[QUOTE=ClovingSteam;35910949]Why won't Nintendo just go back to the 2D Top-down Zelda? It was the peak of the series.[/QUOTE]

They should go back to it but imo release games on the 3DS imo.

[quote=BasilZero;35911040]They should go back to it but imo release games on the 3DS imo.[/quote]
now that I'd be happy with.

well, ph and st....

truthfully i would mind a topdown zelda like that one stage from super mario 3d land.

[QUOTE=OrangeGrayBlue;35911000]I've never seen a fantastic idea come from a fan outside of small tweaks (like ideas for HUDs in Zelda). All I see are people demaning more of the same or more of what used to be. Never something that's yet to be done.[/QUOTE]

That's a shame, you're missing out. It's also insulting that you assume that all fans are morons, or can't come up with something interesting.

[QUOTE=-Pyromaniac-;35910971]pssshtt, Ocarina of time was the peak. Just make the same thing but muchmuch more and it would be instant 10/10s.[/QUOTE]

Eh. Link to the Past is still the Greatest masterpiece Nintendo has ever done. Give me another 2D Zelda.

[QUOTE=VAPitts;35898341]troll much? lol[/QUOTE]

no, i mean if the skies team were to make another game, it'd probably be a 3ds or vita title, since they've been making psp games for the last three years. i'd rather their next game be a console game like skies of arcadia or the first valkyria chronicles.

[QUOTE=TheCongressman1;35911102]That's a shame, you're missing out. It's also insulting that you assume that all fans are morons, or can't come up with something interesting.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say they were morons. It simply makes sense. Fans are fans because they like something about a series. They're naturally going to demand more of it. There's nothing moronic about that. Nintendo's job is to find and create what fans don't know they want yet, not provide more of what's been done. I'm fine with suggestions that venture into totally untreaded territory, but I think it's in Nintendo's best interest to ignore any idea that revolves around "going back to" a past iteration or being "Just like _____, but more of everything."

2D Zeldas are overrated.

[QUOTE=OrangeGrayBlue;35911282]I didn't say they were morons. It simply makes sense. Fans are fans because they like something about a series. They're naturally going to demand more of it. There's nothing moronic about that. Nintendo's job is to find and create what fans don't know they want yet, not provide more of what's been done. I'm fine with suggestions that venture into totally untreaded territory, but I think it's in Nintendo's best interest to ignore any idea that revolves around "going back to" a past iteration or being "Just like _____, but more of everything."[/QUOTE]

What you said in your first post was along the line of "Nintendo should not listen to fans", that would include suggestions of untreaded territory. I agree that in some instances Nintendo should not cater to fans, which is why I said in my first post "That doesn't mean they are completely at our mercy." I'm not sure how much more clear I can make myself. I think Nintendo would be foolish to ignore fan feedback, but they would also be foolish to bend to their will.

That being said. It seems you are arguing the same thing in this post. What gives?

[QUOTE=Kjellson;35911366]2D Zeldas are overrated.[/QUOTE]



Except Link's Awakening. AKA, best Zelda ever.

[QUOTE=Kjellson;35911366]2D Zeldas are overrated.[/QUOTE]

Zelda 1, Link to the Past, and Links Awakening look down on all other Zelda's.

I would love to see the Starfox universe crossover with the Star Wars universe!! Its crazy, but possible. :)

[QUOTE=AceBandage;35911386]Except Link's Awakening. AKA, best Zelda ever.[/QUOTE]

and minish cap, its attractive cousin.

[QUOTE=invaderzim69;35911510]I would love to see the Starfox universe crossover with the Star Wars universe!! Its crazy, but possible. :)[/QUOTE]

Nah, Lucas would find some way of ruining it.

[quote=invaderzim69;35911510]I would love to see the Starfox universe crossover with the Star Wars universe!! Its crazy, but possible. :)[/quote]
lay off the crack

I played Link's Awakening a couple of months ago on my 3DS. It's good, but not great.

