Seriously, if Nintendo doesn't at the very least respond to this, I'll be shocked at this point.

[QUOTE=Busaiku]Seriously, if Nintendo doesn't at the very least respond to this, I'll be shocked at this point.[/QUOTE]

haha I just pictured Reggie on you avatar XP

BKO is now at #2,931. No idea what it was before then, but probably lower than that.

Wee.

[QUOTE=ivysaur12]Still at #1.

Yeah buddy.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to look at the number without being inclined to dismiss it as being a "joke" for most of the people, though :/

[QUOTE=ivysaur12]BKO is now at #2,931. No idea what it was before then, but probably lower than that.

Wee.[/QUOTE]

[img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110514005319/callofduty/images/8/84/Aww_yeah.JPG[/img]

This campaign probably gave BKO more exposure due to people saying how it's also made by Monolith and how good it is. Hell yeah people, start playing excellent RPGs.

Pre-ordered. Monolithsoft has earned my support.

The fallout of this could be bad for Nintendo. They want core gamers with the Wii U. Those are the people that will be early adopters. Especially Nintendo core gamers. A repeat of the Wii is very unlikely. If they do not bother to attract or make these people happy now why will they believe Nintendo will do so when it comes to the Wii U? A negative outcome to this I believe could affect the Wii U launch. No matter what 3rd parties announce people will remember what Nintendo has done. Their word means nothing when one looks at their actions as those are what matter in the end.

I know personally I have not been looking forward to the Wii U now that the E3 hype has died down. My patience with Nintendo has grown very thin when it comes to the console market. Hand held market I feel better because it's so strong in Japan. They have no choice not to screw around there and if they mess up outside of Japan Sony is waiting to fill the void. Even there I'm still getting a Vita just to be sure. Depending how this situation turns out overall the Wii could very well be the last Nintendo console I own. I've had it with them on this front.

I just hope they are thinking about situations like this when it comes to the final months of the Wii. They need to think long and hard in regard to what they want to happen with the Wii U and if they want core gamers to actually believe what they say.

[QUOTE=Effect]The fallout of this could be bad for Nintendo. They want core gamers with the Wii U. Those are the people that will be early adopters. Especially Nintendo core gamers. A repeat of the Wii is very unlikely. If they do not bother to attract or make these people happy now why will they believe Nintendo will do so when it comes to the Wii U? A negative outcome to this I believe could affect the Wii U launch.[/QUOTE]

Nintendo could see a Xenoblade release as tainting their 'HD image'. They could just want a fresh start in the US.

[QUOTE=Darryl]Nintendo could see a Xenoblade release as tainting their 'HD image'. They could just want a fresh start in the US.[/QUOTE]

Then release these games for the Wii-U at launch. I wouldn't complain. Toss a special collectors edition label on them or something.

[QUOTE=Darryl]Nintendo could see a Xenoblade release as tainting their 'HD image'. They could just want a fresh start in the US.[/QUOTE]

Then they shouldn't be bringing over Fortune Street or Rhythm Heaven either...

They're even bringing over DQ Monsters Joker 2 for the [B]DS[/B] goddamn.

[QUOTE=Darryl]Nintendo could see a Xenoblade release as tainting their 'HD image'. They could just want a fresh start in the US.[/QUOTE]

It still gives them no reason to not publish a highly desired title. NoA can very well lose their core fans on release day of the Wii U, thanks to the internet and social media.

If Nintendo truly intended to win their core back, they need to start picking up the slack and localizing highly desired games.

wait so nintendo fans are resorting to "petitioning" (read: begging) the mother company just to keep the remainder of wii's barren lineup from being even more barren?

if this is how nintendo treats its fanbase, i wonder where all the predicitons of Wii U domination next gen comes from
cuz theres that expression that seems appropriate here: "fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice shame on me...."

Preordered, c'mon Nintendo do the right thing.

[QUOTE=frAntic_Frog]wait so nintendo fans are resorting to "petitioning" (read: begging) the mother company just to keep the remainder of wii's barren lineup from being even more barren?

if this is how nintendo treats its fanbase, i wonder where all the predicitons of Wii U domination next gen comes from
cuz theres that expression that seems appropriate here: "fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice shame on me...."[/QUOTE]

Well, this is why it's being said that the whole situation looks bad for Nintendo. The core audience they are courting with Wii U is revealing how disgruntled they are, and essentially broadcasting the message "Nintendo treats core gamers like second class citizens." That clashes with Nintendo positioning themselves to make a big comeback with core gamers.

The cynical voice might say "Why would Nintendo listen to this, they have billions and shouldn't have to care." Perhaps that's true.

On the other hand, bad press is bad press. This is also not 3 years ago, or 5 years ago. In this day and age, "bad press" can go very far. It can screw up Amazon, twitter, social media, facebook, and essentially generate a geekosphere lynch mob.

Look how much more attention the situation has gotten [B]this[/B] time, within 48 hours.

