[QUOTE=boris feinbrand;35920345]But some apps need to run regardless of what you're doing. Voice chat and video chat would need to keep running even while you're browsing or playing a game, so coupled with an OS overhead I doubt that 100MB would be enough, especially if they want to do transitions fast and seamless.

I agree that tasks like games will go into a savestate when going to the OS, much like Vita does, but for all the OS stuff I think they'll really need to reserve enough memory or else they end up with similar problems like the PS3 ran into. They need to keep enough spare Memory for the OS to introduce additional features later down the road. PS3 never could get cross game invites and cross game chat due to this oversight. Even after trimming all the fat of the PS3 OS there was simply not enough left to include such (IMO) vital features.

Nintendo really can't afford to do that same mistake.[/QUOTE]

Well, things that run in the background like voice chat can be limited, 512mb is a lot of space, Team Speak, especially the mobile version is very small, stuff of this nature wouldn't need to use more than 10mb or so, like I said anywhere between 128mb and 256mb should be enough, and to limit a tablet app to 100mb of ram, would leave them with 28mb for things like cross voice chat, a text messaging service, and similar... if you are video chatting on the tablet, and surfing the web, you'd have to use the tv at that point, so you'd have the entire system's memory, and just quick save state your game, means it "pauses" like in android and gives you back almost all of the ram it was using.

[QUOTE=ozfunghi;35920376]He was talking about Wii games, not WiiU games.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't sound like he is from his response. I think all VC titles will be playable on the Wii Upad though.

[QUOTE=Nibel;35920378]The Wii's killer feature weren't motion controls - it was that a familiy or people who never played a game could play together.

This feature could put an end to the times were you could either watch TV programs or play games on your TV. Imagine sitting next to your girlfriend, she wants to watch her stupid TV show while you want to play a home console title - Wii U solves that problem without you needing to leave the room or quit your wish.[/QUOTE]

Oh, I agree that it's a great idea, it's just that there's nothing new being revealed in the posted interview if that's indeed what he's talking about. :p

[QUOTE=Log4Girlz;35920406]Yeah, it was the motion controls actually.[/QUOTE]

They were important, yes; but they could have released them with hardcore games - then everything would have taken a different direction and maybe motion controls could have flopped.

Blue ocean strategy - winning a new crowd for yourself. This is what Wii did for Nintendo in my opinion.

[QUOTE=Nibel;35920266]This could be actually a secret killer feature.[/QUOTE]

The real killer will be if you can use it for web browsing, Netflix, Skype, etc. They could make it an iPad killer.

[QUOTE=MadOdorMachine;35920442]The real killer will be if you can use it for web browsing, Netflix, Skype, etc. They could make it an iPad killer.[/QUOTE]

I wonder if you can play on the thing and let everybody else watch Netflix on TV for example.. this could be some marketed as some kind of powerful multitasking device.

[QUOTE=Nibel;35920434]They were important, yes; but they could have released them with hardcore games - then everything would have taken a different direction and maybe motion controls could have flopped.

Blue ocean strategy - winning a new crowd for yourself. This is what Wii did for Nintendo in my opinion.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, you are correct, the majority of people who bought the Wii to play Wii Sports, were thinking about playing it with friends, for instance, playing Wii tennis by yourself has it's limits, but if you add 3 friends, it becomes a social event. Wii U brought social games to the living room, and that is why it was so well received.

[QUOTE=MadOdorMachine;35920442]The real killer will be if you can use it for web browsing, Netflix, Skype, etc. They could make it an iPad killer.[/QUOTE]

An iPad killer? Come on now.

Raise your hand if you want a RAM expansion pak

*raises hand*

[QUOTE=Nibel;35920450]I wonder if you can play on the thing and let everybody else watch Netflix on TV for example.. this could be some marketed as some kind of powerful multitasking device.[/QUOTE]

This should be possible, especially if it works in reverse. It would just be a matter of flipping which display gets which signal.

[QUOTE=Log4Girlz;35920500]Raise your hand if you want a RAM expansion pak

*raises hand*[/QUOTE]

This is a bad idea, 2GB would be plenty, that is a ton of memory for a console, don't let my discussion with boris feinbrand scare you... Consoles don't need a lot of ram like PCs, all the functions you want from a console can fit into 128MB ram, heck if my android phone can do everything it does with only about 128mb left over ram while running a heavy 3D game app, then I don't think a Console will have a problem like that, especially because Nintendo will be a lot more aware of the apps on the Wii U then Google is with the apps on Android.