[QUOTE=TheCongressman1;35911385]What you said is "Nintendo should not listen to fans", that would include suggestions of untreaded territory. I agree that in some instances Nintendo should not cater to fans, which is why I said in my first post "That doesn't mean they are completely at our mercy." I'm not sure how much more clear I can make myself. I think Nintendo would be foolish to ignore fan feedback, but they would also be foolish to bend to their will.

That being said. It seems you are arguing the same thing in this post. What gives?[/QUOTE]

They shouldn't listen. The only exception to this, in my mind, is if there's widespread backlash against a certain feature of a game. This lets Nintendo know what they shouldn't do again. Any suggestion that tries to direct Nintendo toward what they SHOULD do again, though, is best ignored. And I've never heard an idea from a fan, even my own musings, that I thought was better than what Nintendo ultimately comes up with on their own accord. So, yes, ideas that venture into totally new areas are fun to read, but I don't think I've seen one better than Nintendo's own creations. If you feel like there are ideas from fans out there that would change my mind with how brilliant they are, I'd honestly like to read them.

So I'm skimming through some of the confusing US Wii U trademarks (you can search for them [URL="http://www.uspto.gov/ebc/tess/index.html"]here[/URL]) and I've found some interesting details.

There are several trademarks that mention telecommunication networks, online chatrooms/bulletin boards/forums, television telephones, and movies/music/sounds on "hand-held game machines with liquid crystal displays" (the tablet controller). The telecommunication stuff makes it seem like Nintendo is going to be teaming up with either phone companies or television providers (or both). All of that would make the Wii U controller like a huge smartphone. There have been rumors of Nintendo speaking to some television providers at CES but if they team with phone providers Nintendo will then be truly competing with other phone manufacturers on some scale (Apple :o)! It also looks like Nintendo is bringing back their online forums, maybe????

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I've seen no mention of it. Anyway, has Nintendo said anything about using the Wii U remote as a television receiver?

At around 41:34 in the video of Nintendo's E3 2011 media briefing, there's a sequence of a guy entering a room where another guy is playing New Super Mario Bros. Mii (looks like it anyway). And it's apparently time to watch some baseball, so the gamer dude has to succumb to playing on the small screen while the other guy can watch baseball on the bigger screen. Now, I can see some annoyance, at least in some households, building up if this will become a repeated pattern and New Super Mario Bros. Mii or whatever game has to resort to the Wii U remote every time there's some good tv program. Thus, it would be a nice feature if you could perhaps take turns - one day the game is on the big screen and the TV program is on the Wii U remote screen, next day it's vice versa.

How the Wii U manages to stream content from a big screen to the controller screen I don't know, nor have I any insight in what standard procedures it uses. Though I would assume it works similar to that of a TV tuner card, so technically speaking it shouldn't be impossible to utilize the Wii U remote as a TV receiver, questions arising are then related to copyright and EULAs. Anyone knows if this is semi-accurate or if I'm talking baloney?

Here's the video: [url]http://media.nintendo.com/e3/_ui/videos/E3_06072011_Nintendo_Press_Conference_English2.mp4[/url]

[B]Aguila[/B], that's common practice, and exists for Wii as well. For trademark Wii with Serial Number 78980447:

[QUOTE] G & S: Communication services, namely, electronic transmission of data and documents among users of computers; electronic mail services; providing online communication and electronic bulletin boards for transmission of messages among users in the field of general interest; providing online communication services for transmission of messages among computer users; providing wireless access to computer networks and Internet; streaming of audio and video material on the Internet; text and numeric wireless digital messaging services; web messaging services; wireless broadband communication services; wireless digital messaging services; wireless electronic transmission of data, images and information. FIRST USE: 20061119. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20061119[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rösti;35911716]I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I've seen no mention of it. Anyway, has Nintendo said anything about using the Wii U remote as a television receiver?

