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[tearsofash]

Tales of Destiny has one of the better looking remakes going from:

I want stuff like this to count. The obvious 16-bit games on a 32-bit system like Arc the Lad and this would look great touched up.

I don't have to have everything in 3D like Bionic Commando Rearmed, but I'd much prefer a touched up 2D version of a 16-bit game. I'd love to see something like Lunar or Phantasy Star IV touched up, but it would be awful if they added CGI cutscenes or something.

 

[Augemitbutter]

i will always buy any good remake, but please always include the original game properly emulated.

 

[jett]

Not like HDR. More like Sonic CD or Third Strike Online Edition.

Those aren't HD remasters at all.

 

[Retro_]

You don't simply "update" the original art. You throw it out the window and make it again. There's a ton of room for error. There's also no guarantee that any given 2D game can look better in higher resolutions.

Honestly?


No.

And here is why - the jump from 2D to 3D is too large. I feel like a lot of games (such as metroid prime or even FFVI) would suffer from high resolution graphics. It would be too different, alienating those gamers who fell in love with the games to begin with.

The difference - just sharpening up last generation games a bit and totally changing how a 2D game looks. I wouldn't want that personally.

My thoughts pretty much. I don't think everything needs to be constantly updated with the times. Rereleases are fine to introduce the old to new audiences, but complete graphical overalls aren't necessary or even beneficial for most 2D games

If every old 2D fighter could look like KOFXII/XIII, then I'd be set for life.

I'm aware of the UM updates. Not my cup of tea.

I'm the opposite I'm hoping SNK continues to develop the UM series alongside HD KoF

Chunky pixels look so good to me

and they have such a huge library of character sprites they've developed for over a decade I'd hate to see it just disappear

 

[Dion Blaster]

Just make new games in this style. Imagine a side scrolling Metroid with Prime-esque visuals and lighting

 

[Bomber Bob]

would buy, but.. no hideous graphics please

 

[Ramblin]

Road Rash

 

[whalleywhat]

I'll take 16-bit remakes of HD games.

 

[MattKeil]

Anything from this thread basically http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346377&highlight=orioto

Yes.

Any amount of fucking money you want to charge me. Seriously.

 

[TheFightingFish]

Honestly I'd much more just prefer a service that would provide a way to legally purchase original ROM dumps of 8 and 16-bit era home and arcade games. A total pipe dream I know, but I want something more like GOG for old console and arcade games. HD remixes can just be so hit or miss for me, they are always tied to a specific system / service and the price is pretty much never right. Just give me an easy and convenient legal way to purchase the originals and I would be tickled pink, I'd me on MAME like 24/7, never going to happen though.

 

[Anth0ny]

Those aren't HD remasters at all.

They're remastered for HD consoles.

Unless HD Remasters=butchered art style changes like in TMNT and HDR. If so, I don't want them at all. Keep the sprites, give the games the Sonic CD treatment.

 

[plagiarize]

wait, Orioto, Another World already had a really good HD remaster.

http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/another_world_15th_anniversary_edition

obviously that's helped by the fact that the original was essentially using polygons to do vector graphics. there's a 20th anniversary edition on iPad too, though i haven't seen that one myself.

 

[Cameron122]

Less this

More this

With "modern" bells and whistles of course.

 

[FlashFlooder]

Castlevania 3 being a perfect example. If this happened I'd be willing pay.

exactly the game that came to mind.

 

[ScOULaris]

Less this

More this

With "modern" bells and whistles of course.

Ugh. Please, god, no. You are among a very small minority that actually likes classic 2D games being remade in polygons.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Less this

More this

With "modern" bells and whistles of course.

What's wrong with the upper pic? The lower one just looks butt ugly to me.

 

[TheExodu5]

Final Fantasy VI...absolutely. But bring Amano back in to oversee the art.

 

[TAJ]

With a last-gen game, you can run a straight port at a higher screen resolution.
Remakes of 16-bit games actually cost money, so don't expect to see a lot of them.

