[QUOTE=kadotsu]4 seconds in google

[url]http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/transferutility.html[/url][/QUOTE]
I already saw that and dismissed it because it deletes all the data on the system you transfer content off of.

[QUOTE=Persona7]I already saw that and dismissed it because it deletes all the data on the system you transfer content off of.[/QUOTE]

Then clone the HDD externally do the data transfer and use the cloned drive on the old PS3. It should be faster than redownloading 20+GB from PSN. Also I can't guarantee that it won't fuck up your licenses etc.

[QUOTE=manzo]Same here. OG 60gb model represent! Will never downgrade to the slim models [B]unless it dies.[/B][/QUOTE]
Welcome to my world :(

£150 or bust now my 60GB died... ¬_¬

[QUOTE=manzo]Same here. OG 60gb model represent! Will never downgrade to the slim models unless it dies.[/QUOTE]

I bought a new slim in order to have a GT5-only console but my 60GB EuroLauncher is still well and alive and would never give it for anything.

If it dies, I will burry it.

My PS2-enriched motherboard will never surrender to those butchers at services.

On board with the rest of you. My 20GB is surprisingly still lasting. Loud as can be though - gets real hot in the back within an hour or so (when playing a game) :(

Sorry to hear that.

It's already dead.

Any idea when these will start showing up in US retailers?

This will probably be the PS3 I pick when it comes to the UK. IIRC, when Sony brought out a revision of the PS3 early last year in Japan, it came to Europe in October.

There better be a price cut accompanying it though. £180 maximum. Like I said before, the price of the PS3 in the UK is just totally out of control.

So no Wireless N support...

[QUOTE=kadotsu]Then clone the HDD externally do the data transfer and use the cloned drive on the old PS3. It should be faster than redownloading 20+GB from PSN. Also I can't guarantee that it won't fuck up your licenses etc.[/QUOTE]

Your cloned drive would be reformatted once you powered the new ps3 on

[QUOTE=max-pain]So no Wireless N support...[/QUOTE]That's a real shame. 360 slims have wireless N, right?

[QUOTE=_dementia]That's a real shame. 360 slims have wireless N, right?[/QUOTE]

The new ones ("slims") have.

Couldn't possibly be another die shrink so soon.

I guess this justifies the recent deals on PS3s. but would have rather seen a price drop instead to justify them.

I'd happily purchase a Slim, despite the fact my "fat" 40GB model is still operating just fine, if there existed a model with 802.11n.

[QUOTE=chubigans]I like my LEDs. Why you take my LEDs Sony? :([/QUOTE]

They were removed due to "security reasons" - they weren't explicitly mentioned as a feature though, so it's okay to remove them. In other news, Sony ninjas will be touring the houses of all phat owners smashing their LEDs with a little tiny Sony ninja hammer.

Not to sound like an apologist, but those flashing led lights were useless anyways. I rarely paid attention to it. It could be replaced with a now saving warning.

[url]http://www.jp.playstation.com/ps3/hardware/cech3000b.html[/url]

Edit: beaten

[QUOTE=max-pain]So no Wireless N support...[/QUOTE]
That would probably get me to upgrade, but alas, no. Kind of a strange omission really for such a multimedia machine.

Doesn't look like it will be coming to Europe any time soon

"Despite the new model, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe’s told VG247 the information released so far was “for Japan only and we have nothing to share at this time” in regards to a European launch."

[url]http://www.vg247.com/2011/06/20/rumour-new-playstation-3-model-inbound[/url]

It will probably come sooner or later, they will slowly deplete the storehouses of the old 320 GB version and then the new ones will start coming.

They never announced revised models with much fanfare around here and that means if you buy a 320 version in November or December, you might already read the 3k series number on the side of the box.

What's the cosmetic update again?

[QUOTE=Barrow Roll]Surely you jest.[/QUOTE]
The launch units are the most quiet of all, before the fans kick in. Literally no noise on my 60gb, and I've compared it to a 65nm 80gb fat and a 45nm slim.

[QUOTE=Kagari]Why? Wii is cheaper than the 3DS...[/QUOTE]

And PS2 was cheaper than PSP in 2005.