At around 41:34 in the video of Nintendo's E3 2011 media briefing, there's a sequence of a guy entering a room where another guy is playing New Super Mario Bros. Mii (looks like it anyway). And it's apparently time to watch some baseball, so the gamer dude has to succumb to playing on the small screen while the other guy can watch baseball on the bigger screen. Now, I can see some annoyance, at least in some households, building up if this will become a repeated pattern and New Super Mario Bros. Mii or whatever game has to resort to the Wii U remote every time there's some good tv program. Thus, it would be a nice feature if you could perhaps take turns - one day the game is on the big screen and the TV program is on the Wii U remote screen, next day it's vice versa.

How the Wii U manages to stream content from a big screen to the controller screen I don't know, nor have I any insight in what standard procedures it uses. Though I would assume it works similar to that of a TV tuner card, so technically speaking it shouldn't be impossible to utilize the Wii U remote as a TV receiver, questions arising are then related to copyright and EULAs. Anyone knows if this is semi-accurate or if I'm talking baloney?

Here's the video: [url]http://media.nintendo.com/e3/_ui/videos/E3_06072011_Nintendo_Press_Conference_English2.mp4[/url][/QUOTE]

It would be such a huge headache to program all the IR and Radio wavelengths for every single TV brand and model.

[QUOTE=Kjellson;35911564]I played Link's Awakening a couple of months ago on my 3DS. [B]It's good, but not great.[/B][/QUOTE]

You, sir, are wrong.

[quote=Rösti;35911716]I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I've seen no mention of it. Anyway, has Nintendo said anything about using the Wii U remote as a television receiver?

At around 41:34 in the video of Nintendo's E3 2011 media briefing, there's a sequence of a guy entering a room where another guy is playing New Super Mario Bros. Mii (looks like it anyway). And it's apparently time to watch some baseball, so the gamer dude has to succumb to playing on the small screen while the other guy can watch baseball on the bigger screen. Now, I can see some annoyance, at least in some households, building up if this will become a repeated pattern and New Super Mario Bros. Mii or whatever game has to resort to the Wii U remote every time there's some good tv program. Thus, it would be a nice feature if you could perhaps take turns - one day the game is on the big screen and the TV program is on the Wii U remote screen, next day it's vice versa.

How the Wii U manages to stream content from a big screen to the controller screen I don't know, nor have I any insight in what standard procedures it uses. Though I would assume it works similar to that of a TV tuner card, so technically speaking it shouldn't be impossible to utilize the Wii U remote as a TV receiver, questions arising are then related to copyright and EULAs. Anyone knows if this is semi-accurate or if I'm talking baloney?

Here's the video: [url="http://media.nintendo.com/e3/_ui/videos/E3_06072011_Nintendo_Press_Conference_English2.mp4"]http://media.nintendo.com/e3/_ui/vid...e_English2.mp4[/url][/quote]
seems like one of those things that's a bit too far out of nintendo's scope

[QUOTE=AceBandage;35911753]It would be such a huge headache to program all the IR and Radio wavelengths for every single TV brand and model.[/QUOTE]

They could make it like universal TV remotes where each user sets the Wii Upad to stream in conjunction with their particular TV model.


I find this unlikely to happen, though.

[QUOTE=-Pyromaniac-;35910467]That reminds me of this classic:

[IMG]http://7.mshcdn.com/wp-content/gallery/nintendo-wii-2nintendo-stream-mocks/nintendo-stream-0.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Oh man the memories, all the stupid names, all the mock ups, the questioning of why nintendo would do this and how they've lost their minds, and the constant reposting of this image. Good times.
I wonder if what kind of leaks we'll get before e3 for stuff, not just Wii u but hopefully something about that too.

[QUOTE=OrangeGrayBlue;35911616]If you feel like there are ideas from fans out there that would change my mind with how brilliant they are, I'd honestly like to read them.[/QUOTE]

It seems that you are content with Nintendo's current design philosophy, and that's fine I suppose, but to say that you don't think a fan could design above Nintendo's level, it comes off as extremely close minded. Nintendo is made up of people just like you and me. They are not gods.

If you really are interested. I have studied the design on Zelda games for several years. I know what I like, and what I don't. I feel that I have a decent insight on what works well in Zelda, and I've spoken on the subject pretty frequently around here. I have not compiled my thoughts in an essay or whatnot, but I probably will sometime in the near future.

