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Fugu 02-22-2012 09:11 PM

[QUOTE=Akuun;35374188]Ok, sounds like we're mostly in agreement about Lambda. I main Lambda, play offline and one of my most played matchups is against Rachel, which is why I was confused when you started drawing parallels between the two. Anyway, back to Rachel.


George is not infallible, but he is a very good oki tool (Cue "George is the best character in the game" jokes).

You can jump straight out of George if he is thrown down midscreen or if you're standing because he takes some time before he activates, but after a corner knockdown George is effectively a meaty if thrown at the end of Rachel's combo. The reason why I think he is such a good oki tool is because he locks down a lot of your escape options in that situation. I don't think waking up with 1f invincibility moves is effective if Rachel is close to you and blocking, because then she would simply block the wakeup move and then George would shock you, allowing Rachel to follow up with a combo that usually ends with meaty George again.

Here's the way I see it. If I'm knocked down in the corner against George oki, and Rachel is sitting near me on the ground, outside throw range and waiting for George to activate, my wakeup options are limited like this:

Tech roll - physically blocked by Rachel and would get shocked by George.
Wakeup throw - out of range.
Wakeup DP - Rachel only needs to block the first hit and wait for George to activate.
Burst - Not a good time to burst, but if I did, the above would apply again.

Basically all I can do is neutral tech and block, which gives Rachel a free pass into going in for pressure and mixups. All of my escape options are AFTER blocking George. Like you said, they're only a few free hits, but they are significant because it gives her free momentum. Maybe Rachel's corner pressure is easier for you to deal with because Litchi has much better melee than Lambda, but once Rachel has me in the corner, it's very hard to get out. I have very few points to mash/run/jump out, which makes it relatively simple for the Rachel player to deny those escape attempts with a little bit of reading.

But I suppose that's fair, since Rachel has a hard time getting in on Lambda in the first place.

Does Litchi's DP outright kill George? I think most DPs don't. Maybe that's why George seems like less of a threat to you than it does to me.

By the way, where have you been playing offline? Just curious, because I don't see you around the local arcade much and we're both from the same area.[/QUOTE]
I play with my friends a lot. I don't get out to Lovegety much because it was far as hell from where I used to live. Where I am now is a lot closer to it and now that the YRT strike is over I may make more of an effort to come out; the last time I went I ended up having to walk from Highway 7 and Kennedy which took about three hours.

Litchi's DP both kills George and pushes Rachel back (assuming it hits her), but it is still -23 on block. However, all 1F invincible DPs will force Rachel to consider them and adjust her pressure accordingly, diminishing George's effectiveness.

[QUOTE=Prototype-03;35376386]Shout outs to George not being a great oki tool. It might actually be best oki in the game that is not a super. Sure, Litchi's dd and Carl's & Relius' doll dd are far superior, but remember that Rachel is not using 50% meter.[/QUOTE]This is a response to both of you simultaneously I guess.
It is a great oki tool, but it's not the best, at least I don't think so. Actually, it depends on the paramters of the argument -- as an isolated tool, George accomplishes a lot of goals, but I would argue that there are a few characters that have better meterless corner oki than Rachel, Litchi and Carl being two of them. In fact, maybe the reason I don't think George is that good is because 2D staff set accomplishes basically the same thing with less specific circumstances surrounding its setup (but more circumstances surrounding its use I guess -- I can't just throw out moves for free).

Akuun 02-22-2012 09:17 PM

[QUOTE=Fugu;35381730]I play with my friends a lot. I don't get out to Lovegety much because it was far as hell from where I used to live. Where I am now is a lot closer to it and now that the YRT strike is over I may make more of an effort to come out; the last time I went I ended up having to walk from Highway 7 and Kennedy which took about three hours.[/QUOTE]
Ouch. Yeah, I remember hearing about how far it was for you. Understandable.

cj_iwakura 02-22-2012 11:53 PM

Extend get!


Anyone down?

Prototype-03 02-22-2012 11:58 PM

[QUOTE=cj_iwakura;35386426]Extend get!


