[QUOTE=Majanew;36372688]I'm not talking about anything other than the tablet. It's [I]the[/I] reason I will not buy a Wii U... same reason I never owned a Wii. No thanks. MS may release some touchscreen controller someday, but I wouldn't expect it for a long time, nor do I believe it would ever replace the Xbox's controller -- just like Kinect won't/can't.

If MS makes one and Microsoft's design is like that one fan mock-up where the screen can be place at the bottom or even the top of a 360-styled controller, then that would be much better.[/QUOTE]

You never bought a Wii because it has a tablet controller?

[QUOTE=MYE;36370270][IMG]http://attackofthefanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/wii-u.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://attackofthefanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Wii-U.jpg[/IMG]

Embrace the sweet, sweet future of gaming, naysayers

The kid in me is crawling up a wall to play with this thing :)
I'd probably shit my pants and pass out if someone showed me this pic in the 90s and told me this would be a regular console controller in the future.[/QUOTE]

Seems pretty gimmicky. Only way I could see myself using that is when I have to take a shit or something, and I'm not so addicted to video games that I can't take a 5 minute break.

[QUOTE=StickSoldier;36372767]You never bought a Wii because it has a tablet controller?[/QUOTE]

Referring to the default controller being something I do not like.

[QUOTE=Majanew;36372782]Referring to the default controller being something I do not like.[/QUOTE]

This is my controller. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My controller is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My controller, without me, is useless. Without my controller, I am useless.

[QUOTE=jump_button;36372907]This is my controller. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My controller is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.
My controller, without me, is useless. Without my controller, I am useless.[/QUOTE]

Cute.

[QUOTE=MYE;36370270][IMG]http://attackofthefanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/wii-u.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://attackofthefanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Wii-U.jpg[/IMG]

Embrace the sweet, sweet future of gaming, naysayers

The kid in me is crawling up a wall to play with this thing :)
I'd probably shit my pants and pass out if someone showed me this pic in the 90s and told me this would be a regular console controller in the future.[/QUOTE]

The kid in you is having finger cramps and wishing he asked for something else as a present.


I'm sure they'll be one or two games that make use of that thing well (like Boom Blox did for Wii.) but it will be an impediment for every other game.

Hmm...the next gen is continuing to make it easier and easier for me to just go straight PC.

If I can't play games with a standard controller, or keyboard and mouse, while my tubby butt sits and relaxes...I won't play. Music games excluded of course.

Who agree that in case MS pulls this (to copy Wii U) that USA media will act stupid and ignore Nintendo. Just like how they did with EyeToy?

[QUOTE=Globox_82;36373070]Who agree that in case MS pulls this (to copy Wii U) that USA media will act stupid and ignore Nintendo. Just like how they did with EyeToy?[/QUOTE]

heh probably

Jesus, there are certain threads on GAF, fuelled with hype and pre-E3 syndrome, that really are full of shitty remarks, predictions and comments.

A lot of you really are ridiculously ignorant.

[QUOTE=Globox_82;36373070]Who agree that in case MS pulls this (to copy Wii U) that USA media will act stupid and ignore Nintendo. Just like how they did with EyeToy?[/QUOTE]

Are you sure you're not the one acting stupid?

[QUOTE=Globox_82;36373070]Who agree that in case MS pulls this (to copy Wii U) that USA media will act stupid and ignore Nintendo. Just like how they did with EyeToy?[/QUOTE]

MuuuuricAAAA ..fuck yeah...

Seriously, its bound to happen.

[QUOTE=Majanew;36372782]Referring to the default controller being something I do not like.[/QUOTE]

What is the problem with a tablet controller? It seems to have all the original functionality of a standard controller with the added advantage of an additional screen.

[QUOTE=JasonMCG;34996328]Nintendo better have more tricks up it sleeve than just a controller with a screen if this is true.[/QUOTE]

Just like how Move and Kinect killed the Wii...

Tablet controller has fantastic possibilities. I'm far more excited about it than I eer was for half-assed, inaccurate motion controls. Ditch Kinect, go tablet.