[QUOTE=H_Prestige]The launch units are the most quiet of all, before the fans kick in. Literally no noise on my 60gb, and I've compared it to a 65nm 80gb fat and a 45nm slim.[/QUOTE]

My 60GB was getting loud as hell, but I opened it up last week and cleaned the dust out of the fan/heatsink. It's purring nicely now.

Would like a new model. I never tried playing any BD movies in my Slim until this summer and turns out BD movies don't work but BD games do. We've just been watching things on Netflix and the kids use their DVDs. I have a warranty that lasts through January 2013, so I hope I can simply trade for a replacement.

Transferring all the data will be a pain in the butt. At least this new model will be a 320GB instead of the 160GB I have now.

[QUOTE=BitchTits]Of course this happens the week after I just bought one <_<[/QUOTE]

About a month for me. Of course I got the Target $160 gift card deal. And the free PSN stuff. :D All in all, still worth it I think.

My old fat PS3 is still going strong (or at least it seems like it) but if they have some decent deals around Xmas I might get a second unit.

[QUOTE=Massa]Right, but who has the time to catch up on 4 years of games with so many awesome new ones coming out? You're bound to miss a ton of stuff.[/QUOTE]

True and not only that but sometimes games are more enjoyable to play when they come out than when they are played some 4 years later.

Outdated graphics and gameplay systems come to mind, Just sayin.

[QUOTE=theBishop]My 60GB was getting loud as hell, but I opened it up last week and cleaned the dust out of the fan/heatsink. It's purring nicely now.[/QUOTE]
I really want to see if there is dust inside my ps3. I dust off the system very often but it still gets pretty loud after about 15 minutes or so. But opening it up seems like a nightmare.

[QUOTE=jvm]Would like a new model. I never tried playing any BD movies in my Slim until this summer and turns out BD movies don't work but BD games do. We've just been watching things on Netflix and the kids use their DVDs. I have a warranty that lasts through January 2013, so I hope I can simply trade for a replacement.

Transferring all the data will be a pain in the butt. At least this new model will be a 320GB instead of the 160GB I have now.[/QUOTE]

The backup/restore tool on PS3 is pretty useful, and not too complicated. I used it to upgrade the HDD in my 60GB.

Although I'm not sure if you can use it to restore to a different unit entirely.

[QUOTE=H_Prestige]I really want to see if there is dust inside my ps3. I dust off the system very often but it still gets pretty loud after about 15 minutes or so. But opening it up seems like a nightmare.[/QUOTE]

If you've never disassembled a laptop or anything more delicate than a desktop PC, I wouldn't recommend it. But if you've got the right tools and you're careful, it's not too bad. The internal design is nicely modular, so you don't have a bunch of random hinges and springs to forget about.

[QUOTE=offshore]Doesn't look like it will be coming to Europe any time soon

"Despite the new model, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe’s told VG247 the information released so far was “for Japan only and we have nothing to share at this time” in regards to a European launch."

[url]http://www.vg247.com/2011/06/20/rumour-new-playstation-3-model-inbound[/url][/QUOTE]
If Sony just came out and said they were going to release a cooler more reliable PS3 soon it would damage current sales. The story from them will be one of denial until it is out.

Hopefully this new model uses a different fan. I just recently upgraded from a 40 gb fat to a 160 gb slim, and the slim fan is higher pitched and annoying once it's up to speed after a few minutes.

[QUOTE=BKK]The model number CECH3000[B]B[/B] suggests that the 320GB will remain the higher end model. They won't increase HDD if they still have a large stock of the current HDDs.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't really make much sense to me to make a cheaper (to build) model only available for the higher-end SKU.

[QUOTE=Persona7]I already saw that and dismissed it because it deletes all the data on the system you transfer content off of.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't. I used the transfer utility a few months ago. All it deletes is content that's not supposed to be on two systems at once, which boils down to locked saves and videos purchased from the PSN store. The locked saves you can fix with PS+, the video problem can be fixed by finding a better way of purchasing videos. :)

[QUOTE]When you perform this operation, all data that is stored on the PS3™ system that will [B]receive[/B] the data (the "[B]destination system[/B]”) will be deleted.[/QUOTE]

Bring back the card reader and more then 2 USB ports.

[QUOTE=krae_man]Bring back the card reader and more then 2 USB ports.[/QUOTE]
This.