[QUOTE=frAntic_Frog]wait so nintendo fans are resorting to "petitioning" (read: begging) the mother company just to keep the remainder of wii's barren lineup from being even more barren?

if this is how nintendo treats its fanbase, i wonder where all the predicitons of Wii U domination next gen comes from
cuz theres that expression that seems appropriate here: "fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice shame on me...."[/QUOTE]
Yes it's sad, but at least on the other hand it's far easier to be heard.

[QUOTE=Nocturnowl][URL="http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=5068422"]A rebuttal! [/URL][/QUOTE]
+1 for you sir.

[QUOTE=AceBandage]Actually, thinking about it, getting Monado so high could be a bad thing.
They'll release the game as Xenoblade, but we'll get all these people on board for Monado.
Uh oh.[/QUOTE]

Not really. How many people know Monado exist and how many are doing this for the campaign? I figure people who are pre-ordering know what Monado is.

Sometimes I love you people for doing this kind of stuff. This whole situation perfectly articulates my problems with nintendo this generation. Preordered!

[QUOTE=ivysaur12]BKO is now at #2,931. No idea what it was before then, but probably lower than that.

Wee.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.metacritic.com/game/ds/dragon-ball-z-attack-of-the-saiyans]Dragon Ball Z: Attack of the Saiyans at #1,348[/url]

Also made by Monolith.

[spoiler]My only experience with Monolithsoft games.[/spoiler]

All you people should buy BKO. Even if hate BK buy BKO. You will be in for what could be one of the best RPGs of last generation and a game that should have been a Wii launch title.

Yeah, I hated BK1 but I got BKO for cheap, and while I have yet to beat it or even get a large chunk of the way through I've liked it a lot more than the first.

All right I switched my-pre-order from Zelda: Skyward Sword to Xenoblade. I even suggested the customer rep to put this out front and linked to the GAF thread. I explained that the major reason for the sales was because of the campaign.

Unfortunately he didn't seem to care. Shame because having this on the front page could mean a lot.

I've placed my preorder with intent to buy. Hope this works.

[QUOTE=Eusis]Yeah, I hated BK1 but I got BKO for cheap, and while I have yet to beat it or even get a large chunk of the way through I've liked it a lot more than the first.[/QUOTE]

I LOVED BK, but the strange thing is that BKO surpass it in every conceivable way. I only recommend the first for story reasons because I know a lot of people can't stand the battle system but the second I would recommend for any RPG fan.

Pre-order placed and email sent to Nintendo...at least we are trying something!

[B]Hey [/B]Nintendo! You better [B]listen[/B]!

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WAfht.gif[/IMG]

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[QUOTE]I truly believe that the groupthink, anti-wii propaganda that we had for four years straight warped core gamers' perceptions of the Wii[/QUOTE]


I agree, it has a stigma and I think that it [I]sort of[/I] deserves it. Nintendo didn't do much to keep this thing supported and maintained in any reasonable fashion for anyone outside of their now diminishing expanded audience. There are morons who get a kick out of trashing on things and system wars but that happens in accordance with anything, anyone who is on the internet should be well aware of that.

Anyhow, I got mine on the cheap specifically for a small block of games (Monster Hunter 3, Little King's Story & Shiren 3) and got a few extra titles out of it and had some good fun so I don't feel too burned but no one is in the wrong for being a little bothered after the history of this platform. Look at the damn thread we're in now, when it DOES get a block of appealing software we have to beg for it.

Also, as someone who is a fan of rogue-likes, kooky ARPGs, etc and thus dabbles almost entirely in the B and C-tier as far as console games go, I always find the insinuation that the Wii was so amazing dumping ground for niche software to be ridiculous. It has been fairly barren outside of a few really nice titles that got burned by association, even compared to the somewhat diminished HD consoles. (though it'll be interesting to see if the Wii-U and PS3 creating a nice overlap in the future, that would be really nice)

Any nonsense aside though, games like Sin & Punishment, etc are not high sellers, not on anything, and CERTAINLY not as a full retail release. I'd like if Xenoblade got localized and tore ass on the charts, I'd like if the last year of genuinely great PSP software didn't all bomb, I'd like if more of the games I like didn't get auto-6/7'd with no media attention because Bald Space Marine June Edition came out, but that's reality and sometimes it sucks.

Pre-ordered. We want it, Nintendo!!

I hope you guys will get some luck with this one

Look at the best selling video games list:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PLG6p.gif[/IMG]

Ah man didn't work. Can anybody help me fix this image link?

Here's the link:

[URL="http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/videogames/ref=amb_link_6856902_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=09K7SPXNSZGMFB1N6ANW&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1281607882&pf_rd_i=468642"]Amazon best selling list[/URL]

[QUOTE=pgtl_10]Look at the best selling video games list:

[IMG]C:\Users\Dahu\Pictures\Amazon.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but your hyperlink has me laughing my ass off.

You've gotta host images on a image website, buddy. Try imgur.com or something.

[QUOTE=pgtl_10]Look at the best selling video games list:

[IMG]C:\Users\Dahu\Pictures\Amazon.gif[/IMG]

Ah man didn't work. Can anybody help me fix this image link?[/QUOTE]
oh wow

Great to see people actually working together to get NoA's attention.