[QUOTE=PrinceOfApathy;36372672]I don't know why anyone is surprised. Microsoft has never once hidden their agenda of having the living room and more connected to their "hub". This isn't exactly news, that is what the massive losses on the Xbox have been all about, its what the 360 has been about and what Kinect has been about. I just never thought they'd pull the trigger so soon, but this is systematic and the planning was brilliant. When the Kinect/Hub dominates all aspects next gen, just remember you are the problem that caused it to succeed.

I'm pushing 40 anyway. The writing was always on the wall for me to bail out, maybe my gaming time has passed. Maybe I'll buy a boat and take up fishing. I'm just waiting to see what Sony is doing....[/QUOTE]

What a drama queen. You think they are building gigantic studios like 343 to build casual games? You don't think MS is fully aware of the market demographics that they currently hold this gen? They had stuff like that at 360 launch so I imagine it'll just be nicer and easier. A gaming console with apple TV like ease of use and streaming is a GOOD THING.

[quote]Microsoft are experimenting with a tablet-like controller with a shape closer to Sony's sleek Vita handheld / Apple's iPad than Wii U's bulky unit - it's an HD screen surrounded by the traditional 360 buttons and sticks.[/quote]

So what the Wii U controller should have been. Cool.

[QUOTE=PrinceOfApathy;36372672]When the Kinect/Hub dominates all aspects next gen, just remember you are the problem that caused it to succeed.
[/QUOTE]

I plan to light 12 scented candles in a circle around me and whip myself with thorny branches for letting this come to pass. I hope this makes up for what I have done.

[QUOTE=Nils;36373821]I plan to light 12 scented candles in a circle around me and whip myself with thorny branches for letting this come to pass. I hope this makes up for what I have done.[/QUOTE]

Stop you are making me horny.

I think it's a safe assumption that Microsoft makes more money from an online game purchase than an actual physical copy. Having a device with similar power to the current 360 without an optical drive for $100 isn't exactly a bad idea in my opinion; even more so when you factor in that you can't buy used games so all of your digital downloads are going to the publisher/ms

Also I doubt the new xbox will have a Wii U styled controller, at least standard. That actually hurt the Wii as far as software sales went. It was fun to play mini-games but a fucking chore sometimes to play an actual game.

[QUOTE=Anth0ny;36373776]So what the Wii U controller should have been. Cool.[/QUOTE]

In what way are the Vita & the iPad similar in design?

[QUOTE=Cerebral Assassin;36373967]In what way are the Vita & the iPad similar in design?[/QUOTE]

They don't look like toys.

With all those rumors we could well assume that someone is overlooking every second of xbox 720 development and releases the data on a constant basis

[QUOTE=snoopeasystreet;36373990]They don't look like toys.[/QUOTE]

yeah with big colourful buttons

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/nVPC7.jpg[/IMG]

who would think that would look like a toy?

[QUOTE=nasos_333;36374036]With all those rumors we could well assume that someone is overlooking every second of xbox 720 development and releases the data on a constant basis[/QUOTE]

I bet most of what we've heard so far is bullshit.

[QUOTE=jump_button;36374172]yeah with big colourful buttons

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/nVPC7.jpg[/IMG]

who would think that would look like a toy?[/QUOTE]

Simon Says?

[QUOTE=Globox_82;36373070]Who agree that in case MS pulls this (to copy Wii U) that USA media will act stupid and ignore Nintendo. Just like how they did with EyeToy?[/QUOTE]

If you're implying that the media ignored the PS3's Eyetoy over Kinect, then you're on the wrong track. The Eyetoy was nothing special. Kinect on the other hand was a brand new, affordable fantastic piece of tech (though, maybe not gaming-wise). It's been used in lab experiments all around the world and amazing technical demos and potential that the Eyetoy could never achieve.

I'll just take the wait and see approach

[QUOTE=Globox_82;36373070]Who agree that in case MS pulls this (to copy Wii U) that USA media will act stupid and ignore Nintendo. Just like how they did with EyeToy?[/QUOTE]

The eyetoy didn't sell because it was a worthless piece of "potential" tech without any games worth buying. Kinect Adventures by itself is better than every application ever made for the Eyetoy.