Anyone down?[/QUOTE]

Maybe in like an hour.

cj_iwakura 02-23-2012 12:03 AM

[QUOTE=Prototype-03;35386531]Maybe in like an hour.[/QUOTE]

Can't unhear Rachel saying it.

Master Milk 02-23-2012 01:18 AM

man, everyone hates platinum u_u

Ferrio 02-23-2012 01:19 AM

[QUOTE=Master Milk;35388960]man, everyone hates platinum u_u[/QUOTE]


I don't :(

cj_iwakura 02-23-2012 01:23 AM

God Relius is such a boss. New main possibly get.

Roto13 02-23-2012 01:32 AM

[QUOTE=Master Milk;35388960]man, everyone hates platinum u_u[/QUOTE]

Platinum suuuuucks

nicoga3000 02-23-2012 01:53 AM

Turns out Tsubaki is a lot of fun. I'm going to spend some time with her and see what I can figure out. I tried some of her challenges and already enjoy some of what she can do. Learning to stay relatively calm when faced with an enemy is another story, though. ;)

Master Milk 02-23-2012 02:17 AM

so it turns out that i'm so used to picking monochrome, that if i'm not actively thinking about which color to choose, i do it automatically

even when i'm not looking x_x

The Grim Heaper 02-23-2012 02:36 AM

[QUOTE=Master Milk;35388960]man, everyone hates platinum u_u[/QUOTE]

I don't, she's my favorite. :3

Niter 02-23-2012 02:39 AM

For US Vita version, does it require a memory card?

nicoga3000 02-23-2012 02:43 AM

[QUOTE=Niter;35391903]For US Vita version, does it require a memory card?[/QUOTE]

Yes, it does.

cj_iwakura 02-23-2012 02:43 AM

[QUOTE=nicoga3000;35390342]Turns out Tsubaki is a lot of fun. I'm going to spend some time with her and see what I can figure out. I tried some of her challenges and already enjoy some of what she can do. Learning to stay relatively calm when faced with an enemy is another story, though. ;)[/QUOTE]

Her BNB (BBCCetc.) is one of the most fun in the game. Great for doing massive damage, especially if you follow up with her 6C/4C after knocking them away with 2CC.

Prototype-03 02-23-2012 02:51 AM

[QUOTE=cj_iwakura;35392062]Her BNB (BBCCetc.) is one of the most fun in the game. Great for doing massive damage, especially if you follow up with her 6C/4C after knocking them away with 2CC.[/QUOTE]

Tsubaki has a flawed game. She's a rushdown character that needs to stop the pressure for charges. I'm expecting a huge overhaul for her in BB3 since she's blind and everything. Hopefully something about gaining a stock of charge at the end of a combo ala HOS.

goldlion054 02-23-2012 02:56 AM

[QUOTE=Prototype-03;35392347]Tsubaki has a flawed game. She's a rushdown character that needs to stop the pressure for charges. I'm expecting a huge overhaul for her in BB3 since she's blind and everything. Hopefully something about gaining a stock of charge at the end of a combo ala HOS.[/QUOTE]

But floating down, charging like a boss after an air combo is one of the best parts of this game. I know I generally have to work to get back in afterwards, but Its always worth it

Prototype-03 02-23-2012 02:57 AM

[QUOTE=goldlion054;35392526]But floating down, charging like a boss after an air combo is one of the best parts of this game. I know I generally have to work to get back in afterwards, but Its always worth it[/QUOTE]

Haha, it's okay. The prob with air charge is that you cannot block right before landing.