[QUOTE=Nibel;35920450]I wonder if you can play on the thing and let everybody else watch Netflix on TV for example.. this could be some marketed as some kind of powerful multitasking device.[/QUOTE]

Unless they buy an extra controller or Nintendo allows games to be played with a classic controller. Actually, I hope they allow the ability to use a classic controller controller anyway. Either that or make a controller with a much smaller screen.


[QUOTE=Hoo-doo;35920491]An iPad killer? Come on now.[/QUOTE]
They should have built 3DS in mind to be used as a controller to retain functionality when you're out of range imo. There may be some hidden features there we don't know about anyway. Being in range of the console seems to be one of the biggest hurdles in being an iPad killer though. This tablet should be able to every thing an iPad does and more, but at lower resolution. There's rumors Microsoft is doing exactly that with Durango having a coax connection and some sort of tablet to control the channels itself. This is the direction the living room is heading regardless of whether Nintendo sees it or not.

[QUOTE=Nibel;35920450]I wonder if you can play on the thing and let everybody else watch Netflix on TV for example.. this could be some marketed as some kind of powerful multitasking device.[/QUOTE]

If Nintendo has increased their yellow pikmin to let you use two Upads at once, I think it will become an extremely marketable feature. You could, in theory, have three different people doing three different things on one console.

[QUOTE=z0m3le;35920518]This should be possible, especially if it works in reverse. It would just be a matter of flipping which display gets which signal.



This is a bad idea, 2GB would be plenty, that is a ton of memory for a console, don't let my discussion with boris feinbrand scare you... Consoles don't need a lot of ram like PCs, all the functions you want from a console can fit into 128MB ram, heck if my android phone can do everything it does with only about 128mb left over ram while running a heavy 3D game app, then I don't think a Console will have a problem like that, especially because Nintendo will be a lot more aware of the apps on the Wii U then Google is with the apps on Android.[/QUOTE]

RAM pak for N64 was awesome, its time for another awesome expansion.

[QUOTE=Log4Girlz;35920582]RAM pak for N64 was awesome, its time for another awesome expansion.[/QUOTE]

a ram pack for Wii U would be pointless. to be honest, they should just have whatever in the box, if you want an expansion pack, ask for a physics processing unit.

The system will have 2GB, I'm thinking.
3 would be a huge surprise, and isn't likely to happen.
It does, however, make me wonder how many tweaks and upgrades Nintendo are willing to go through to improve the console - we've already heard of two - one being a large performance upgrade and the other upping the RAM.
In many ways, I think third party studios have delegated the hardware inside the Wii U a little - I think Nintendo didn't predict the amount of developers who wished to use more than one tablet/stream the game to the pad, and so were forced to upgrade the RAM on request.

Here' some more info guys
[url]http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/an-industry-exclusive-look-into-next-gen-wii-u/[/url]

Was Ideaman ever confirmed to have or have access to devkits...?

I notice he's still being referred to.

[QUOTE=Demon Lizardman;35920906]Here' some more info guys
[url]http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/an-industry-exclusive-look-into-next-gen-wii-u/[/url][/QUOTE]Seems speculatory...

What's the source for the story?

[QUOTE=Demon Lizardman;35920906]Here' some more info guys
[url]http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/an-industry-exclusive-look-into-next-gen-wii-u/[/url][/QUOTE]
.
[QUOTE]As everyone is aware, there have been different models of the dev kits floating around. Many of the discrepancies between developers about the power of the dev kits are apparently because [B]Nintendo has only given the newer, more beefy version of it to the really big publishers while the smaller developers were left with the so-called outdated model.[/B] [Editor's note: I assume this is because Nintendo has been taking their feedback into account when tweaking the system specs and therefore have been constantly updating them with the newer models to see if they were happy. Whereas, smaller developers haven't been part of this dialogue - they only have the dev kits to actually start the development rolling on their new games.]

But, now that GDC is over, it seems from the chatter in the industry tha[B]t the big “hairy and heavy” dev kit has started to become the new standard of Wii U currently in possession by most developers[/B] and hopefully we’ll start to get a real taste of what this system is capable of post-GDC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Okay, let’s get to the big question: Unreal Engine 4. Is it a yes or no on the Wii U hardware?