MS and Nintendo wouldn't be killing gaming by putting a screen in the controller, the Dreamcast had a screen-controller peripheral, the GCN had the GBA-connectivity options, the PS3 has remote play for PSP and Vita. If this rumor has any validity, it would simply be MS conceding that Apple and Nintendo having input options unavailable to them would put them in a compromising position entering next generation.

I doubt Microsoft will bother copying the Wii U controller. They are about Kinect and the obvious extension of that is stereoscopic 3D and head-tracking.


A Kinect sensor is on/near a TV. Why the heck would Microsoft desire for people move their eyes away from on screen action to something you hold in your hands? The break apart controller makes more sense. The base controller will be a refined version of the XB360 pad with maybe a couple of kidney bean face buttons and improved haptics for better gun recoil effects and so on.

[QUOTE=PrinceOfApathy;36372672]I don't know why anyone is surprised. Microsoft has never once hidden their agenda of having the living room and more connected to their "hub". This isn't exactly news, that is what the massive losses on the Xbox have been all about, its what the 360 has been about and what Kinect has been about. I just never thought they'd pull the trigger so soon, but this is systematic and the planning was brilliant. When the Kinect/Hub dominates all aspects next gen, just remember you are the problem that caused it to succeed.

I'm pushing 40 anyway. The writing was always on the wall for me to bail out, maybe my gaming time has passed. Maybe I'll buy a boat and take up fishing. I'm just waiting to see what Sony is doing....[/QUOTE]
It’s still baffling that people are surprised by change. [I]Every[/I] generation has made changes in gaming, services and input devices. This isn’t really new and shocking, this is common sense; you have to stand out from the crowd. That is one of the factors that made the Wii and Kinect successful. While motion controls are still for most part still not there, they will be included in all upcoming consoles and even the PC (in some form or another). Anybody thinking it won’t be is being naïve; it will get bigger. Will it replace the regular controller? It could happen but that isn’t going to happen upcoming gen ― no rumour has stated that the controller won't be back too or stated that the console will be Kinect only functional.

As far as providing services, that isn’t only what MS is focused on; Sony and Nintendo are making strides in this space too. Consoles are [B][U]not[/U][/B] going to stay exclusive game machines, the market for providing services has grown and all the console manufactures notice that. The fact that people think that Sony isn’t going to grown it’s service portfolio is weird, they experimented with music and comic book service (both didn’t succeed, if I recall). It is all focused on getting more costumers to buy their product, this is smart and gives you a leg up from the competitors.

You seriously think that Sony and Nintendo are not positioning it’s console as a media hub? That is like saying they only think with the gamer in mind. No company thinks that way, they all want to grab [I]all[/I] kinds of demographics. It’s naïve to think that they are only focused on you. And no, this isn’t exclusive to this gen, every generation has had the mentality to chase a bigger crowd. Not catering to a crowd is like throwing money away. Console manufactures furthermore cut out a source of revenue, which I [I]doubt[/I] they will pass on.

I know that all of this going to sound controversial, but it isn’t; next generation is going to be an extension of this generation ― tripe A titles will exist, “casual/social” will get bigger, rise in indie development, rise in services, rise in XBLA/PSN/Wiiware games etc. New trends will emerge and all console manufactures will [I]adapt[/I].

[QUOTE=Majanew;36372688]I'm not talking about anything other than the tablet. It's [I]the[/I] reason I will not buy a Wii U... same reason I never owned a Wii. No thanks. MS may release some touchscreen controller someday, but I wouldn't expect it for a long time, nor do I believe it would ever replace the Xbox's controller -- just like Kinect won't/can't.

If MS makes one and Microsoft's design is like that one fan mock-up where the screen can be place at the bottom or even the top of a 360-styled controller, then that would be much better.[/QUOTE]

The next Xbox's controller is going to be different from the 360's controller, you know.