Akuun 02-23-2012 03:01 AM

Also, Tsubaki Install combo is iirc almost as cool as Ragna's Blood Kain combos.

goldlion054 02-23-2012 03:03 AM

[QUOTE=Prototype-03;35392573]Haha, it's okay. The prob with air charge is that you cannot block right before landing.[/QUOTE]

I only air charge after a hard knockdown from an air combo. But if people are doing it randomly, then you know they are playing for style. I might just have to incorporate random Air charging into my game for the style factor

nicoga3000 02-23-2012 03:09 AM

My favorite part is that I have NO idea what you all are talking about. :P

Prototype-03 02-23-2012 03:11 AM

[QUOTE=nicoga3000;35392893]My favorite part is that I have NO idea what you all are talking about. :P[/QUOTE]

Tsubaki's air charge has a landing animation. During this animation, you cannot block/attack/do anything, so you're a standing dummy. Which doesn't make sense because if I remember correctly, you can attack or even air block in the air right after the charge.

Busaiku 02-23-2012 03:14 AM

[QUOTE=Master Milk;35388960]man, everyone hates platinum u_u[/QUOTE]

It was Platinum that made me want to get into BlazBlue!

cj_iwakura 02-23-2012 03:16 AM

[QUOTE=Busaiku;35393045]It was Platinum that made me want to get into BlazBlue![/QUOTE]

I'm not sure how I feel about Platinum. 1/3rd awesome, 2/3rds drive me crazy.
(And I don't just mean her personality.)

SephirothRK 02-23-2012 03:41 AM

I left early cause I wanted to watch Cross Assault. I've played the game for about a hour D:, going through the challenges. Didn't realize there was more than 10 trials per character, I thought Relius #10 was too easy until it went on to the 11th. D: I'll get there, I need to watch more videos and practice[spoiler]steal[/spoiler] combos.

Akuun 02-23-2012 05:58 AM

Came across a set of tutorial videos for Tsubaki. They're in Japanese, but maybe they'll still help. It's a four-part thing, with links to the other parts in the video description:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLCXv-Nvx1g[/url]

[QUOTE=cj_iwakura;35393106]I'm not sure how I feel about Platinum. 1/3rd awesome, 2/3rds drive me crazy.
(And I don't just mean her personality.)[/QUOTE]
I think I know what you mean. Some of her comically large moves are awesome, but the way she endlessly vomits hearts and sparkles while fighting causes mental damage.

nicoga3000 02-23-2012 06:09 AM

[QUOTE=Akuun;35397130]Came across a set of tutorial videos for Tsubaki. They're in Japanese, but maybe they'll still help. It's a four-part thing, with links to the other parts in the video description:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLCXv-Nvx1g[/url][/QUOTE]

Dear lord, Tsubaki is faster and more pressing than I initially thought. She moves across the screen like woah...Thanks for posting that! I'll spend some time watching and (trying) to learn. Crazy cool, haha.

Filth 02-23-2012 06:21 AM

I bought a vita today. Should I download this game? I'm a fighting game fan and I can't wait for the new street fighter. I'm
Just worried its hard to perform moves on the vita. Which btw is the most insane handheld I've ever played. !!!

The Take Out Bandit 02-23-2012 06:56 AM

SCIENCE!
 
[QUOTE=Philooch;35397519]I bought a vita today. Should I download this game? I'm a fighting game fan and I can't wait for the new street fighter. I'm
Just worried its hard to perform moves on the vita. Which btw is the most insane handheld I've ever played. !!![/QUOTE]

I'd argue this would be a better choice due to button limitations on the Vita. BlazBlue uses four buttons, Vita has four face buttons, go for broke. I don't count shoulder buttons, sorry. ;)

Speaking of broke - I may have to finally pop this in tomorrow and get warmed up. Need more hours in the day. =_=

goldlion054 02-23-2012 07:32 AM

Getting my teeth into story mode for the first time..... well, ever. Didn't play it much in CT. But, those gag endings are soooooo great. Only been through a few, but they are amazing so far. I loved Rachel's with the glasses. And I appreciate how they all make fun of Jin's obsession with Ragna.

And the "Help Me Miss Kokonoe" stuff is great too. I truly love Arc System Works

also, Relius Clover terrifies me...... seriously

Tailer 02-23-2012 09:20 AM

[QUOTE=Roto13;35389515]Platinum suuuuucks[/QUOTE]

But but... I love her she's freaking awesome :P

Oh well will probably have blazblue next week on Wednesday, so feel free to add me on vita username is "Taileru-Kun" I'm kinda decent at the game so don't expect me to be pro :P.