Can we shoehorn Another Code R and Last Window into this campaign too? :)

Internet 101

What the...how in...? Did that many people really preorder this? This is frickin awesome!

[QUOTE=pgtl_10]Look at the best selling video games list:

[IMG]<a href="http://imgur.com/PLG6p" title="Hosted by imgur.com">http://imgur.com/PLG6p.gif</a>[/IMG]
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Haha, remove all that extra garbage. Like this:

[img]http://imgur.com/PLG6p.gif[img]

Except, of course, close the other image tag with an /. Whenever you use imgur, just use the direct image link.

[QUOTE=Gunloc]Great to see people actually working together to get NoA's attention.

Can we shoehorn Another Code R and Last Window into this campaign too? :)[/QUOTE]


We can pretty much add any game to our "List O' Demands", but Monado/Xenoblade is the only one we can support with our money at the moment.

It would be kind of hilarious and sad (for NOA) if they were actually planning to release these games and they wanted to give NOE their time in the sun first.

[QUOTE=ShockingAlberto]It would be kind of hilarious and sad (for NOA) if they were actually planning to release these games and they wanted to give NOE their time in the sun first.[/QUOTE]
If that were the case, why would they stay completely quiet and hide the ball from the general public then? Why not just allow Europe to get the game first? They're separate markets, it's not like there would be interference.

[QUOTE=Warrior_Keoni]It still gives them no reason to not publish a highly desired title. NoA can very well lose their core fans on release day of the Wii U, thanks to the internet and social media.[/QUOTE]

This whole travesty is the main reason I've soured towards the Wii U.
Heck, Monoloithsoft has been confirmed to be making a Wii U game and I can't even anticipate it.
Because there's a good chance that even if were to get a Wii U I may not be able to play it!
This ruins the whole point of owning a Nintendo machine; you don't buy them for 3rd party exclusives.

So Wii U is definitely not on my list of highly anticipated things.
Yet I own four generations of Nintendo consoles and this is the first time I've felt apathetic towards nintendo's next.
They're probably doing some damage to their core fanbase but exactly how much is hard to gauge.

Even if they were already planning on releasing Xenoblade in NA, this could get them to speed up the release to a late summer/fall date.
Besides, more exposure never hurt a game's sales.

[QUOTE=waytofailself]If that were the case, why would they stay completely quiet and hide the ball from the general public then? Why not just allow Europe to get the game first? They're separate markets, it's not like there would be interference.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it is the case, just that it would be funny.

I'm pretty sure they have had no intention of releasing it since NOE is handling the entire localization, complete with british voice actors.

If they were American voice actors and/or this was being handled by, say, Treehouse or 8-4, that could change things. But that's not the case.

Check this out from 685 to 1:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/avn1M.gif[/IMG]

Also 68,400% Wow!

How many people pre-ordered? Seriously I like to know.

It was at like 175,000% increase earlier.
Sadly, we can't know exact numbers, but it started at rank 12,000+ Thursday night.

[QUOTE=pgtl_10]I LOVED BK, but the strange thing is that BKO surpass it in every conceivable way. I only recommend the first for story reasons because I know a lot of people can't stand the battle system but the second I would recommend for any RPG fan.[/QUOTE]

I just ordered BKO. I have BK haven't finished it yet.
I think this will motivate me to [spoiler]beat kalas[/spoiler] since I won't want to start BKO before I'm done with BK.

I would like to believe that spamming Nintendo's Facebook page/emailing/sending letters/etc. will cause NOA to change their mind, but this is the same company that for years refused to release Mother 3/Earthbound 3 in the US. I don't see them changing no matter how much begging is done. It's entirely possible that NOA has already made plans to release Xenoblade/Last Story/Pandora's Tower in the US.

I put a message on Nintendo's Facebook page begging for those games, but the simple solution if this fails is boycotting Nintendo's products and not buying the 3DS or Wii U.

The Nintendo from NES/SNES and even N64 days is not the same Nintendo today.

Last Story is a bad game. Don't waste NoA's resources bringing it over.

Xenoblade and Pandora on the other hand should be localized.

With NOA blatantly refusing to localize good games - good games that just happen to speak to core gamers - I don't see how anyone interested in such things could actually consider buying a Wii U. It's completely ludicrous. Sure, buy the thing for Mario/Zelda/Whatever, if you want, but don't expect anything else interesting to come to it that won't also either A) Be on a console you already own, or B) be coming to a more powerful next-gen console from MS or Sony. The fact that there's no question something like "The Last Guardian" (hell, any team ICO game) is going to see a US release and these Wii games aren't is ridiculous.

NOA obviously has no interest in supporting anything but the grandmothers and "Maybe" gamers (as opposed to NEVERS!!!) that they were able to attract this generation. That happens to cover only a small sliver of gaming genres and certainly not ambitious Japanese-made RPGs.