[QUOTE=B_Rik_Schitthaus;36373051]The kid in you is having finger cramps and wishing he asked for something else as a present.


I'm sure they'll be one or two games that make use of that thing well (like Boom Blox did for Wii.) but it will be an impediment for every other game.[/QUOTE]

It's a bog-standard dual-analog pad. I don't see how one could make an assumption like that based on the fact that it has an additional interface available to it in the form of a touch screen.

[QUOTE=TheOddOne;36375248]It’s still baffling that people are surprised by change. [I]Every[/I] generation has made changes in gaming, services and input devices. This isn’t really new and shocking, this is common sense; you have to stand out from the crowd. That is one of the factors that made the Wii and Kinect successful. While motion controls are still for most part still not there, they will be included in all upcoming consoles and even the PC (in some form or another). Anybody thinking it won’t be is being naïve; it will get bigger. Will it replace the regular controller? It could happen but that isn’t going to happen upcoming gen ― no rumour has stated that the controller won't be back too or stated that the console will be Kinect only functional.

As far as providing services, that isn’t only what MS is focused on; Sony and Nintendo are making strides in this space too. Consoles are [B][U]not[/U][/B] going to stay exclusive game machines, the market for providing services has grown and all the console manufactures notice that. The fact that people think that Sony isn’t going to grown it’s service portfolio is weird, they experimented with music and comic book service (both didn’t succeed, if I recall). It is all focused on getting more costumers to buy their product, this is smart and gives you a leg up from the competitors.

You seriously think that Sony and Nintendo are not positioning it’s console as a media hub? That is like saying they only think with the gamer in mind. No company thinks that way, they all want to grab [I]all[/I] kinds of demographics. It’s naïve to think that they are only focused on you. And no, this isn’t exclusive to this gen, every generation has had the mentality to chase a bigger crowd. Not catering to a crowd is like throwing money away. Console manufactures furthermore cut out a source of revenue, which I [I]doubt[/I] they will pass on.

I know that all of this going to sound controversial, but it isn’t; next generation is going to be an extension of this generation ― tripe A titles will exist, “casual/social” will get bigger, rise in indie development, rise in services, rise in XBLA/PSN/Wiiware games etc. New trends will emerge and all console manufactures will [I]adapt[/I].[/QUOTE]

Great post.

[QUOTE=GarthVaderUK;36374252]I bet most of what we've heard so far is bullshit.[/QUOTE]

Well, they are not called rumors for nothing :P

[QUOTE=Ubermatik;36373132]Jesus, there are certain threads on GAF, fuelled with hype and pre-E3 syndrome, that really are full of shitty remarks, predictions and comments.

A lot of you really are ridiculously ignorant.[/QUOTE]

Shut up you stupid Nintendo fanboy, I'm with the others: that tablet is a gimmick that doesn't enhance my gaming experience in a visceral way.

[spoiler]Of course I luv you and I agree with your last sentence[/spoiler]

wait the Wii U is going to have those shitty little 3DS slide pads instead of proper analogs?

[QUOTE=Ninja Scooter;36377731]wait the Wii U is going to have those shitty little 3DS slide pads instead of proper analogs?[/QUOTE]

These are bigger than the "shitty little 3DS slide pad" which already works perfectly fine...

[QUOTE=rouken;36368636]not sure where to post this.. but im smh if true

[URL="http://www.vg247.com/2012/03/26/rumour-microsoft-to-unveil-360-based-xbox-lite-for-late-2013/"]Rumour: Microsoft to unveil Xbox Lite for late 2013 at E3[/URL][/QUOTE]

All of these cheap xbox SKUs sound more like another fab process shrink and another remodeled 360 instead of new hardware. Doesn't make any sense to have two sets of new hardware in two different SKUs when they already have cost efficient hardware they've been working on for years.

[QUOTE=Globox_82;36373070]Who agree that in case MS pulls this (to copy Wii U) that USA media will act stupid and ignore Nintendo. Just like how they did with EyeToy?[/QUOTE]

Yes because Kinect is clearly just an EyeToy with big marketing.......clearly.

