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yacobod 05-04-2012 11:56 PM

UFC-GAF Presents The Ultimate on Fox 3 Official Thread - 209 ERA Redux
 
[IMG]http://www.tapology.com/system/poster_images/12189/profile/UFC-on-Fox-3-Diaz-Miller-poster.jpg[/IMG]

[B][U]When[/U][/B]:
Saturday May 5, 2012
The Main Card will be on FOX at 7 p.m. Central Time
The Preliminary Card will be on Fuel TV at 4 p.m. Central Time
[spoiler]Fuck East Coast and West Coast Times[/spoiler]


[B]Why you should watch[/B]:
Nate Diaz returned to the lightweight division after an unsuccessful stint at welterweight and has rattled off two consecutive wins over PrideFC legend Takanori Gomi and WEC favorite Donald "Cowboy" Cerrone.
Diaz will be facing a top 10 lightweight in Jim Miller and will have a lot to prove in the fight. Can he avoid being taken down and held down by Miller? If he's taken down, can he get up to avoid the wrestlefucking?
Nate Diaz has a very crowd pleasing style employing the Stockton Slap to great effect combined with his fantastic submission game. Most fighters are afraid to take him down, but Jim Miller possess good wrestling and BJJ to avoid Nate's submissions.
Dana White has promised young Nate Diaz the next title shot if he defeats Jim Miller. Joe Silva had to remind Dana that they already promised Showtime Pettis the next title shot, so it remains to be seen what the significance of this fight will be.
Frank Edgar and Benson Henderson have to complete fights 2 and 3 of their trilogy before we can move forward in the lightweight division.

Don't be scared homie!

[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0JjIiWJ_iXc/Tv6YwecTTJI/AAAAAAAAG6M/cS8N8_TQ5l0/s1600/5.gif[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z66/McFaake/diazpellegrino.gif[/IMG]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=grfFc_J8O7A"]Diaz and Miller Weigh-in Video[/URL]

[B][U]THE CARD[/U][/B]

[B]Preliminary card (Facebook)[/B]
Middleweight bout: Mike Massenzio vs. Karlos Vemola
Bantamweight bout: Roland Delorme vs. Nick Denis

[B]Preliminary card (Fuel TV)[/B]
Featherweight bout: Dennis Bermudez vs. Pablo Garza
Lightweight bout: Danny Castillo vs. John Cholish
Flyweight bout: Louis Gaudinot vs. John Lineker
Welterweight bout: John Hathaway vs. Pascal Krauss
Flyweight bout: John Dodson vs. Tim Elliott
Lightweight bout: Tony Ferguson vs. Michael Johnson

[B][U]Main card[/U][/B]
Heavyweight bout: Pat Barry vs. Lavar Johnson
Middleweight bout: Rousimar Palhares vs. Alan Belcher
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs. Johny Hendricks
Lightweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. Jim Miller


[B][U]Gambling Odds[/U][/B]:

[B]UFC on FOX 3 Odds For The Main Card[/B]:
Pat Barry (-200) vs. Lavar Johnson (+160)
Rousimar Palhares (-285) vs. Alan Belcher (+225)
Johny Hendricks (-130) vs. Josh Koscheck (EVEN)
Jim Miller (-230) vs. Nate Diaz (+180)

[B]UFC on FOX 3 Odds For The Under Card[/B]:
Nick Denis (-275) vs. Roland Delorme (+215)
Danny Castillo (-130) vs. John Cholish (EVEN)
Karlos Vemola (-120) vs. Mike Massenzio (-110)
John Dodson (-500) vs. Timothy Elliott (+350)
John Lineker (-325) vs. Louis Gaudinot (+250)
John Hathaway (-230) vs. Pascal Krauss (+180)
Dennis Bermudez (-185) vs. Pablo Garza (+150)
Tony Ferguson (-270) vs. Michael Johnson (+210)


[B][U]Community[/U][/B]:
[URL="http://cbe004.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=#MMA-GAF"]Official UFC-GAF Chat Room[/URL]
Server - irc.mibbit.net
Channel - #MMA-GAF



[B]Does Dana "Fucking" White Hate the fans?[/B]

Exhibit 1:
[IMG]http://mma.actionsportshub.com/uploads/blogs/ufc%20on%20fox.jpg[/IMG]

Compared to Exhibit 2:
[IMG]http://cache.bjpenn.com/mmanews/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/UFC-on-Fox-Poster-NEW.jpg[/IMG]

Compared to fucking Exhibit 3:
[IMG]http://www.tapology.com/system/poster_images/12189/profile/UFC-on-Fox-3-Diaz-Miller-poster.jpg[/IMG]

I'd have to say the answer is emphatically YES. It should come as no surprise however because the pay-per-view Ultimate cards are just as diluted. Dana White doesn't give a damn about any of you fans.