Tobe 02-23-2012 09:41 AM

platinum is way harder than i though still she is moe tier, might as well invest the time any scrub players in here for a couple of matches tomorrow any time EST

Trojita 02-23-2012 12:55 PM

I played a little bit of Blazblue on my Vita last night. Seems like a perfect port of the console version. Very fluid. I still need to figure out whether to use the d-pad or analog and how to grip the console to play the game effectively

nicoga3000 02-23-2012 01:07 PM

[QUOTE=Trojita;35401810]I played a little bit of Blazblue on my Vita last night. Seems like a perfect port of the console version. Very fluid. I still need to figure out whether to use the d-pad or analog and how to grip the console to play the game effectively[/QUOTE]

Having never played the game anywhere but the Vita, I can agree that this feels like a portable console game versus a portable game (if that makes sense). VERY well done.

As for gripping, I've been good with the standard...Uh...Grip? But I've been looking at the PDP Trigger Grips. Once I find some close by, I'll be grabbing a pair - makes the Vita more like a PS3/360 controller in form.

Trojita 02-23-2012 01:12 PM

This might sound weird, but I never played the Story Mode in the original Blazblue, and still haven't played my Continuum Shift copy.

Is the story mode in this the same as the other games just EXTENDed? I'll play the first game's story line if it means I won't miss out on some of the story.

DoctorWho 02-23-2012 01:17 PM

[QUOTE=Trojita;35401810]I played a little bit of Blazblue on my Vita last night. Seems like a perfect port of the console version. Very fluid. I still need to figure out whether to use the d-pad or analog and how to grip the console to play the game effectively[/QUOTE]

The game looks beautiful on the Vita. No way would I used the analog stick for this. D-Pad for me. My normal grip works just fine.


[QUOTE=nicoga3000;35401944]Having never played the game anywhere but the Vita, I can agree that this feels like a portable console game versus a portable game (if that makes sense). VERY well done.

As for gripping, I've been good with the standard...Uh...Grip? But I've been looking at the PDP Trigger Grips. Once I find some close by, I'll be grabbing a pair - makes the Vita more like a PS3/360 controller in form.[/QUOTE]

Most games I have on Vita feel like portable console games instead of just portable games. The only exceptions might be HSG, Super Stardust and Lumines

Skilletor 02-23-2012 01:29 PM

Blazblue is perfect on this console. The DPAD is amazing and the buttons are awesome. I hold the Vita like a do a DS2, one hand on the console, with it resting on my legs to press buttons.

Can't wait for Tekken, SC, and DoA on the Vita. Going to be hot fiah.

I3rand0 02-23-2012 01:30 PM

Amazon has the PS3 LE back in stock if you need a replacement. Mine is arriving tomorrow.

[url]http://www.amazon.com/BlazBlue-Continuum-EXTEND-Limited-sony-playstation3/dp/B006VB2V7W/ref=pd_sim_vg_2[/url]

DoctorWho 02-23-2012 01:30 PM

[QUOTE=Skilletor;35402180]Blazblue is perfect on this console. The DPAD is amazing and the buttons are awesome. I hold the Vita like a do a DS2, one hand on the console, with it resting on my legs to press buttons.

Can't wait for Tekken, SC, and DoA on the Vita. Going to be hot fiah.[/QUOTE]

I wish Scamco would drop the price of PSP Soul Calibur. :/

sixteen-bit 02-23-2012 02:15 PM

[QUOTE=Trojita;35401995]This might sound weird, but I never played the Story Mode in the original Blazblue, and still haven't played my Continuum Shift copy.

Is the story mode in this the same as the other games just EXTENDed? I'll play the first game's story line if it means I won't miss out on some of the story.[/QUOTE]

The CT story in this is a tighter reconstruction of the original. The CS story is exactly the same as the previous console release, except 4 new scenarios for the new characters.