[QUOTE=Ninja Scooter;36377731]wait the Wii U is going to have those shitty little 3DS slide pads instead of proper analogs?[/QUOTE]

Yes.

And no pressure sensitive triggers.

I hope Microsoft shows off their next console at this years E3 because I don't know if I can take another year of insane and ridiculous rumors.

[QUOTE=Derrick01;36372768]Seems pretty gimmicky. Only way I could see myself using that is when I have to take a shit or something, and I'm not so addicted to video games that I can't take a 5 minute break.[/QUOTE]

What is gimmicky about it? Seems like a lot of interesting things could come from it. Just having the HUD and all that other nonsense on the tablet as opposed to taking up screen real estate is a big plus in my book.

[QUOTE=B_Rik_Schitthaus;36373051]The kid in you is having finger cramps and wishing he asked for something else as a present.


I'm sure they'll be one or two games that make use of that thing well (like Boom Blox did for Wii.) but it will be an impediment for every other game.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry but this is just completely ignorant. Unlike the Wii, which was admittedly was lacking quite a few buttons (often replaced in games with frustrating gestures), the Wii U has every button that a standard controller has except the clicking joysticks (which I personally hate).

They added a touch screen, and if a developer didn't care to do much with the screen itself, at the very least it could put the game's menus or a map on screen (as you often see on 3DS games).

As for cramping fingers, have you actually used the controller? The only thing I don't like about the controller is the use of the nubs instead of joysticks, but I'll have to see for myself if that actually hurts my experience.

[QUOTE=KageMaru;36378055]All of these cheap xbox SKUs sound more like another fab process shrink and another remodeled 360 instead of new hardware. Doesn't make any sense to have two sets of new hardware in two different SKUs when they already have cost efficient hardware they've been working on for years.[/QUOTE]
It could very well be a new 360 fab process. 2013 seems kind of late, but I suppose they can position it against Wii U. It's a good way to continue generating revenue.

My other theory is that Durango will use 3D stacking and it's either that cheap and efficient to produce or the lite version maybe has reduced clocks, cores, etc to reduce the die size, power, etc and is a DD only box.

[QUOTE=Ninja Scooter;36377731]wait the Wii U is going to have those shitty little 3DS slide pads instead of proper analogs?[/QUOTE]

yeah bro =(

Don't give me a different controller, give me different games that are fun to play.

[QUOTE=Dicer;36377821]These are bigger than the "shitty little 3DS slide pad" which already works perfectly fine...[/QUOTE]

if the 3DS is anything to go by they don't work fine, and are even less acceptable on a full blown console.

[QUOTE=KrawlMan;36378367]
As for cramping fingers, have you actually used the controller? The only thing I don't like about the controller is the use of the nubs instead of joysticks, but I'll have to see for myself if that actually hurts my experience.[/QUOTE]

Of course not many here have used the controller as of yet, so the jury is out on how well the it feels and plays.

Personally speaking I find the regular dualshock/xbox controller to be more comfortable than something like the Vita/3DS.. which aren't bad, but the screen definitely gets in the way. I cannot imagine the Wii U controller will be any better with an even bigger screen in it!

I don't want such a huge and intrusive screen on my controller, I can imagine game developers coming up with new a creative ways of making me divide my attention between my TV and the controller.

TV: Hey look over here!
Controller: Hey, now here look over here, treasure map!!
TV: Hey look back here a bad guy is shooting you!
Controller: Forget those baddies look at this!!!

no thank you

[QUOTE=Quicksilver4648;36378131]I hope Microsoft shows off their next console at this years E3 because I don't know if I can take another year of insane and ridiculous rumors.[/QUOTE]

How is it insane? Considering kinnect and how they responded to this generation it's not insane to think MS will just borrow from nintendo again to keep up with them.

[QUOTE=B_Rik_Schitthaus;36373051]The kid in you is having finger cramps and wishing he asked for something else as a present.