ENJOY (:

Centurion 05-04-2012 11:59 PM

this fox card is actually as decent as some of the recent ppvs.

alr1ght 05-05-2012 12:02 AM

Looks like The Rock is fighting Pat Barry. Hopefully Palhares takes home Johnny Cash's leg.

parrotbeak 05-05-2012 12:03 AM

This looks way better than the previous Fox card. But yes, UFC doesn't seem to know what to do with their outlet into the mainstream.

SUPREME1 05-05-2012 12:03 AM

Dana is laughing all the way to the bank.


Koschek vs. Hendricks should be interesting, right?

Heel 05-05-2012 12:05 AM

Uncle Dana thinks he can build new PPV stars by marketing mid carders as main eventers on primetime television. I can't blame him for trying, but Jim Miller will never be a draw.

SUPREME1 05-05-2012 12:06 AM

[QUOTE=parrotbeak;37566971]This looks way better than the previous Fox card. But yes, UFC doesn't seem to know what to do with their outlet into the mainstream.[/QUOTE]


Oh they know what to do, they just don't want to do it. They'd rather save it for PPVs.

Centurion 05-05-2012 12:06 AM

If UFC is really getting 90 million a year from Fox, you'd think they'd try a little harder to get bigger names on the cards. They wanna do just enough to draw in fans, while leaving their stars for the ppvs.

bone_and_sinew 05-05-2012 12:18 AM

Uncle Dana still defends the decision to not have Hendo-Shogun on FOX.

parrotbeak 05-05-2012 12:18 AM

[QUOTE=Heel;37567017]Uncle Dana thinks he can build new PPV stars by marketing mid carders as main eventers on primetime television. I can't blame him for trying, but Jim Miller will never be a draw.[/QUOTE]
Even with his sick nephew t-shirt campaign and random fans walking out with him?

Heel 05-05-2012 12:21 AM

[QUOTE=parrotbeak;37567305]Even with his sick nephew t-shirt campaign and random fans walking out with him?[/QUOTE]

#HISFIGHTSDONTMATTER

polyh3dron 05-05-2012 12:33 AM

[IMG]http://www.mmajones.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/PalharesWithLeg2.png[/IMG]

ItAintEasyBeinCheesy 05-05-2012 12:44 AM

They do it all the time. Like UFC in Aus, first we got a numbered event then we got..... I dunno, Mighty Mouse. They hook you, gain your trust and then fuck you in the ass with a Koschek shaped toilet brush and take your money.

Still a decent card and will probably have better fights then the other 2. ..

Chamber 05-05-2012 12:47 AM

[QUOTE=bone_and_sinew;37567290]Uncle Dana still defends the decision to not have Hendo-Shogun on FOX.[/QUOTE]

Too brutal for the mainstream, brah! They're not ready!

Heel 05-05-2012 12:52 AM

Will Jake be cornering Nate? Hoping that Mayhem swoops in from the rafters like Sting with another primetime television rematch request.

bone_and_sinew 05-05-2012 12:55 AM

[QUOTE=polyh3dron;37567613][IMG]http://www.mmajones.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/PalharesWithLeg2.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]Photoshop Belcher's [strike]Kim Jong Il[/strike] Johnny Cash tattoo on it.

yacobod 05-05-2012 01:33 AM

[quote=Nate Diaz]"That was actually the main reason I wanted to go train," he said. "I didnít have any money. At home we didnít have s--t. I was starving all day. So if I went to train Iíd get something to eat. Sometimes Iíd be sitting at home and it was like, well, if I go train with Nick Iíll get something to eat afterwards. If I donít Iíll just sit here and be hungry. ...I was going for burritos and dinner, and hey, I wanted dinner every day. Before I knew it I was a blue belt."[/quote]

Article on Nate Diaz growing up in the shadow of his brother and in the 209. Pretty decent read [URL="http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/5/4/2998733/a-tale-of-two-diaz-brothers"]here[/URL].