I pre-ordered to show my support and will definitely buy it if it's localized, but right now I'm definitely a NO on getting a WiiU on launch day. NOA just doesn't have a good enough track record of bringing over anything that isn't the traditional Nintendo franchises.

[QUOTE=BluWacky]Localising Xenosaga I&II would have been ridiculous and unlikely. It's possible (perhaps even probable) that Bamco retained the IP on the Xenosaga franchise when they sold Monolithsoft, despite cancelling it. And if there's any company more adept at not releasing localised versions of JRPGs than Nintendo, it's Bamco.[/QUOTE]

Oh I know all about that. Trust me, I used to campaign for XSI&II pretty heavily. I know not everyone liked it, but I want more Xenosaga, dammit. The first OG Saga was a terrible, terrible tease. A decent RPG, but a terrible tease.

Meanwhile, it's list time:

[QUOTE]BK1: Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #8,787 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
BKO: Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #3,528 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)

Xenosaga Episode I: Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #2,110 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#25 in Video Games > PlayStation 2 > Action
#58 in Video Games > PlayStation 2 > All Games

Xenosaga Episdoe II: Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #2,852 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#18 in Video Games > PlayStation 2 > Role-Playing

Xenosaga Episode III: Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #2,829 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#16 in Video Games > PlayStation 2 > Role-Playing

Super Robt Taisen OG Saga: Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #14,011 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#92 in Video Games > Nintendo DS > Role-Playing

Dragon Ball Z Attack of the Saiyans: Amazon Bestsellers Rank: #1,257 in Video Games (See Top 100 in Video Games)
#18 in Video Games > Nintendo DS > Role-Playing[/QUOTE]

I just had a crazy idea. It might be too much (it probably is), but how about we see what we can do about getting these games to sell out, or get people to start buying them? Last-gen JRPGs might be a hard sell...but if we can increase general brand awareness of this studio, then it might be worth a shot.

Preorder it.

[QUOTE=Apdiddy]I would like to believe that spamming Nintendo's Facebook page/emailing/sending letters/etc. will cause NOA to change their mind, but this is the same company that for years refused to release Mother 3/Earthbound 3 in the US. I don't see them changing no matter how much begging is done. It's entirely possible that NOA has already made plans to release Xenoblade/Last Story/Pandora's Tower in the US.

I put a message on Nintendo's Facebook page begging for those games, but the simple solution if this fails is boycotting Nintendo's products and not buying the 3DS or Wii U.

The Nintendo from NES/SNES and even N64 days is not the same Nintendo today.[/QUOTE]

Mother 3 was a different situation. There were legal issues I believe with some of the music and the GBA was on it's way out at the time. Still sucks as I know a lot of people were looking forward to it. There is nothing at all holding back Xenoblade I believe.

[QUOTE=Apdiddy]I would like to believe that spamming Nintendo's Facebook page/emailing/sending letters/etc. will cause NOA to change their mind, but this is the same company that for years refused to release Mother 3/Earthbound 3 in the US. I don't see them changing no matter how much begging is done. It's entirely possible that NOA has already made plans to release Xenoblade/Last Story/Pandora's Tower in the US.

I put a message on Nintendo's Facebook page begging for those games, but the simple solution if this fails is boycotting Nintendo's products and not buying the 3DS or Wii U.

The Nintendo from NES/SNES and even N64 days is not the same Nintendo today.[/QUOTE]

Right, spamming doesn't work.
Preordering a game on a major site like Amazon, however...

Also, boycotting does even less. You're in the smallest of minority of gamers.

And you're right, it's not the same Nintendo. This one is actually better. The old Nintendo was far more arrogant and evil, but they didn't have any competition.

[QUOTE=Apdiddy]I would like to believe that spamming Nintendo's Facebook page/emailing/sending letters/etc. will cause NOA to change their mind, but this is the same company that for years refused to release Mother 3/Earthbound 3 in the US.[/QUOTE]

Mother 3 came out in 2006, and by that point the GBA was dead outside of Japan. It's understandable that they avoided the game when the last major GBA game was Minish Cap, and if you're not counting the US, that was a 2004 title.

[QUOTE=AceBandage]And you're right, it's not the same Nintendo. This one is actually better. The old Nintendo was far more arrogant and evil, but they didn't have any competition.[/QUOTE]
BUT the old Nintendo was still under the impression that the RPG phenomenon could be transplanted to America, so they did things like publish Dragon Warrior, Final Fantasy and Earthbound.

Actually they did manage to transplant Pokemon and recently Dragon Quest IX pretty well....

It was probably Earthbound's failure that made them shy about it...

[QUOTE=Apdiddy]I would like to believe that spamming Nintendo's Facebook page/emailing/sending letters/etc. will cause NOA to change their mind, but this is the same company that for years refused to release Mother 3/Earthbound 3 in the US. I don't see them changing no matter how much begging is done. It's entirely possible that NOA has already made plans to release Xenoblade/Last Story/Pandora's Tower in the US.

I put a message on Nintendo's Facebook page begging for those games, but the simple solution if this fails is boycotting Nintendo's products and not buying the 3DS or Wii U.