[quote=DoomXploder7;35911882]Oh man the memories, all the stupid names, all the mock ups, the questioning of why nintendo would do this and how they've lost their minds, and the constant reposting of this image. Good times.
I wonder if what kind of leaks we'll get before e3 for stuff, not just Wii u but hopefully something about that too.[/quote]
hopefully 01net opens the bomb doors again

[QUOTE=-Pyromaniac-;35912016]hopefully 01net opens the bomb doors again[/QUOTE]

The Nintendo Ninjas have been working overtime lately. Not a single leak, even from a certain French company...

[QUOTE=frostbyte;35912125]The Nintendo Ninjas have been working overtime lately. Not a single leak, even from a certain French company...[/QUOTE]

Yves Flappy-Mouth Guillemot will let something slip. For sure.

[QUOTE=Rösti;35911716]
[B]Aguila[/B], that's common practice, and exists for Wii as well. For trademark Wii with Serial Number 78980447:

[QUOTE]G & S: Communication services, namely, electronic transmission of data and documents among users of computers; electronic mail services; providing online communication and electronic bulletin boards for transmission of messages among users in the field of general interest; providing online communication services for transmission of messages among computer users; providing wireless access to computer networks and Internet; streaming of audio and video material on the Internet; text and numeric wireless digital messaging services; web messaging services; wireless broadband communication services; wireless digital messaging services; wireless electronic transmission of data, images and information. FIRST USE: 20061119. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 20061119[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

This is the one I was reading:

[QUOTE]IC 038. US 100 101 104. G & S: Telecommunications, namely, providing online electronic bulletin boards for transmission of messages among computer users in the field of video games; providing information about providing online electronic bulletin boards for transmission of messages among computer users in the field of video games; transmission of information through electronic communications networks by consumer video game machines; providing information about telecommunication via consumer video game machines; transmission of information through electronic communications networks by hand-held game machines with liquid crystal displays; providing information about telecommunication via hand-held game machines with liquid crystal displays; communication via personal computers by electronic communications networks; providing information about telecommunication via personal computers by electronic communications networks; communication via television telephones; providing information about telecommunication via television telephones; computer-aided transmission of messages and images; providing on-line chat rooms for transmission of messages among users in the field of video games; communication services, namely, electronic transmission of data, images, videos, and documents; providing online chat rooms and electronic bulletin boards for transmission of messages among users in the field of general interest; [B]providing online forums for transmission of messages among computer users[/B]; providing wireless broadband communication services for use with video game computer networks and the Internet; streaming of audio and video material on the Internet; wireless electronic transmission of voice signals, data, images and information; information and data transmission via electronic communications networks[/QUOTE]

Maybe they'll integrate NeoGAF with the Wii U's messaging system XD

But I seriously don't know how to interpret these things so I'll just treat them as basic trademarking policies or what have you.

[QUOTE=ClovingSteam;35911484]Zelda 1, Link to the Past, and Links Awakening look down on all other Zelda's.[/QUOTE]

Oracle Games were the best.

[QUOTE=AniHawk;35911526]and minish cap, its attractive cousin.[/QUOTE]

Particularly the second half of the game. I like the whole game but the second half is some of the best stuff in any 2D Zelda.

[QUOTE=ClovingSteam;35911484]Zelda 1, Link to the Past, and Links Awakening look down on all other Zelda's.[/QUOTE]

I agree. What's your title for? I wish Youtube would link to the copyrighters page or something.

[QUOTE=Nilaul;35912198]Oracle Games were the best.[/QUOTE]

You. I like you.

[QUOTE=AceBandage;35911386]Except Link's Awakening. AKA, best Zelda ever.[/QUOTE]
A new Zelda like Link's Awakening, Link to the Past (my personal favorite), or Minish Cap would be awesome. I have VERY little interest in 3D Zelda games.