AstroLad 05-05-2012 05:35 AM

I think this card is really good in terms of entertainment value for MMA fans. I've totally come to accept that Dana will never figure out how to attract mainstream fans, so the whole thing about not having name fighters on the card doesn't even bother me anymore. I'll take this set of fights over the previous two Fox cards any day.

Community Forum 05-05-2012 05:40 AM

Will watch. My first exposure to UFC was via the free UFC PPV betas from Xbox Live, which I am eternally grateful for. However, they failed to sell me on shelling out the rediculous amount of money they want for a PPV. So at this point the only amount of money UFC is getting from me is via a +1 attendance record at a random bar with some friends of mine, or a +1 Nielsen rating or from whatever product I purchase because I saw it advertised on Fox.

Not hating, just telling the truth from a UFC newbie.

gatisimo 05-05-2012 05:41 AM

Strong under card with an entertaining set of fights on FOX as well. Hyped.

polyh3dron 05-05-2012 05:44 AM

[QUOTE=bone_and_sinew;37568111]Photoshop Belcher's [strike]Kim Jong Il[/strike] Johnny Cash tattoo on it.[/QUOTE]
But then it would be a photoshopped picture. I choose to preserve its authenticity.

polyh3dron 05-05-2012 05:47 AM

[QUOTE=alr1ghtstart;37566938]Looks like The Rock is fighting Pat Barry. Hopefully Palhares takes home Johnny Cash's leg.[/QUOTE]
Lol he even has the same last name, never thought of that.

TheKaeptain 05-05-2012 05:49 AM

War Diaz!

AstroLad 05-05-2012 05:51 AM

diaz-miller is an awesome matchup. miller might be one of the few guys tough enough to hang with and not get frustrated by diaz and his fights are almost always entertaining.

koscheck-hendricks i feel like is a good matchup. i guess that really hinges on hendricks power and tdd though.

barry-johnson is so damn good. smart of ufc to actually keep johnson relevant for one more entertaining fight.

palhares-belcher is the only one i'm not sure about. i just don't see how belcher has a chance. but palhares is nuts so even that one's interesting anything could happen etc.

Trigger 05-05-2012 06:11 AM

I'm excited to see Diaz and Palhares. I've never been bored with either.

parrotbeak 05-05-2012 08:32 AM

[QUOTE=AstroLad;37574498]diaz-miller is an awesome matchup. miller might be one of the few guys tough enough to hang with and not get frustrated by diaz and his fights are almost always entertaining.

koscheck-hendricks i feel like is a good matchup. i guess that really hinges on hendricks power and tdd though.

barry-johnson is so damn good. smart of ufc to actually keep johnson relevant for one more entertaining fight.

palhares-belcher is the only one i'm not sure about. i just don't see how belcher has a chance. but palhares is nuts so even that one's interesting anything could happen etc.[/QUOTE]
Ya, I pretty much agree with this assessment. I think Miller is more exciting than people remember. His name, lack of personality and fact that he's a wrestler makes people not like him, but he's got a lot of finishes.

But of course, Diaz is why I want to watch. If it were Miller vs say Edgar or Guida, I'd be less than enthused.

AwesomeSauce 05-05-2012 10:12 AM

I want to see Whosimar Paul Harris stun Belcher with a punch and before the fight is called, run up to the fence and celebrate ala the Dan Miller fight.

Heel 05-05-2012 06:42 PM

Facebook prelims start at 1:00 PM BCT.

polyh3dron 05-05-2012 06:47 PM

Got my Avengers tickets changed to 1:00 BCT so I'll just miss the Facebook prelims and a couple of the Fuel fights. I'll just stream the Denis fight later in the day. Hyped for the main card though it should be great.

BigKaboom2 05-05-2012 08:21 PM

Barry at -200 is bizarre. I only see him winning if he goes crazy with leg kicks, or drilled some specific submission a million times and takes it to the ground.

Heel 05-05-2012 08:33 PM

[QUOTE=BigKaboom2;37587020]Barry at -200 is bizarre. I only see him winning if he goes crazy with leg kicks, or drilled some specific submission a million times and takes it to the ground.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I have Lavar in that one.

op_ivy 05-05-2012 09:05 PM

Middleweight bout: [b]Mike Massenzio[/b] vs. Karlos Vemola
Bantamweight bout: [b]Roland Delorme[/b] vs. Nick Denis
Featherweight bout: Dennis Bermudez vs. [b]Pablo Garza[/b]
Lightweight bout: [b]Danny Castillo[/b] vs. John Cholish
Flyweight bout: Louis Gaudinot vs. [b]John Lineker[/b]
Welterweight bout: [b]John Hathaway[/b] vs. Pascal Krauss
Flyweight bout: [b]John Dodson[/b] vs. Tim Elliott
Lightweight bout: [b]Tony Ferguson[/b] vs. Michael Johnson
Heavyweight bout: Pat Barry vs. [b]Lavar Johnson[/b]
Middleweight bout: [b]Rousimar Palhares[/b] vs. Alan Belcher
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs. [b]Johny Hendricks[/b]
Lightweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. [b]Jim Miller[/b]


not the best card, but watching 209 get wrecked should be fun.