The Nintendo from NES/SNES and even N64 days is not the same Nintendo today.[/QUOTE]


It's been said many times in these threads already but the difference is that Xenoblade (and The Last Story) ARE being localized for an English speaking audience in Europe. The effort to actually release it here would be minimal.

Honestly, I don't blame Nintendo [I]too[/I] much for the Mother 3 thing. I mean, it was the very end of the GBA's life cycle. I think the last Nintendo-published GBA game released in N.A. was Drill Dozer in Feb. 2006. And that didn't do so well, IIRC. Plus, it was evident the DS would succeed the GBA (as opposed to being the "third pillar"). So maybe they felt it was time to end the GBA in N.A. Too bad we didn't get Mother 3 or Rhythm Tengoku.

Wii is different, though. In America, there are, what, 3 Nintendo published titles coming out from this point on? Would have been nice to have something.

[QUOTE=IAmtheFMan]It's been said many times in these threads already but the difference is that Xenoblade (and The Last Story) ARE being localized for an English speaking audience in Europe. The effort to actually release it here would be minimal.[/QUOTE]

They sure didn't make the minimal effort for Inazuma Eleven, The Last Window and Disaster Day of Crisis. The fact they allowed NoE to do the localization themselves is not a good sign.

[QUOTE=BocoDragon]BUT the old Nintendo was still under the impression that the RPG phenomenon could be transplanted to America, so they did things like publish Dragon Warrior, Final Fantasy and Earthbound.

Actually they did manage to transplant Pokemon and recently Dragon Quest IX pretty well....

It was probably Earthbound's failure that made them shy about it...[/QUOTE]


Yamauchi: RPG players are nerds who sit in dark basements.

The problem isn't Nintendo and RPGs. It's the industry and RPGs. Or, more precisely, it's the West and JRPGs. The end of the PS2 era was also the end of the West's love of the JRPG. They moved onto shooters with RPG elements (Mass Effect) or short action games (Fable).
Nintendo sees this. They aren't dumb.

The problem, rather, is that they are taking a chance on localizing two great JRPGs, but not in the largest market in the world.

IGN has this petition on their front page

Well, I've gone ahead and preordered, but I'm not really up for spamming their email/Facebook. I don't think either of those really mean much, it's really easy for a very small minority to be extremely vocal that way.

If we don't hear anything by their October conference thing I'll probably just cancel it and import.

[QUOTE=chaosblade]Well, I've gone ahead and preordered, but I'm not really up for spamming their email/Facebook. I don't think either of those really mean much, it's really easy for a very small minority to be extremely vocal that way.

If we don't hear anything by their October conference thing I'll probably just cancel it and import.[/QUOTE]


You could try the snail mail campaign.
That will get a lot more attention that FB or Twitter.

[QUOTE=chaosblade]Well, I've gone ahead and preordered, but I'm not really up for spamming their email/Facebook. I don't think either of those really mean much, it's really easy for a very small minority to be extremely vocal that way.

If we don't hear anything by their October conference thing I'll probably just cancel it and import.[/QUOTE]

We can't be impatient about this. We need to keep driving this as much as we can. Saying "screw it" after a certain point...how is that different than not supporting it at all?

Besides, it may take Nintendo months to announce the localizations as it is.

[QUOTE=AceBandage]Yamauchi: RPG players are nerds who sit in dark basements.

The problem isn't Nintendo and RPGs. It's the industry and RPGs. Or, more precisely, it's the West and JRPGs. The end of the PS2 era was also the end of the West's love of the JRPG. They moved onto shooters with RPG elements (Mass Effect) or short action games (Fable).
Nintendo sees this. They aren't dumb.

The problem, rather, is that they are taking a chance on localizing two great JRPGs, but not in the largest market in the world.[/QUOTE]Both the pound and the euro are stronger than the yen right now, NoE likely has less pressure to come in as profitable.

The dollar is weaker than the yen. This is likely the biggest issue with everything going on at NOA right now.

Xenoblade and the Last Story would be losses, there is no getting around that. NOA just has to accept they have to make the losses pay off in brand loyalty.

[QUOTE=Vamphuntr]They sure didn't make the minimal effort for Inazuma Eleven, The Last Window and Disaster Day of Crisis. The fact they allowed NoE to do the localization themselves is not a good sign.[/QUOTE]


...which is one of the reasons for this campaign. This wasn't just one instance of apathy. Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower and TLS were simply the final straws on the proverbial camel's back that spurred the Nintendo faithful.

What I don't understand is if Nintendo doesn't want to localize and distribute it, why not let a smaller distribution house do it? Mainly with the games that already have English in them. There's plenty of companies that can turn a profit and survive on distributing games with the smallest amount of sales

Then again, this is the same company that made a MLB baseball game, had a cover athlete for the game, and then didn't release it when it was completely finished.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X4fK5Tfta4[/url]

Hope this works. I want Xenoblade!!!

[QUOTE=AceBandage]Yamauchi: RPG players are nerds who sit in dark basements.