That's the #1 reason why I haven't "upgraded" to a Slim yet.

I almost bought a PS3 CECH-2500A in february, now I think I will wait for this new model to arrive here.

[QUOTE=krae_man]Bring back the card reader and more then 2 USB ports.[/QUOTE]

Not going to happen. You had your chance to get that a long time ago if it was really important to you.

[QUOTE=DiddyBop]This gen specifically shows that it pays to wait a few hrs before jumping in. Not only do new ps3 owners enjoy a much larger hdd and drastically reduced priced compared to launch owners, but they also have an ever growing library of great games from 20-40 bucks.

Sucks to have to sit through hours of patches and installs though.[/QUOTE]
if anything, the ps3 launch system was THE time to jump in if you value BC.
[QUOTE=TheBranca18]Not going to happen. You had your chance to get that a long time ago if it was really important to you.[/QUOTE]
uh some of us had that model and then got ylod.

So, does this thing actually have PS2 back-compatibility?

[URL="http://www.jp.playstation.com/ps3/hardware/cech3000b.html"]jp.playstation.com's spec page[/URL]

The last bullet point when machine-translated through Chrome translates as:

[B]※ This product, "PlayStation 2" are having a compatibility with proprietary software. [/B]

[quote=TheBranca18]Not going to happen. You had your chance to get that a long time ago if it was really important to you.[/quote]

i had that and it died. what i really want is a usb port in the BACK for the pseye.

So will it have the same body or will it be smaller? It seems like it has just slightly different internals.

[QUOTE=Shanks]So will it have the same body or will it be smaller? It seems like it has just slightly different internals.[/QUOTE]

Same dimensions (290 x 65 x 290mm).

[QUOTE=Clear]So, does this thing actually have PS2 back-compatibility?

[URL="http://www.jp.playstation.com/ps3/hardware/cech3000b.html"]jp.playstation.com's spec page[/URL]

The last bullet point when machine-translated through Chrome translates as:

[B]※ This product, "PlayStation 2" are having a compatibility with proprietary software. [/B][/QUOTE]
※This product does not have compatibility with the software for exclusive use of "the PlayStation2".

infoseek i so much better for japan - english translations
[url]http://translation.infoseek.co.jp/[/url]

Thanks.

Can't say I'm surprised, but I am a bit disappointed that Google's auto-translate managed to get precisely the reverse meaning of that particular sentence.

[QUOTE=dwebo]Nothing, hopefully, assuming the leds refer to those annoying blinking wifi/hdd lights.[/QUOTE]

I like the WiFi light. It lets me switch to watching TV without having to constantly check on download progress.

[QUOTE=M.D]Is Nintendo hardware generally considered more reliable?[/QUOTE]

My Wii died a month after launch :( That was the reason I joined GAF, actually.

[QUOTE=H_Prestige]I really want to see if there is dust inside my ps3. I dust off the system very often but it still gets pretty loud after about 15 minutes or so. But opening it up seems like a nightmare.[/QUOTE]

I was expecting my phat to be super dusty after having to be in close quarters with three cats for years. There was really hardly any dust though. Most of it was on the outside around the USB ports and card slots which are easily cleaned.

[QUOTE=S. L.]※This product does not have compatibility with the software for exclusive use of "the PlayStation2".

infoseek i so much better for japan - english translations
[url]http://translation.infoseek.co.jp/[/url][/QUOTE]
Practically every other translation service has more-or-less the right meaning for that sentence -- [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17563997/translation_aggregator.png]except google[/url].

Sigh. I guess it's finally time to give up on the dream of getting a new PS3 with hardware BC.

[QUOTE=TxdoHawk]Sigh. I guess it's finally time to give up on the dream of getting a new PS3 with hardware BC.[/QUOTE]

With PS2 HD collections being all the rage, it's pretty much guaranteed that PS3 BC is not going to happen.

I'll probably replace my launch 60GB with this one... I fucking hate that the quality of your PS3 was based on luck of the draw. I got one manufactured in China or whatever the bad place is, and it's so goddamn loud. As in, it tends to drowns out a lot of the dialogue when I'm watching a Blu-Ray. It's astounding, really.

Of course, I don't even use the PS3 for BDs anymore and there's nothing I'm interested in playing for... the foreseeable future, so I guess I really don't have to nab the newer model for a while still.