[B]Wii U already can run something akin to Unreal Engine 3.9 but I find this whole topic much less noteworthy than many are making it out be.[/B] While details on feature requirements for the new engine are nearly zero, comments from [B]Epic suggest that there should be no reason why the Unreal Engine 4 won’t be able to scale “down” to work on the Wii U.[/B] Just remember that that it’s not power that is the main factor for an engine, rather, it’s the features offered by the hardware and the age of the hardware. For example, in theory, if there were to be an Unreal Engine 4 right now, it possibly could be scaled down in terms of power to work on the PS3 and 360 because they support the features that are considered standard across the industry. However, in reality, when the Unreal Engine 4 is released we probably won’t see much Unreal Engine 4 on them because those systems are aging. The modern hardware going into Wii U could be new enough to support the Unreal Engine 4 at least on a scaled down level in terms of power.

See, this is specifically the issue that was encountered with the Wii, which Nintendo wants to avoid. The problem wasn’t so much that the hardware was weak, rather, it was that the hardware didn’t follow industry standards at the time and therefore impossible for developers to easily port a game to the Wii. The Wii U solves this and more. [B]From almost a year ago, the Wii U dev kits felt like souped up Xbox 360s, tech-wise.[/B] So, developers were basically just “dragging and dropping” their PC and 360 games onto the Wii U hardware last year, even before any new software and projects had begun development. This is how games like Darksiders 2 were up and running on Wii U hardware for E3 2011 in a matter of weeks of development, though Nintendo finally decided not to show the “instant” port the developers had completed.[/QUOTE]

Ugh... "scale down"... :/

[QUOTE=Demon Lizardman;35920906]Here' some more info guys
[url]http://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/an-industry-exclusive-look-into-next-gen-wii-u/[/url][/QUOTE]

Can we expect some new info from Arkam then?

[QUOTE]As everyone is aware, there have been different models of the dev kits floating around. Many of the discrepancies between developers about the power of the dev kits are apparently because Nintendo has only given the newer, more beefy version of it to the really big publishers while the smaller developers were left with the so-called outdated model. ... But, now that GDC is over, it seems from the chatter in the industry that the big “hairy and heavy” dev kit has started to become the new standard of Wii U currently in possession by most developers and hopefully we’ll start to get a real taste of what this system is capable of post-GDC.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Ubermatik;35920949]Ugh... "scale down"... :/[/QUOTE]

Both Microsoft and Sony's systems are going to be coming out at least a year after Wii U, so they WILL be more powerful, even if they both go a more conservative route this time. And the term "scale down" has so many potential meanings that it's pointless to gripe about it...

[QUOTE=Ubermatik;35920949].




Ugh... "scale down"... :/[/QUOTE]

Stopped reading when I saw this piece of bullshit: "something akin to Unreal Engine 3.9"

[QUOTE=Ubermatik;35920949].




Ugh... "scale down"... :/[/QUOTE]

I don't know, the entire article seemed more like a piece together than an exclusive... scaled down from what is the important thing to think about there... if it's scaled down from the top, I think that was to be expected, all 3 consoles next gen will be scaled down in that manner, but there is absolutely no reason the Wii U won't do everything at 720p that the xbox 3/ps4 will do at 1080p and that is pretty much a worse case scenario.

My thoughts exactly. It seems like this guy just took the bits of info we already now, some stuff he knows/has heard, took some logical guesses and pieced it all together.
It's not very convincing, nor is there any substantial information in there.

It's all very vague.

Sounds more like he skimmed this thread and made an article on it.
HI JOURNALISTS! Having fun poaching our info without citing a source?
:D

I'm still very cautious about that alleged spec bump. I believe I was the first to mention the improved late 2011 kits on B3D and GAF, but that story immediately developed a life of its own and got blown way out of proportion. I wrote that there were a few improvements and that it exceeds some initial targets, yet many people took that as a massive spec bump and reported it as such. I personally don't know how substantial the improvements were, but I really, really hope the sites mentioning it now aren't just riding that wave.

Shitty article. Next!

[QUOTE=Ubermatik;35897909]Guys, what if a Rockstar rep came on stage at E3 and said that GTAV will be a pre-competitor-release [spoiler]for Durango[/spoiler] so the game will be on the system before any other console?[/QUOTE]
Rockstar doesn't participate at E3's.