I'm sure they'll be one or two games that make use of that thing well (like Boom Blox did for Wii.) but it will be an impediment for every other game.[/QUOTE]

Uh?

Its a standard controller with a screen in the center.....like a handheld console.
So yeah, i never had issues with handhelds and i fail to see how this will not work with the usual genres that populate the home system landscape.

Might actually turn rts's and other genres more inviting on consoles, actually

[QUOTE=CoffeeExpress;36378740]Personally speaking I find the regular dualshock/xbox controller to be more comfortable than something like the Vita/3DS.. which aren't bad, but the screen definitely gets in the way. I cannot imagine the Wii U controller will be any better with an even bigger screen in it![/QUOTE]

The hell are you talking about? Console controllers are more comfortable than handhelds because they don't have to be designed to fit in your pocket, not because handhelds have a screen.

[QUOTE=MadOdorMachine;36378639]It could very well be a new 360 fab process. 2013 seems kind of late, but I suppose they can position it against Wii U. It's a good way to continue generating revenue.

My other theory is that Durango will use 3D stacking and it's either that cheap and efficient to produce or the lite version maybe has reduced clocks, cores, etc to reduce the die size, power, etc and is a DD only box.[/QUOTE]

Well it's not like they are going to drop the 360 like they dropped the OG xbox, unlike their first system, they are actually profiting per units sold with the 360. IMO games will still be downported to the 360 and PS3 for as long as the software sales justify the investment. If rumors are true that the Wii-U could be closer to current gen performance, that could further extend how much support we see for current gen hardware.

As for your theory, well I'm not really sure it makes sense. If they went with a scaled down Durango model, that would add more cost since they would be manufacturing 3 different configurations (360, 720-lite, & 720-core) which is what these companies work to avoid.

[QUOTE=thuway;34997040]The entire industry uses each other. Do you know how many employees switch between Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony on a daily basis? [/QUOTE]


No, how many?

[QUOTE=KevinCow;36379127]The hell are you talking about? Console controllers are more comfortable than handhelds because they don't have to be designed to fit in your pocket, not because handhelds have a screen.[/QUOTE]

True but screens destroy the ergonomics of a controller. You cant just plomp down 3-6 inch screen onto a controller, even if you design around it, you still have something that is rather large and uncomfortable.

[QUOTE=CoffeeExpress;36379634]True but screens destroy the ergonomics of a controller. You cant just plomp down 3-6 inch screen onto a controller, even if you design around it, you still have something that is rather large and uncomfortable.[/QUOTE]

No. You're wrong. The screen has no relation to why handhelds are less comfortable than console controllers. If handhelds were allowed to be thicker with handles and more ergonomic curves, they could be just as comfortable as a console controller, even with a screen in the middle. But then they wouldn't fit in your pocket.

[QUOTE=fluffydelusions;36378135]What is gimmicky about it? Seems like a lot of interesting things could come from it. Just having the HUD and all that other nonsense on the tablet as opposed to taking up screen real estate is a big plus in my book.[/QUOTE]

That's an inconvenience to me. Having to look down away from the screen to see things I normally see on a large TV isn't a benefit.

[QUOTE=KevinCow;36380180]No. You're wrong. The screen has no relation to why handhelds are less comfortable than console controllers. If handhelds were allowed to be thicker with handles and more ergonomic curves, they could be just as comfortable as a console controller, even with a screen in the middle. But then they wouldn't fit in your pocket.[/QUOTE]

I used handhelds only as an example, I wasn't talking about them there.

Controllers with large screens (and in the case of WiiU) would simply be too big to be comfortable.

Do you think Microsoft and AMD will build a GPU with another EDRAM daughter die with at least 1 TeraBits/sec bandwidth?

Note that the XB360 has an EDRAM daughter die with 256/GigaBits/sec bandwidth. So 1 TeraBits/sec would only be 4x the current XB360.

[QUOTE=herzogzwei1989;36385107]Do you think Microsoft and AMD will build a GPU with another EDRAM daughter die with at least 1 TeraBits/sec bandwidth?