[QUOTE=-Winnie-]With PS2 HD collections being all the rage, it's pretty much guaranteed that PS3 BC is not going to happen.[/QUOTE]

It really doesn't bother me personally. I bought the PS3 to play PS3 games, not games I've played before. Sure it would be nice but it's also very nice to see my favorite PS2 games get upscaled graphically and released onto one package.

[QUOTE=TxdoHawk]Sigh. I guess it's finally time to give up on the dream of getting a new PS3 with hardware BC.[/QUOTE]

Software b/c by PS4, lolz.

[QUOTE=Kagari]Software b/c by PS4, lolz.[/QUOTE]
As long as they keep releasing HD collections of popular old Games I wont miss my 60gig as much :(

[QUOTE=chubigans]I like my LEDs. Why you take my LEDs Sony? :([/QUOTE]

I think this might be a translation typo or something, I don't see the value in not having these. Still I think the main thing I am wondering is if they have finally engineered out the plastic case expansion pop/cracking noise when the system heats up and cools down. Also I would happily buy another if they would just give me the white one.

[QUOTE=krae_man]Bring back the card reader and more then 2 USB ports.[/QUOTE]

They need to add a USB in the back and 802.11n.

[QUOTE=Chacranajxy]I'll probably replace my launch 60GB with this one... I fucking hate that the quality of your PS3 was based on luck of the draw. I got one manufactured in China or whatever the bad place is, and it's so goddamn loud. As in, it tends to drowns out a lot of the dialogue when I'm watching a Blu-Ray. It's astounding, really.

Of course, I don't even use the PS3 for BDs anymore and there's nothing I'm interested in playing for... the foreseeable future, so I guess I really don't have to nab the newer model for a while still.[/QUOTE]

Keep an eye on deals for the PS3 and you may even make a small profit when trading yours for a new slim.

if theres one improvement they can make, please have some usb ports at the back. that way, my camera doesnt take a space up front lol.

I 80 gig repaired died in 3 weeks >.>, thats it, im buying a slim, but after this news I will have to wait. This means not playing any new games coming out until....whenever.....

[QUOTE=soundscream]As long as they keep releasing HD collections of popular old Games I wont miss my 60gig as much :([/QUOTE]

Yeaaah they're going to have to be at it for a loooong while until they've made HD collections of every good game from the PS2 library. ( i.e never gonna happen ).

I'm hereby proclaiming that backwards compatibility is going to be what makes or breaks the next-gen for me personally. The playstation brand would be, again for me , soo much more worth if ps4 could play ps1-3 games aswell. I cannot even imagine how much I would want that feature.

So is this new model going to be $200?

[QUOTE=OldJadedGamer]They need to add a USB in the back and 802.11n.[/QUOTE]

Essentially these are the only things, save HW failure, that will get me to upgrade to a slim. My 750GB (non-BC) Phat continues to run flawlessly and silently.
I need a functional improvement before I move and fully expected it to come in the next HW revision. I'll keep waiting.

[QUOTE=Oyashiro]So is this new model going to be $200?[/QUOTE]

the OP says same price (for now)

[QUOTE=Corky]Yeaaah they're going to have to be at it for a loooong while until they've made HD collections of every good game from the PS2 library. ( i.e never gonna happen ).

I'm hereby proclaiming that backwards compatibility is going to be what makes or breaks the next-gen for me personally. The playstation brand would be, again for me , soo much more worth if ps4 could play ps1-3 games aswell. I cannot even imagine how much I would want that feature.[/QUOTE]

For PS4, PS1 bc is a given (the store is not going to just wipe all those titles) and I feel the same for PS3 since PS4 will likely still have trophy data for games. Though I really just don't know if they will bother with PS2 for PS4, kind of like how WiiU doesn't play Gamecube.

I wonder how long it will take to see some better pictures of this revision though, I want to see if the casing changed at all.