 

[beril]

Honestly I'd much more just prefer a service that would provide a way to legally purchase original ROM dumps of 8 and 16-bit era home and arcade games. A total pipe dream I know, but I want something more like GOG for old console and arcade games. HD remixes can just be so hit or miss for me, they are always tied to a specific system / service and the price is pretty much never right. Just give me an easy and convenient legal way to purchase the originals and I would be tickled pink, I'd me on MAME like 24/7, never going to happen though.

Ever heard of Virtual Console?

 

[ScOULaris]

Ever heard of Virtual Console?

One and done.

 

[kuroshiki]

The one game I came here to post.

We're now brothers for life, on the Streets.... ...of Rage.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Of 2D games that have been remade with fancier graphics, are there any that are really faithful? By this I mean that you could look at the old and believe that it's a downsized and color-starved version of the new? I guess there's the iOS Phoenix Wright, since that goes back to the source material.

 

[RedSwirl]

Ever heard of Virtual Console?

Let's just hope Nintendo get's Virtual Console games running in 1080p on the Wii-U.

 

[eXistor]

The original pixel art looks so much better than any of the stuff posted here imo.

 

[CadetMahoney]

streets of rage pic - her arm looks super skinny. picture ruined.

 

[beril]

megamanX ios
Less this


megamanX PSP
More this

With "modern" bells and whistles of course.

I have to agree with this. The iphone picture just looks cheap.

Trying to recapture the look of a low res pixelart game in a higher resolution/more colors almost never works. One option is to go for more artistic hand drawn look, but that's just as big of a change as going 3d, if not bigger.

Also high res 2d in general is hard to make look good. A lot of the time it looks really static and really flat. Having at least a bit of 3D instead of just lots of flat paralax layers can help.

 

[luka]

Absolutely not. I'd much rather have the original low-res pixel art lovingly ported with a multitude of optional scaling/filtering options. Unless you're doing a full reimagining, new teams should not be allowed to fuck with the artistic direction of someone else's work.

Less HD Remix, more Sega Ages 2500 please.

 

[abasm]

Ugh. Please, god, no. You are among a very small minority that actually likes classic 2D games being remade in polygons.

Really? I rather like 3D conversions--they're infinitely scalable, both in resolution and framerate. Raster-based 2D games are problematic--as display standards change, their flaws become more apparent, or new flaws are introduced. (The thread regarding retro consoles and HDTVs comes to mind.)

Vector-based 2D games, on the other hand, are scalable in resolution. Tweened animation can be scaled by framerate, too. This type of art tends to get a bad rap because of the proliferation of shitty flash animation, but it can look gorgeous if done properly.

Despite all this, though, I know most people prefer the economy of the original art style. I'd be happy if more retro HD ports were done like the recent Sonic CD release--an expanded viewport, a better framerate, comprehensive filtering and sound options (scanlines, pretty please), and all of the best features of every release of the game (plus some new ones besides.) Instead of a full remake, a "definitive" release of the original would suffice.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I want this on Wii U:

Or this

Anything from this thread basically http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346377&highlight=orioto

God why are you doing this to me! This is all that I want. So. SOOOO WANT. I'd pay $500 for the Wii U if this is the art style that was used. But alas, instead we'll get 'realism'.

 

[LuchaShaq]

5 bucks or less for anything earlier than ps2/xbox era
10 bucks for last gen.

40$ for N64 games with 3d?/Ps2 games for 20-30? Would rather light the money on fire.

 

[aggro crag]

If this started happening more often. I'd like to see the option to switch between new and old graphics on the fly, similar to what Monkey Island and Halo Anniversary do.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Only if the HD remaster is done with polygons and not pixels that make it look like a flash game.

 

[donarumo]

I'd buy a high-def Rygar or Goonies II.

 

[orioto]

Just a quick post to say that, even if i dumbly called those pictures "remakes", they're more meant to be a new iteration than anything else.

And glory to pixel art and original graphics! It's nice to imagine how old things could look to see what could be done now, more than how those particular game should look now. They have to stay what they were!