[QUOTE=wsippel;35921234]I'm still very cautious about that alleged spec bump. I believe I was the first to mention the improved late 2011 kits on B3D and GAF, but that story immediately developed a life of its own and got blown way out of proportion. I wrote that there were a few improvements and that it exceeds some initial targets, yet many people took that as a massive spec bump and reported it as such. I personally don't know how substantial the improvements were, but I really, really hope the sites mentioning it now aren't just riding that wave.[/QUOTE]


Personally, I don't give a shit what any "news" site says.
We have our own sources here that I trust far more, simply because we can question them ourselves.

Let's hope Nintendo actually suprises and listens to us hardcore and core gamers. I want a console which is some sort of a powerhouse (Quad core Power 7 based CPU, HD4870/6670/7770 based GPU, 2GB RAM and atleast 16GB Flash memory). I will laugh my *** off if Nintendo will be stupid enough to release a $299 with PS3 like performance and 50% extra performance falls into that category.

[QUOTE=wsippel;35921234]I'm still very cautious about that alleged spec bump. I believe I was the first to mention the improved late 2011 kits on B3D and GAF, but that story immediately developed a life of its own and got blown way out of proportion. I wrote that there were a few improvements and that it exceeds some initial targets, yet many people took that as a massive spec bump and reported it as such. I personally don't know how substantial the improvements were, but I really, really hope the sites mentioning it now aren't just riding that wave.[/QUOTE]

I think it was a couple things, There was also that someone on this board, posted about a popular 3rd party engine (which we all assumed was UE3) was being tested on the Wii U by Nintendo and that they were tweaking the dev kit to run it better.

That a lot is a huge step in the right direction, but also Nintendo's in house dev kit will likely be circulating to devs this week, and Nintendo will have another version that they are working on. I think that just is part of GDC.

Then there was another rumor about Ram increasing. but when you combined the rumors, you can tell it's from more than one source.

[QUOTE=wsippel;35921234]I'm still very cautious about that alleged spec bump. I believe I was the first to mention the improved late 2011 kits on B3D and GAF, but that story immediately developed a life of its own and got blown way out of proportion. I wrote that there were a few improvements and that it exceeds some initial targets, yet many people took that as a massive spec bump and reported it as such. I personally don't know how substantial the improvements were, but I really, really hope the sites mentioning it now aren't just riding that wave.[/QUOTE]
So you are the source of spec bumps? It went from 1.5-2x PS360 to 5x of them. I honestly don't know how they bumped specs that much, seems fishy.

What's the chance that the white Wii U controller is going to turn yellow like my white Wii remote and my DS lite?

[QUOTE=Yaceka;35921485]What's the chance that the white Wii U controller is going to turn yellow like my white Wii remote and my DS lite?[/QUOTE]

...
Wash your hands, man...

[QUOTE=Yaceka;35921485]What's the chance that the white Wii U controller is going to turn yellow like my white Wii remote and my DS lite?[/QUOTE]

Erm, do you sweat a lot? Or keep the controllers exposed to sunlight a lot? Because both my remotes and DS are fine after years of constant use...

[QUOTE=Yaceka;35921485]What's the chance that the white Wii U controller is going to turn yellow like my white Wii remote and my DS lite?[/QUOTE]

It looks like they use the same plastic since they changed it with the DS Lite. So, the chances are very high.

[QUOTE=Ubermatik;35921567]Erm, do you sweat a lot? Or keep the controllers exposed to sunlight a lot? Because both my remotes and DS are fine after years of constant use...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I've had mine since launch, still white as the day I bought them... and I have mariokart players that actually like using just the wiimote.

[QUOTE=AceBandage;35921558]...
Wash your hands, man...[/QUOTE]
I have a hardcore cleanliness OCD with my electronics, so trust me my hands are clean. Nintendo's white products just hate me.

[spoiler]My hands would be painfully dry if I washed them any more than I do. Maybe it's just my hand's natural oils or something?[/spoiler]

EDIT: It's only really the analog stick (nunchuk), d-pad (Wii remote), and shoulder buttons (DS lite) that change colour for some reason, the rest of the plastic remains the same. Maybe it's due to the material used?

[QUOTE=Yaceka;35921636]I have a hardcore cleanliness OCD with my electronics, so trust me my hands are clean. Nintendo's white products just hate me.

[spoiler]My hands would be painfully dry if I washed them any more than I do. Maybe it's just my hand's natural oils or something?[/spoiler][/QUOTE]

Dunno.
My launch Wiimote and even my launch Arctic White GBA are both the same color as when I got them.
I didn't even know there was a yellowing problem.