[QUOTE=Chittagong]Goddammit Sony, now we still won't know who will win the generation. First it was 360 leading with a huge margin, then BOOM Wii out of nowhere to the lead, Sony dropping last, then [B]360 back to the lead with Kinect[/B], Wii to last place, 360 heading for the win for good but now Sony re-emerges with staying power and superb value with cheap PS3

Most confusing generation ever[/QUOTE]

lol what

[spoiler]As far as software, Sony's been in the "lead" since 2009.[/spoiler]

[QUOTE=Yoshiya]Couldn't possibly be another die shrink so soon.[/QUOTE]

It really isn't too soon;

2007/10: CECHG - 65nm Cell
2009/08: CECH2000 - 45nm Cell
2011/06: CECH3000 - 32nm Cell?

PSU rating and weight is reduced by 13%, the only logical way they achieved that is with a die shrink.

[QUOTE=Zombie James]It doesn't really make much sense to me to make a cheaper (to build) model only available for the higher-end SKU.[/QUOTE]

CECH2000A = 120GB
CECH2000B = 250GB

CECH2100A = 120GB
CECH2100B = 250GB

CECH2500A = 160GB
CECH2500B = 320GB

CECH3000A = ???GB
CECH3000B = 320GB

If they release a 500GB model it will most likely be model number CECH3100B. It's possible CECH3000B never gets released outside of Japan, and they are just getting rid of their remaining 320GB HDDs with this revision. There's precedence for this before with the semi-backwards compatible PS3 initially released in Europe as CECHC with the old 60GB HDDs, and later released worldwide as CECHE with the new 80GB HDD.

Also, going by Sony's PS3 sales forecast for this fiscal year they only expect a slight increase in sales, so a $100 price cut seems unlikely. A $50 price cut would seem likelier.

[QUOTE=BKK]It really isn't too soon;

2007/10: CECHG - 65nm Cell
2009/08: CECH2000 - 45nm Cell
2011/06: CECH3000 - 32nm Cell?

PSU rating and weight is reduced by 13%, the only logical way they achieved that is with a die shrink.[/QUOTE]

What process is RSX on now?

[QUOTE=Zombie James]What process is RSX on now?[/QUOTE]

40nm.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_hardware[/url]

Incidentally RSX die shrinks have typically trailed Cell die shrinks by quite some time, which is why I suspect a Cell die shrink rather than an RSX one.

[QUOTE=BocoDragon]Mine is whisper quiet. I just turned it on to confirm. I think loud launch PS3s are dying/defective. Yes, our standards for what "whisper quiet" means have gone up over the various revisions of 360/PS3 (went from "noiseless" to "motherfucking noiseless"), but the launch PS3 is an amazingly quiet machine. I often forget its on until I notice the blue/green LEDs.[/QUOTE]
The fan on my old 60GB would turn on after like 10 minutes of doing anything and would just continue to get louder and louder. Watching a Blu-ray with the hum of a fan in the background really ruins quiet scenes.

[QUOTE=H_Prestige]The launch units are the most quiet of all, [B]before the fans kick in.[/B] Literally no noise on my 60gb, and I've compared it to a 65nm 80gb fat and a 45nm slim.[/QUOTE]
Again, the fan on mine kicked in far too quickly. It was really annoying.

And now it's dead so I'm pretty bitter.

can we expect a price drop from this? Don't want to buy right now if it's going to be cheaper

[QUOTE=Barrow Roll]The fan on my old 60GB would turn on after like 10 minutes of doing anything and would just continue to get louder and louder. Watching a Blu-ray with the hum of a fan in the background really ruins quiet scenes.


Again, the fan on mine kicked in far too quickly. It was really annoying.

And now it's dead so I'm pretty bitter.[/QUOTE]

The fan on my 80GB would do the same. Seeing as how it was our only Blu-ray player we put up with it, but it did get annoying. The fan would also kick up when watching something off the HDD. Are the Slims really quiet in this regard? I keep reading they stay quiet but I also heard the same thing when I got my phat model.

[QUOTE=sestrugen]can we expect a price drop from this? Don't want to buy right now if it's going to be cheaper[/QUOTE]
it's definitely going to be cheaper than $299. it's been $299 for sooooo long.

[QUOTE=TheBanditKing]For PS4, PS1 bc is a given (the store is not going to just wipe all those titles) and I feel the same for PS3 since PS4 will likely still have trophy data for games. Though I really just don't know if they will bother with PS2 for PS4, kind of like how WiiU doesn't play Gamecube.[/QUOTE]
PS2 list of great and popular games is way bigger than the NGC list. So it's way more interesting for them to keep BC once PS2 stop selling, or at least to keep remaking in 3D/HD PS2 games.