 

[ULTROS!]

The best 16-bit remaster for me is Sonic CD HD style/quality:

I hope Secret of Mana gets the same treatment with trophies/achievements.

 

[lethial]

No. I played enough of the classics when they came out. I have no desire to revisit them - even with a fresh coat of paint.

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

I'd buy a high-def Rygar or Goonies II.

Ok, you're automatically one of my favorite posters on GAF. Yes, Goonies II and Rygar; two of my favorite games of all time.

 

[KillGore]

Remake this please

 

[Baller. PhD]

Fuck yes I would buy them. You people who are blinded by nostalgia are completely crazy. Updating the visuals makes older games a lot more enjoyable in this day and age. SF2HDR was fucking awesome. Monkey Island remakes were fucking awesome.

Chrono Trigger, Zelda: LTTP, Super Metroid etc. remakes would be fucking awesome.

 

[whalleywhat]

So many terrible ideas itt.

 

[Dark Octave]

Absolutely.

As long as it's hand drawn art and not polygons that replace sprites.

This is where I stand as well.

They do it because it's a cheap and easy way to animate and most of the time it shows.

 

[Odrion]

Less this

More this

With "modern" bells and whistles of course.

That PSP remake was god awful.

The kind of HD Remaster I want is something like Sonic CD. Improve the resolution, framerate, and put some thought into the pixel filter. No new assets, because you're just going to hire some jagoffs with half the talent the original designers had, and your new "redone" graphics are going to look more like Street Fighter Turbohgodwhy HD than Rayman Origins.

also 2D games will never, ever look like this

. It's like saying you would love a DBZ Fighting game to look like this

.

 

[TheJollyCorner]

Final Fantasy VI...absolutely. But bring Amano back in to oversee the art.

co-signed.

 

[RurouniZel]

They're remastered for HD consoles.

Unless HD Remasters=butchered art style changes like in TMNT and HDR. If so, I don't want them at all. Keep the sprites, give the games the Sonic CD treatment.

Damn skippy! If they were like Sonic CD, I'd buy 'me all!

 

[orioto]

also 2D games will never, ever look like this

. It's like saying you would love a DBZ Fighting game to look like this

.

Hm, i don't really see why.. Vanillaware games looks a lot better than my art... Rayman origins to... You're tricked by fancy colors and stuffs but you know i did it, i know it's lots of copy and paste

 

[GreggTheGrimReaper]

If they ever make an Orioto Entertainment System consisting exclusively of 16Bit-remakes done with Orioto's art I will pay big bucks for it.

Also check out the remakes of Toki and Joe & Mac by french developer Golgoth Studio:

Toki:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOvJnQjDoXY

pure gameplay video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owQg9CRJgN0

Joe & Mac:
http://golgothstudio.com/devblog/category/joe-mac/

 

[FrontalMonk]

Final Fantasy VI...absolutely. But bring Amano back in to oversee the art.

Honestly rather than an HD remaster, I'd like to see FFVI redone in the style of the FFIV Complete for PSP. Would pay $60 for this on XBLA.

 

[Kokonoe]

Sonic 3/Sonic & Knuckles
Super Mario World
Zelda A Link to the Past
Mega Man X (I know the PSP version, but i'd like an HD version)
Super Castlevania IV

 

[Odrion]

Hm, i don't really see why.. Vanillaware games looks a lot better than my art... Rayman origins to...

Rayman Origins looks great, but a screenshot on Rayman Origins still looks like a game. What you make are explicitly pictures. There's no way I could see anything that looks like what you make animate and interact with other objects cohesively.

And pfft, what you make looks a thousand times better than any screenshot of Vanillaware's games or Rayman. That's their appeal, and it's why I find your art great, but frustrating. They're so pretty, yet unattainable! Like some gamer version of space colonization.

 

[CerebralTiger]

I'd buy remakes for Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, Sonic the hedgehog, Streets of Rage series, Golden Axe, Castlevania.

Also, a remake for Flashback would be like a dream come true.