[QUOTE=z0m3le;35921610]Yeah, I've had mine since launch, still white as the day I bought them...[B] and I have mariokart players that actually like using just the wiimote.[/B][/QUOTE]

*shudder*... heathens!

Damn, this thread isn't even two months old. I bet we will have the fifth thread up running by the time E3 comes.

[QUOTE=AceBandage;35921649]Dunno.
My launch Wiimote and even my launch Arctic White GBA are both the same color as when I got them.
I didn't even know there was a yellowing problem.[/QUOTE]

No yellowing here either and I have a 3yr old and a nine months old hacking away at them half the time...

I smoke illicit substances and my consoles take on a nice yellow hue.

[QUOTE=Yaceka;35921636]I have a hardcore cleanliness OCD with my electronics, so trust me my hands are clean. Nintendo's white products just hate me.

[spoiler]My hands would be painfully dry if I washed them any more than I do. Maybe it's just my hand's natural oils or something?[/spoiler]

EDIT: It's only really the analog stick (nunchuk), d-pad (Wii remote), and shoulder buttons (DS lite) that change colour for some reason, the rest of the plastic remains the same. Maybe it's due to the material used?[/QUOTE]

so rubberized parts, well I've seen those get yellow, I think it would likely be from your rubbing away any coating it might of gotten, though since I've never had it happen to my own, I wouldn't know, but yes, I've seen gamecube analog sticks become yellow before.

all I can say is that you either play with your wii too much (sexual jokes aside) or your hands are either too oily/sweaty or the opposite and that rubs away the natural material of the rubberized analog/d-pad of those controllers.

[QUOTE=DarkChild;35921429]So you are the source of spec bumps? It went from 1.5-2x PS360 to 5x of them. I honestly don't know how they bumped specs that much, seems fishy.[/QUOTE]

Who's to say they bumped the specs that much? No one actually knows how powerful the Wii U was last year or how powerful it is now. Even if it's revealed to be at the bleeding edge of technology at this E3, nothing says it wasn't close to that last year. People are getting these numbers by taking vague statements from developers, determining how many x Wii U is than 360 based on those statements, and then rationalizing their conclusion with more specific spec guesses after the fact. It's such a backwards way of figuring things out that I think the amount of confusion has actually resulted in a less clear view of what the consoles can do than we had before.

Green substances just so no one thinks I'm talking about anything rocky.

I live by a wise creed "Don't smoke rocks."

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;35921885]Green substances just so no one thinks I'm talking about anything rocky.

I live by a wise creed "Don't smoke rocks."[/QUOTE]

Well sure.
Have you ever tried to set a rock on fire?
Nearly impossible.

[QUOTE=AceBandage;35921895]Well sure.
Have you ever tried to set a rock on fire?
Nearly impossible.[/QUOTE]
The lab around here has great combustibles.

They set all sorts of things on fire. A few of them made me sleepy when I inhaled them.

[QUOTE=MadOdorMachine;35920442]The real killer will be if you can use it for web browsing, Netflix, Skype, etc. They could make it an iPad killer.[/QUOTE]

If it doesnt have wifi, and cannot do absolutely everything my tablet can do, this aint gonna happen. Just saying, there are some minor overlap in the two industries, but they arent THAT large. Im not going to be replacing my tablet with a WiiU pad, and the same applies vice versa.

[QUOTE=Cipherr;35921929]If it doesnt have wifi, and cannot do absolutely everything my tablet can do, this aint gonna happen. Just saying, there are some minor overlap in the two industries, but they arent THAT large. Im not going to be replacing my tablet with a WiiU pad, and the same applies vice versa.[/QUOTE]

There is a lot of people that causally use Tablets, especially as coffee table tech toys, I'm one of those people, and I think the Wii U will eat into that market some.

[QUOTE=MadOdorMachine;35920442]The real killer will be if you can use it for web browsing, Netflix, Skype, etc. They could make it an iPad killer.[/QUOTE]

Um what? Maybe a Kindle Fire killer but iPad is far more than a media device. It has advanced contention creation software for photo editing, movie editing, document creation, etc. It's a computer.

[QUOTE=Cheebo;35922140]Um what? Maybe a Kindle Fire killer but iPad is far more than a media device. It has advanced contention creation software for photo editing, movie editing, document creation, etc. It's a computer.[/QUOTE]

It's a fucking Etch-a-Sketch.
:P