The problem isn't Nintendo and RPGs. It's the industry and RPGs. Or, more precisely, it's the West and JRPGs. [B]The end of the PS2 era was also the end of the West's love of the JRPG. They moved onto shooters with RPG elements (Mass Effect) or short action games (Fable).
Nintendo sees this. They aren't dumb.[/B]

The problem, rather, is that they are taking a chance on localizing two great JRPGs, but not in the largest market in the world.[/QUOTE]
I really feel that the market didn't decide this.

The content slowed to a trickle and people moved on as they had no choice.

Between 2007 and 2011 I'd say there wasn't a real major console RPG that would serve as a proper litmus test of the popularity of the genre. Sure we had Vesperia, Lost Oddysey and Blue Dragon... but none of them were particularly exceptional unless you're hardcore into the genre... FF-lite, DQ-lite, and an anime game. :P

And they were on Xbox... j-game fans were more likely to be on Sony or Nintendo platforms... of course on Xbox we'd see shooters dominating and RPGs failing!

I don't think the western market is averse to RPGs so much as we haven't been given any, and the shooter market has simultaneously exploded. But there are all these people who grew up on Final Fantasy... it's not a niche game series... but why can't companies capitalize on this market? They really haven't tried. Well, Xenoblade and LS look to be just that, but....

[QUOTE=ShockingAlberto]Both the pound and the euro are stronger than the yen right now, NoE likely has less pressure to come in as profitable.

The dollar is weaker than the yen. This is likely the biggest issue with everything going on at NOA right now.

Xenoblade and the Last Story would be losses, there is no getting around that. NOA just has to accept they have to make the losses pay off in brand loyalty.[/QUOTE]

NoA has very little work to do bring the games to the US. I don't see how they can release this game to the market and lose money...

[QUOTE=IAmtheFMan]...which is one of the reasons for this campaign. This wasn't just one instance of apathy. Xenoblade, Pandora's Tower and TLS were simply the final straws on the proverbial camel's back that spurred the Nintendo faithful.[/QUOTE]

That's the Wii era NoA for you. So what's the chances they release it in NA with the British localization and VA?

apparently people have been flooding Nintendo's phone lines about Xenoblade as well. air tight, Nintendo.

[QUOTE=Mockingbird]apparently people have been flooding Nintendo's phone lines about Xenoblade as well. air tight, Nintendo.[/QUOTE]


Every form of communication needs to be used properly.
Anyone live near their LA HQ that can stand outside with a sign for a few hours?
:D

[QUOTE=AceBandage]Every form of communication needs to be used properly.
Anyone live near their LA HQ that can stand outside with a sign for a few hours?
:D[/QUOTE]

Why not stand outside Nintendo World in NY?

[QUOTE=Bel Marduk]NoA has very little work to do bring the games to the US. I don't see how they can release this game to the market and lose money...[/QUOTE]

Well it's not like they just have to press a button to make the games appear in stores. I really don't believe the easy money argument. NoA has good reason for not bringing the game here. It's not simply a case of laziness. GAF seems to believe that they only need to pay ESRB fees and print copies then everything is pure profits.

Maybe the campaign will change their mind. If a huge amount of copies are preordered then maybe they will see the game as profitable.

[QUOTE=Vamphuntr]That's the Wii era NoA for you. So what's the chances they release it in NA with the British localization and VA?[/QUOTE]

Slim. I don't think anyone's arguing that. But who knows, maybe Nintendo will actually take notice at the frustration of it's most ardent fans and the mobilization we've done for these games.

Can somebody with twitter try to get Zelda and Robin Williams' attention with this campaign too? She already responded to GAF once. It'd only help exposure.

[QUOTE=Bel Marduk]NoA has very little work to do bring the games to the US. I don't see how they can release this game to the market and lose money...[/QUOTE]

I still don't understand how we didn't get Last Window; NoA's business model is a mystery to me.

Preordered Monado anyway. Sort of expecting Amazon delisting the game and canceling all orders Monday at Nintendo's suggestion.

[QUOTE=Bel Marduk]NoA has very little work to do bring the games to the US. I don't see how they can release this game to the market and lose money...[/QUOTE]I think you underestimate the cost they still will have.

Sure it is easier then doing the localization themselves but still there is a lot of work going on in the background.

If I was nintendo I wouldn't release it either unless it would be a guaranteed financial win situation.

Did nintendo ever made money with "hardcore" titles like sin and punishment? There is no reason to release a new ip on the Wii when we get the Wii U next year.

Sure it sucks but in the end only a small minority will really boycott nintendo. History has proven that gamers aren't really the most reliable bunch. See call of duty or left 4 dead boycot.

If Nintendo doesn't bring something I'm not bothering with the Wii U. I honestly understand that not every title can sell and make money and Xenoblade and the others may in fact be in that category in the West, hell they probably are, but to me as a console maker I think they need to do it. Because the way I see it is they're building a platform, their console, and they want to have as many people onboard as possible so I don't think that their business decisions should be focused on whether an individual title will make money or not but whether their whole platform makes money or not and in that vein I think they should be bringing over as many of their titles as possible.