I think that PS2 backwards compability on PS4 will only happen if Sony makes it 100% through software emulation. I dont think that they will spend extra money on including PS2 hardware in the PS4 at least.

[QUOTE=TheBanditKing]-snip-
Also I would happily buy another if they would just give me the white one.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Where's my white PS3, Sony! White PS3 > Black PS3 by a mile.

They are selling Ps2 remakes like ICo, GOW, Metal gear etc etc .... why would they want to invest in the BC ? especially this late in the gen.... Usually company use BC to retain consumers from 1 gen to the other, but that does little sense right now.

[QUOTE=-Winnie-]With PS2 HD collections being all the rage, it's pretty much guaranteed that PS3 BC is not going to happen.[/QUOTE]
precisely

[QUOTE=mintylurb]Yes. Where's my white PS3, Sony! White PS3 > Black PS3 by a mile.[/QUOTE]
I heard the white one comes with a 3x fun multiplier. Is this true?

[QUOTE=TheBanditKing]For PS4, PS1 bc is a given (the store is not going to just wipe all those titles) and I feel the same for PS3 since PS4 will likely still have trophy data for games. [B]Though I really just don't know if they will bother with PS2 for PS4, kind of like how WiiU doesn't play Gamecube.[/B]

I wonder how long it will take to see some better pictures of this revision though, I want to see if the casing changed at all.[/QUOTE]
They will if the system doesn't have bottlenecks like the ps3. Certainly hardware based BC is dead. Sony isn't going down that route again. I think ps1/2 will be emulated through software on ps4, which will be designed to be compatible with all ps3 software.

The situation with Wii U and gamecube games isn't clear to me. Maybe the BD drive they're using doesn't load mini discs, or perhaps they see an issue with the different controller. Or maybe they have big plans to sell ported GC games on the VC and just don't want us to play our old GC discs on the Wii U. The first two issues are irrelevant for Sony regarding ps2 BC, and as for the third, Sony already has shown they have no issue letting us play old ps1 CDs on a ps3 while trying to sell as ps1 downloads on psn. I really do think the issue with no ps2 software BC on ps3 is only because Sony can't make an emulator with acceptable performance, not because of ps2 HD classics.

[QUOTE=AvidNobody]It really doesn't bother me personally. I bought the PS3 to play PS3 games, not games I've played before. Sure it would be nice but it's also very nice to see my favorite PS2 games get upscaled graphically and released onto one package.[/QUOTE]

lol this dream died years go

did people seriously think sony was going to bring this back?

Thinking about buying a ps3 from a friend for about 150. Should this new PS3 coming out change my mind at all?

Hmm. I've been thinking of selling my 60GB with BC even thought I like and use the BC portion of it. I just hate how loud it is and living in constant fear of it yellow lighting. I wonder if I would have any luck selling it on eBay even though I've never sold anything on there before.

It's also scary knowing I would have to buy a new PS3 first before selling mine so I could data transfer. If I timed it right I could make a nice little profit though.

[QUOTE=overcast]Thinking about buying a ps3 from a friend for about 150. Should this new PS3 coming out change my mind at all?[/QUOTE]

What are the specs on his system?

I'm still rocking an old 40 gig White PS3. Will def buy if this comes in white!

[QUOTE=TheBranca18]Not going to happen. You had your chance to get that a long time ago if it was really important to you.[/QUOTE]

Huh? These are the most logical things to return. No way BC is coming back but more USB ports and/or the card reader is very possible.

My Launch 60gb PS3 is still going strong BTW. It's loud though and that's why I want a slim. I'll take more USB ports over the card reader. Card reader is a want, more then 2 USB ports is a need. They need to put at least 2 in the back too.

Emm, teh internet shared this pic to me. Is it any real?
[IMG]http://www.hostingkartinok.com/image/01201106/078b19675781fe27233551e5839aa504.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=The_Player]Emm, teh internet shared this pic to me. Is it any real?
[IMG]http://www.hostingkartinok.com/image/01201106/078b19675781fe27233551e5839aa504.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Are you referring to the mistranslation of "this system can't play PS2 software"? :(

[QUOTE=Massa]Are you referring to the mistranslation of "this system can't play PS2 software"? :([/QUOTE]
Yep. So, is it official that it can't?