Note that the XB360 has an EDRAM daughter die with 256/GigaBits/sec bandwidth. So 1 TeraBits/sec would only be 4x the current XB360.[/QUOTE]

Not likely, the 360 had edram as a way to get around the bandwidth limitations to the GDDR 3. Next Gen systems likely won't be using memory that slow, making edram less necessary.

Is PC gaming going to be where we all go to use normal controllers? :/

I mean, i'm fine with one person doing something different (whoever is first to that), but FFS just keep your shit normal everyone else who follows. God damn.

[QUOTE=Ninja Scooter;36378711]if the 3DS is anything to go by they don't work fine, and are even less acceptable on a full blown console.[/QUOTE]


They work fine for all the games I used them with, so I don't have any problem with the Wii U using them.

[QUOTE=Derrick01;36380380]That's an inconvenience to me. Having to look down away from the screen to see things I normally see on a large TV isn't a benefit.[/QUOTE]

How about not having to pause your game to bring up an inventory, map or game options because its always there on the controller?

I've been seeing people mention ergonomics.

A standard 360 controller might fit your hands, but your hands are in a position holding it that is far from natural. Your hands normally are far apart. Standard controllers keep your hands close together.

This is not natural. That's why hands cramp after extended play times.

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;36390776]I've been seeing people mention ergonomics.

A standard 360 controller might fit your hands, but your hands are in a position holding it that is far from natural. Your hands normally are far apart. Standard controllers keep your hands close together.

This is not natural. That's why hands cramp after extended play times.[/QUOTE]

True. I love how the Wii set up works...my hands are always pretty spread apart.

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;36390776]I've been seeing people mention ergonomics.

A standard 360 controller might fit your hands, but your hands are in a position holding it that is far from natural. Your hands normally are far apart. Standard controllers keep your hands close together.

This is not natural. That's why hands cramp after extended play times.[/QUOTE]

That is a very good point. From all the Wii U controller impressions I've read, they cited this as one of the reasons the controller was comfy. The second good thing about it was the slide pads that so many here hate, because they allowed for both thumbs to rest on them at the same height.

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;36390776]I've been seeing people mention ergonomics.

A standard 360 controller might fit your hands, but your hands are in a position holding it that is far from natural. Your hands normally are far apart. Standard controllers keep your hands close together.

This is not natural. That's why hands cramp after extended play times.[/QUOTE]
Finally, some reason.
The seemingly standard assumption that the Wii U tablet is less comfortable than a standard controller flies in the face of common sense.

[QUOTE=Thoraxes;36388023]Is PC gaming going to be where we all go to use normal controllers? :/

I mean, i'm fine with one person doing something different (whoever is first to that), but FFS just keep your shit normal everyone else who follows. God damn.[/QUOTE]

Indeed, it looks like we're heading directly into a Kinect-centric, video controller era. Microsoft has been admirably transparent about where they want to go in the future as far as their long-term goals and their enthusiasm for motion controls are concerned.

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;36390776]I've been seeing people mention ergonomics.

A standard 360 controller might fit your hands, but your hands are in a position holding it that is far from natural. Your hands normally are far apart. Standard controllers keep your hands close together.

This is not natural. That's why hands cramp after extended play times.[/QUOTE]

lol, I hate to break it to you but hand cramps have nothing to do with the position of your hands in space. The human body has joints in the shoulders, elbows and wrists which determine where your hands are.

The only thing that will cause hand cramps are actions in which the hands are directly responsible for, like gripping something.

[QUOTE=bigtroyjon;36391075]lol, I hate to break it to you but hand cramps have nothing to do with the position of your hands in space. The human body has joints in the shoulders, elbows and wrists which determine where your hands are.

The only thing that will cause hand cramps are actions in which the hands are directly responsible for, like gripping something.[/QUOTE]
Hows about gripping something in a strange position for hours?

Honestly I just get creeped out by old school controllers because I'm holding the controller like I'm getting ready to fuck something and the only thing that small is a baby, and I don't wanna fuck no babbies.