Master Milk 02-23-2012 02:29 PM

[QUOTE=_dementia;35402935]The CT story in this is a tighter reconstruction of the original. The CS story is exactly the same as the previous console release, except 4 new scenarios for the new characters.[/QUOTE]

I think there's also two other extra scenarios for random stuff. It looks like it on the select screen anyway. Haven't bothered to go through them yet.

StayDead 02-23-2012 02:52 PM

[QUOTE=Akselziys;35361355]Very nice ;)

They'll be released weekly, until all 7 system voice/announcer DLC are released :)

[spoiler]Platinum is 2nd to last XD;[/spoiler][/QUOTE]


:O

You monsters. I've got a long wait ahead of me. :(

Esura 02-23-2012 03:14 PM

Hey Prototype-03, since you main Rachel, whats your tips for using her? Figured I might as well learn her if I'm going to try to learn I-no of all characters on AC PSN.

Volcynika 02-23-2012 03:20 PM

I just spent the past two days burning through Asura's Wrath, so I should be back on within a day or two. Maybe I can put in a good bit of time Sunday.

Prototype-03 02-23-2012 05:33 PM

[QUOTE=Volcynika;35404175]I just spent the past two days burning through Asura's Wrath, so I should be back on within a day or two. Maybe I can put in a good bit of time Sunday.[/QUOTE]

NOBODY MISSES YOU ANYWAY :(

[QUOTE=Esura;35404052]Hey Prototype-03, since you main Rachel, whats your tips for using her? Figured I might as well learn her if I'm going to try to learn I-no of all characters on AC PSN.[/QUOTE]

Hmm... what tips do you need specifically? Keep in mind that I haven't really touched her seriously for a while. I think I got ONE midscreen BNB yesterday out of like... 10-20 matches... so I'm really out of touch with her. The main thing is to learn when to use wind and setting up pumpkins/frogs.

The main midscreen BNB that I would suggest you learning is 6A, 5B, sj.C, 2D, jc, [delay], j2C (level 2), 236B, j.C, dj, j.C, j.214C, (land), frog. Her 6A is really versatile since it can be used on the ground, or as an AA. On counterhit AA 6A, you wanna run up to the opponent a little bit and then 5B, then finish combo as usual.

I DO hear that the new thing to do is 6A, 5B, sj.C, 2D, jc, [delay], j2C (level2), 2A [whiff], 5C[whiff]C to put the opponent into the corner... but again I would have to mess around with it.

Volcynika 02-23-2012 05:44 PM

[QUOTE=Prototype-03;35407728]NOBODY MISSES YOU ANYWAY :([/QUOTE]

We haven't even played once! :(

Salaadin 02-23-2012 05:45 PM

Blazblue Vita is gorgeous. And that D-pad works surprisingly well. Very happy with it.

So story mode in this requires playthroughs of certain characters to unlock others? Im assuming that certain endings unlock certain characters, etc? Is there a good guide anywhere that lays this all out?

When I booted it last night and saw the menu pop up with all the various game modes, I was shocked. Theres a lot to do here.

TheExodu5 02-23-2012 05:48 PM

[QUOTE=DoctorWho;35402050]Most games I have on Vita feel like portable console games instead of just portable games. The only exceptions might be HSG, Super Stardust and Lumines[/QUOTE]

HSG feels like a portable console game...it's basically a better version of HSG5.

blackflag 02-23-2012 05:53 PM

[QUOTE=Skilletor;35402180]Blazblue is perfect on this console. The DPAD is amazing and the buttons are awesome. I hold the Vita like a do a DS2, one hand on the console, with it resting on my legs to press buttons.

Can't wait for Tekken, SC, and DoA on the Vita. Going to be hot fiah.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it definitely has an amazing d-pad. So easy to pull off moves. It is a tad small for my huge hands but I got used to it pretty much already.

nicoga3000 02-23-2012 05:54 PM

Just bought a pair of PDP Trigger Grips. As soon as I get out of work, I'll be trying BlazBlue to see how it feels with a bit of palm support on the Vita. :)


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