So really I'm actually pretty angry at Nintendo for this, I know I may bitch about Sega too in regards to VC 3 but frankly they have no inherent responsibility to buoy the PSP like Nintendo does with the Wii.

I like Zelda, I like Metroid and I like Fire Emblem but if that's all I can count on Nintendo to bring over then I'm going to pass on their future hardware.

[QUOTE=iammeiam]I still don't understand how we didn't get Last Window; NoA's business model is a mystery to me.

Preordered Monado anyway. Sort of expecting Amazon delisting the game and canceling all orders Monday at Nintendo's suggestion.[/QUOTE]
That would be fine by me.

Then we know its probably never coming.

And off to European import sites we go...

[QUOTE=Foffy]Why not stand outside Nintendo World in NY?[/QUOTE]


Ideally, both.
Sadly, I live in the middle of this country, and far away from anything useful.

[QUOTE=AceBandage]Every form of communication needs to be used properly.
Anyone live near their LA HQ that can stand outside with a sign for a few hours?
:D[/QUOTE]

actually, someone in the IGN forums suggested doing street art right outside Nintendo's HQ about Xenoblade on a specific date -- while at the same time people on the other side of the country going to the Nintendo World store in N.Y. to do the same. This would be awesome to see.

[QUOTE=Vamphuntr]Well it's not like they just have to press a button to make the games appear in stores. I really don't believe the easy money argument. NoA has good reason for not bringing the game here. It's not simply a case of laziness. GAF seems to believe that they only need to pay ESRB fees and print copies then everything is pure profits.

Maybe the campaign will change their mind. If a huge amount of copies are preordered then maybe they will see the game as profitable.[/QUOTE]

No, but how costly can it be to go through the the translation and tweak a few things then optimize the game for NTSC? They're not translating the game. They're not paying for voice acting. There's so much buzz right now. I don't see how they can lose money, especially when companies like XSeed and Atlus bring over niche games and make a profit and they actually have to localize them themselves and NoA doesn't have to. Their business model can't be that horrible.

[QUOTE=hiro4]I think you underestimate the cost they still will have.

Sure it is easier then doing the localization themselves but still there is a lot of work going on in the background.

If I was nintendo I wouldn't release it either unless it would be a guaranteed financial win situation. [/QUOTE]

Remember Electroplankton, a game Nintendo only sold through their online shop and Gamestop Canada? Niche as fuck. Couldn't have been hugely profitable... and yet it happened with a nice modest print run..

[QUOTE=BocoDragon]Remember Electroplankton, a game Nintendo only sold through their online shop and Gamestop Canada? Niche as fuck. Couldn't have been hugely profitable... and yet it happened.[/QUOTE]


Yup. Just do a release straight through Amazon with all these fresh pre-orders.
Bam, instant money.

[QUOTE=Mockingbird]actually, someone in the IGN forums suggested doing street art right outside Nintendo's HQ about Xenoblade on a specific date -- while at the same time people on the other side of the country going to the Nintendo World store in N.Y. to do the same. This would be awesome to see.[/QUOTE]

I hope this works out. Maybe get the local news in on it.

[QUOTE=iammeiam]I still don't understand how we didn't get Last Window; NoA's business model is a mystery to me.

Preordered Monado anyway. Sort of expecting Amazon delisting the game and canceling all orders Monday at Nintendo's suggestion.[/QUOTE]
I suspect they'll do that too, but now that I think about it it might actually be a good sign if it ISN'T delisted at least within a month. Might indicate Nintendo's seriously considering releasing it and just doesn't want to say anything until they're sure. Or so I'd hope, maybe they'd just be really slow at doing anything about delisting a game they don't plan to release.

[QUOTE=Eusis]I suspect they'll do that too, but now that I think about it it might actually be a good sign if it ISN'T delisted at least within a month. Might indicate Nintendo's seriously considering releasing it and just doesn't want to say anything until they're sure. Or so I'd hope, maybe they'd just be really slow at doing anything about delisting a game they don't plan to release.[/QUOTE]


Nintendo suddenly canceling all these preorders that are magically appearing would make Amazon seriously question them. This is their money, too.
It would be a bad business decision at this point.

[QUOTE=BocoDragon]Remember Electroplankton, a game Nintendo only sold through their online shop and Gamestop Canada? Niche as fuck. Couldn't have been hugely profitable... and yet it happened with a nice modest print run..[/QUOTE]
In 2004, the dollar was worth more than the yen (at least according to the historical date I could google).

NOA was less risk-averse then, I guess. I'm willing to bet people are afraid for their jobs if they take losses, so they're being as conservative as possible when not ordered to bring a game to America by NCL.

Let us fight the good fight!