[QUOTE=frostbyte;35897850]I think people missed this so i'll ask again.

guys, what 3rd party games do you want to see the most on the Wii U? Mine's personally Dark Souls and Assassin's Creed. and one of them is already confirmed :)[/QUOTE]

I'd love somebody to remake Elite. The best game ever made imo. Online play would be seven kinds of awesome as long as a publisher isn't tempted to make it an MMO with subscription fees. Not going to happen though unfortunately. :o(

Hate to think how many hours I spent playing that on my 48K Speccy in the 80s!!! :Oo

[QUOTE=ClovingSteam;35910949]Why won't Nintendo just go back to cel shaded graphics? Wind Waker was the peak of the series.[/QUOTE]

Fixed.

I'd love to see a BF2142 remake on the Wii U.

[QUOTE=OrangeGrayBlue;35911861]They could make it like universal TV remotes where each user sets the Wii Upad to stream in conjunction with their particular TV model.


I find this unlikely to happen, though.[/QUOTE]

I've been hoping for universal remote functionality since they first revealed the controller.
with a touch screen TV Guide app where you could look for shows on the remote without clogging up the TV with the TVGuide, and then switch the channel only whey you have found what you are looking for.

how many touch-based minigames will the new joypad feature? i'm hoping at least five and I HOPE Chess among them

[QUOTE=Anasui Kishibe;35913972]how many touch-based minigames will the new joypad feature? i'm hoping at least five and I HOPE Chess among them[/QUOTE]

We saw that one game at E3.
Othello was it?

I want a Mario developed by Treasure.

Just to see what comes out.

[QUOTE=Javier;35914038]I want a Mario developed by Treasure.

Just to see what comes out.[/QUOTE]

If we're going there, just have Suda make a Mario game.

I want a Captain Falcon beat em' up/HnS (ala God Hand) developed by Mikami or Kamiya.

FALCON PUNCH!!!!!!!

Seriously a non-racing Captain Falcon game would be great.

Atlus x Gamefreak Pokemon collab. Make it happen.

[QUOTE=Grampa Simpson;35909165]I trust BlacknMild2k1 to post what he believes to be true. He's always been a straightforward guy, and doesn't seem to pull rumors out of his ass.

He's been part of these threads since the initial Project Cafe leaks started last year, [b]and was the guy who was compiling really great rundowns of all the rumors.[/b]

If he says something like this, he believes it to be correct - whether his source is good or not, or whether Nintendo changes things around before release is a different story.
[/QUOTE]

I've still got that rumor compilation going.

All the way from Sept. 2010 updated till the UE4 rumor of last night.
still have to add that DK3D rumor from this morning though.

[QUOTE=ClovingSteam;35910949]Why won't Nintendo just go back to the 2D Top-down Zelda? It was the peak of the series.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=-Pyromaniac-;35910971]pssshtt, Ocarina of time was the peak. Just make the same thing but muchmuch more and it would be instant 10/10s.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ffdgh;35911028]hmm mature zelda....Idk if that would be equal or worse than mature mario.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Kjellson;35911366]2D Zeldas are overrated.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ClovingSteam;35911165]Eh. Link to the Past is still the Greatest masterpiece Nintendo has ever done. Give me another 2D Zelda.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AceBandage;35911386]Except Link's Awakening. AKA, best Zelda ever.[/QUOTE]

THIS IS WHY ZELDA WILL NEVER REACH QUALITY CONSENSUS AGAIN

[QUOTE=ShockingAlberto;35914170]THIS IS WHY ZELDA WILL NEVER REACH QUALITY CONSENSUS AGAIN[/QUOTE]

That's what happens with you have a franchise for 25 years with a variety of different styles.
:P

[QUOTE=ShockingAlberto;35914170]THIS IS WHY ZELDA WILL NEVER REACH QUALITY CONSENSUS AGAIN[/QUOTE]

Nice to see you back Alberto. And yeah, too much division around Zelda to even know where to start. I sort of feel sorry for the Zelda team actually.

[QUOTE=ShockingAlberto;35914170]THIS IS WHY ZELDA WILL NEVER REACH QUALITY CONSENSUS AGAIN[/QUOTE]

Yeah but that's like your opinion man.