[QUOTE=NekoFever]That would probably get me to upgrade, but alas, no. Kind of a strange omission really for such a multimedia machine.[/QUOTE]

1000BASE-T FTW.

[QUOTE=a1m][img]http://i54.************/2hcgad3.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
The Slim is region free, right?

I need this fucking thing.

[QUOTE=BKK]It really isn't too soon;

2007/10: CECHG - 65nm Cell
2009/08: CECH2000 - 45nm Cell
2011/06: CECH3000 - 32nm Cell?[/QUOTE]You're forgetting a few...


11/2006: 90nm Cell / 90nm RSX / 200-380 watt
10/2007: [B]65nm Cell[/B] / 90nm RSX / 160-280 watt
08/2008: 65nm Cell / [B]65nm RSX[/B] / 130-280 watt
09/2009: [B]45nm Cell[/B] / 65nm RSX / 100-250 watt (slim)
03/2010: 45nm Cell / [B]40nm RSX[/B] / 100-250 watt (slim)
06/2011: ...nm Cell / ...nm RSX / ....-.... watt (slim)

[QUOTE=Goldrusher]You're forgetting a few...


11/2006: 90nm Cell / 90nm RSX / 200-380 watt
10/2007: [B]65nm Cell[/B] / 90nm RSX / 160-280 watt
08/2008: 65nm Cell / [B]65nm RSX[/B] / 130-280 watt
09/2009: [B]45nm Cell[/B] / 65nm RSX / 100-250 watt (slim)
03/2010: 45nm Cell / [B]40nm RSX[/B] / 100-250 watt (slim)
06/2011: ...nm Cell / ...nm RSX / ....-.... watt (slim)[/QUOTE]

06/2011: 32nm Cell / 40nm RSX / ....-.... watt (slim)

At some point in 2012 when TSMC have got 28nm production online they will migrate RSX to 28nm, and possibly a new actually slim, PS3 slim.

[url]http://pocketnews.cocolog-nifty.com/pkns/2011/06/ps3cech-3000b-8.html[/url]

power consumption test. it's pretty much same as before, 1-2watt difference.

[QUOTE=zomgbbqftw]06/2011: 32nm Cell / 40nm RSX / ....-.... watt (slim)

At some point in 2012 when TSMC have got 28nm production online they will migrate RSX to 28nm, and possibly a new actually slim, PS3 slim.[/QUOTE]Hmm... I would have bet money that they would have skipped a 32nm node shrink all together and when for a combined Cell/RSX at 28 nanometers.

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New model tear down.

[QUOTE=googleplex]Hmm... I would have bet money that they would have skipped a 32nm node shrink all together and when for a combined Cell/RSX at 28 nanometers.[/QUOTE]

Combined chip for PS3 isn't easy as it would be quite a large package and would require two different types of memory controller. 360 has unified memory and can have a single memory controller for both chips, so it is much easier.

Anyway, Sony will take every die shrink as soon as it becomes available, that is the nature of a business with such thin margins. The cost of an internal redesign is pretty minimal at this stage and when accommodating less power consuming chips it is relatively simple.

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New model tear down.[/QUOTE]
Never seen a slim from the inside. It looks just as neatly placed as the phat. Best hardware design by far

[QUOTE=zomgbbqftw]Combined chip for PS3 isn't easy as it would be quite a large package and would require two different types of memory controller. 360 has unified memory and can have a single memory controller for both chips, so it is much easier.

Anyway, Sony will take every die shrink as soon as it becomes available, that is the nature of a business with such thin margins. The cost of an internal redesign is pretty minimal at this stage and when accommodating less power consuming chips it is relatively simple.[/QUOTE]

The last rumor I heard was that Sony was going to skip a die shrink because the engineering to go smaller than 40nm is significant enough that it wasn't worth doing unless it was a more significant shrink. It's apparently due to the Rambus interface being wonky at sub-40nm sizes. And since shrinking the XDR connection is so much work, they'll probably just go ahead and combine the RSX and Cell while they're at it (especially since the Rambus shrink will probably make that a lot easier).

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New model tear down.[/QUOTE]

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Power savings seem pretty minimal.