Just preordered on Amazon

[QUOTE=Eusis]I suspect they'll do that too, but now that I think about it it might actually be a good sign if it ISN'T delisted at least within a month. Might indicate Nintendo's seriously considering releasing it and just doesn't want to say anything until they're sure. Or so I'd hope, maybe they'd just be really slow at doing anything about delisting a game they don't plan to release.[/QUOTE]

The game used to be delisted on amazon back in 2010. Then earlier this year it started being listed again. amazon sent out e-mails saying it would be released in Feb 2011 for some reason. Of course, nothing came of it -- but it at least got re-listed so we can do this.

[QUOTE=hiro4]I think you underestimate the cost they still will have.

Sure it is easier then doing the localization themselves but still there is a lot of work going on in the background.

If I was nintendo I wouldn't release it either unless it would be a guaranteed financial win situation.

Did nintendo ever made money with "hardcore" titles like sin and punishment? There is no reason to release a new ip on the Wii when we get the Wii U next year.

Sure it sucks but in the end only a small minority will really boycott nintendo. History has proven that gamers aren't really the most reliable bunch. See call of duty or left 4 dead boycot.[/QUOTE]

NCL (ie Nintendo of Japan) releases many games that sell sub 50k, and those include development costs that are much higher than localization. NoA is just lazy, or they didn't think it was necessary to release anything as the Wii was doing record numbers. The situation chaged now, though.

Remember Mother 3 guys? :D

[QUOTE=AceBandage]Nintendo suddenly canceling all these preorders that are magically appearing would make Amazon seriously question them. This is their money, too.
It would be a bad business decision at this point.[/QUOTE]

What? All Nntendo has to say is, "It has come to our attention that you're accepting preorders on a title we have no plans to release."

If they don't plan to release the game, that's better business than not notifying Amazon.

[QUOTE=Bel Marduk]No, but how costly can it be to go through the the translation and tweak a few things then optimize the game for NTSC? They're not translating the game. They're not paying for voice acting. There's so much buzz right now. I don't see how they can lose money, especially when companies like XSeed and Atlus bring over niche games and make a profit and they actually have to localize them themselves and NoA doesn't have to. Their business model can't be that horrible.[/QUOTE]

Like someone already said in the thread there's more than meet the eye for decisions like this. They still need a team to market it and a team to prepare the logistic work for the distribution across stores. I think it's not really fair to compare Nintendo with Atlus and Xseed. They are clearly not companies in the same league. What is considered profitable for Atlus might not be worth the risk for Nintendo. I also doubt that all Atlus release are profitable. Anyone seen Luminous Arc 3?

[QUOTE=PounchEnvy]Remember Mother 3 guys? :D[/QUOTE]


It's only been brought up a billion times in this topic.
But that doesn't change the fact that these are completely different circumstances.

[QUOTE=AceBandage]It's only been brought up a billion times in this topic.
But that doesn't change the fact that these are completely different circumstances.[/QUOTE]
Like what?

And even if Nintendo canceled the Amazon pre-orders, the evidence that it reached number one will remain forever and will be continually shoved in their faces.

Mother 3 started the major campaigns against Nintendo (I mean, really kicked them off. I'm sure most everyone here has at least heard of it), but this campaign really just stuck the campaigns in the limelight. Straw that broke the camel's back, indeed.

[QUOTE=PounchEnvy]Like what?[/QUOTE]


1. The Mother series has licensing issues.
2. Mother 3 came out after the GBA was pretty much dead in America.
3. The game wasn't fully translated already like XB is and TLS is going to be.

I made a video trying to spread the word on youtube.

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqV_P25_O4A[/url]

Hopefully, others will do the same and make their voices be heard on youtube as well.

Also, does anyone have an account on the IGN forums? Maybe you can contact the guys who started operation rainfall and show them my video, and ask to include a video campaign as well?

[QUOTE=Vamphuntr]Like someone already said in the thread there's more than meet the eye for decisions like this. They still need a team to market it and a team to prepare the logistic work for the distribution across stores. I think it's not really fair to compare Nintendo with Atlus and Xseed. They are clearly not companies in the same league. What is considered profitable for Atlus might not be worth the risk for Nintendo. I also doubt that all Atlus release are profitable. Anyone seen Luminous Arc 3?[/QUOTE]

Even so, I doubt the games, at least Xenoblade and The Last Story (not sure how much PT is really hyped) would sell less than 100k minimum. If they would I don't really believe the buzz would be this big. Don't see how they could lose money with those type of sales.

[QUOTE=AceBandage]1. The Mother series has licensing issues.
2. Mother 3 came out after the GBA was pretty much dead in America.
3. The game wasn't fully translated already like XB is and TLS is going to be.[/QUOTE]
Oh. Just wondering. I did my part to post on Facebook. :p

[QUOTE=BocoDragon]Remember Electroplankton, a game Nintendo only sold through their online shop and Gamestop Canada? Niche as fuck. Couldn't have been hugely profitable... and yet it happened with a nice modest print run..[/QUOTE]Funny since you could buy it in the shops here in Europe.

And I literally only know one person who bought it. Everyone else was saying how awesome the game was but when asked why they didn't buy it it was all about the money and that they wanted other titles.

It is always the same with these kinds of niche titles. They have a following but once released nobody buys it. And I'm part of the problem.