Eric Hall 05-05-2012 09:17 PM

Preliminary card (Facebook)
Middleweight bout: [B]Mike Massenzio[/B] vs. Karlos Vemola
Bantamweight bout: Roland Delorme vs. [B]Nick Denis[/B]

Preliminary card (Fuel TV)
Featherweight bout: Dennis Bermudez vs. [B]Pablo Garza[/B]
Lightweight bout: [B]Danny Castillo[/B] vs. John Cholish
Flyweight bout: Louis Gaudinot vs.[B] John Lineker[/B]
Welterweight bout: [B]John Hathaway[/B] vs. Pascal Krauss
Flyweight bout: [B]John Dodson[/B] vs. Tim Elliott
Lightweight bout: [B]Tony Ferguson[/B] vs. Michael Johnson

Main card
Heavyweight bout: Pat Barry vs.[B] Lavar Johnson[/B]
Middleweight bout: [B]Rousimar Palhare[/B]s vs. Alan Belcher
Welterweight bout: Josh Koscheck vs. [B]Johny Hendricks[/B]
Lightweight bout: Nate Diaz vs. [B]Jim Miller[/B]

This will be way better than the other two Fox cards, not like that is saying that much though. I also expect Miller/Diaz to be pretty close, but Miller gonna get that hometown favoritism and take the match haha

VASPER 05-05-2012 09:23 PM

Damn both Diaz brothers are such thug headed fighters in general, and their stair downs are like a street fight in the making.

op_ivy 05-05-2012 10:38 PM

holy shit delorme! awesome fight

Dysun 05-05-2012 10:43 PM

I just hope Miller doesn't do a 5 round grindfest, the card is ok if you discount that as a possibility

TheChits 05-05-2012 10:44 PM

[QUOTE=op_ivy;37590015]holy shit delorme! awesome fight[/QUOTE]

Yeah good lord that guy has an insane chin

Unidentified 05-05-2012 10:47 PM

That was a great fight. Overall, seems like a great card in terms of matchmaking (and big improvement over the last Fox card), though I can see some of the main card fights turning out average.

yacobod 05-05-2012 11:05 PM

this is starting soon right?

op_ivy 05-05-2012 11:09 PM

[QUOTE=yacobod;37590620]this is starting soon right?[/QUOTE]

fuel prelims are starting now. facebook fights already finished (both ended quickly, would be shocked if delorme's isnt re-aired)

AwesomeSauce 05-05-2012 11:39 PM

Hi UFC-GAF

Join us in out friendly UFC chat!

[url]http://cbe004.chat.mibbit.com/?channel=#MMA-GAF[/url]

op_ivy 05-05-2012 11:39 PM

why make a thread if all the discussion is on irc?

SyNapSe 05-05-2012 11:40 PM

I couldn't find Fuel :( I might have it in non-hd but I'm not looking there or watching.

yacobod 05-06-2012 12:04 AM

[QUOTE=op_ivy;37591356]why make a thread if all the discussion is on irc?[/QUOTE]

tradition, and chat rarely if ever has actual mma discussion.

TheKaeptain 05-06-2012 12:25 AM

When does the main card start?

TheChits 05-06-2012 12:26 AM

8:00 p.m. est I do believe

Ninja Scooter 05-06-2012 12:26 AM

[QUOTE=op_ivy;37591356]why make a thread if all the discussion is on irc?[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://www.greatwhatsit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/denzel.jpg[/IMG]

op_ivy 05-06-2012 12:32 AM

welp, i'm 2/5 so far.

TheChits 05-06-2012 12:42 AM

[QUOTE=op_ivy;37592447]welp, i'm 2/5 so far.[/QUOTE]

What are your picks for the main card?

op_ivy 05-06-2012 12:54 AM

[url]http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37588010&postcount=32[/url]


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