[QUOTE=goomba;36390092]How about not having to pause your game to bring up an inventory, map or game options because its always there on the controller?[/QUOTE]

You're going to look away from the screen while the game's running, potentially having something happen while you're not looking?

Also what would be the point? Whether you're looking down to check something or doing it through a pause menu, you're still not playing the game. Therefore I repeat...it's a gimmick.

[QUOTE=Derrick01;36391377]You're going to look away from the screen while the game's running, potentially having something happen while you're not looking?

Also what would be the point? Whether you're looking down to check something or doing it through a pause menu, you're still not playing the game. Therefore I repeat...it's a gimmick.[/QUOTE]

If you're going to talk about it being a gimmick then what you're currently saying isn't the gimmick. That'd actually be nice to look down touch a weapon icon, and have it switch.

No the gimmick would be something closer to the ninja stars thing they showed off last E3. Brushing your hand on the screen to throw the stars at the screen. That's gimmicky.

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;36391262]Hows about gripping something in a strange position for hours?

Honestly I just get creeped out by old school controllers because I'm holding the controller like I'm getting ready to fuck something and the only thing that small is a baby, and I don't wanna fuck no babbies.[/QUOTE]

Holding a specific position, while seemingly an inaction, requires the use of certain muscles and muscle groups.

Just thought I'd throw that in there.

And [B]big[/B] congrats to Microsoft if they do indeed proceed with this! The more I read think about it, the more excited I get! =)

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;36391452]If you're going to talk about it being a gimmick then what you're currently saying isn't the gimmick. That'd actually be nice to look down touch a weapon icon, and have it switch.

No the gimmick would be something closer to the ninja stars thing they showed off last E3. Brushing your hand on the screen to throw the stars at the screen. That's gimmicky.[/QUOTE]

No that sounds like a gimmick to me. Touching a weapon icon to switch doesn't add anything to the game that I can't already do through a pause menu without worrying about something coming up and hitting me while I'm doing it.

[QUOTE=Broadbandito;34996170]just give me a regular controller, FUCK[/QUOTE]


At least I know I'm not alone.

[QUOTE=Derrick01;36391583]No that sounds like a gimmick to me. Touching a weapon icon to switch doesn't add anything to the game that I can't already do through a pause menu without worrying about something coming up and hitting me while I'm doing it.[/QUOTE]

Maybe it's different for people that game on DS and 3DS consistently. I've never had a problem with it, and that's in games a hell of a lot faster paced than a Skyrim. Tilting your head by a few degrees more.

Out of all the gimmicky things with the controller, this application seems far and away not. It seems helpful to me.

I just want a regular XBox controller that splits in the middle so I can separate my hands.

That would work wonderfully with Kinect.

And if need be have a screen attachment that can bind the two halves together, that actually has a wire that goes to the console so it doesn't require too much additional horsepower and acts as a charger for the two halves.

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;36391262]Hows about gripping something in a strange position for hours?

Honestly I just get creeped out by old school controllers because I'm holding the controller like I'm getting ready to fuck something and the only thing that small is a baby, and I don't wanna fuck no babbies.[/QUOTE]
What kind of weird fucking babies are you around that are as small as a controller?

[spoiler]let me guess, you are going to say monkey babies[/spoiler]

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;36391262]Hows about gripping something in a strange position for hours?

Honestly I just get creeped out by old school controllers because I'm holding the controller like [B][U]I'm getting ready to fuck something and the only thing that small is a baby[/U][/B], and I don't wanna fuck no babbies.[/QUOTE]



hey now, don't..... you know.... so how small are we talking about?
on topic, all next gen consoles will have a "gimmick" controller. the trick is to pick which is one is less intrusive to regular games.

[QUOTE=bigtroyjon;36391977]What kind of weird fucking babies are you around that are as small as a controller?

[spoiler]let me guess, you are going to say monkey babies[/spoiler][/QUOTE]

It even has the stubby little legs you sick fucks!

[QUOTE=Derrick01;36391377]You're going to look away from the screen while the game's running, potentially having something happen while you're not looking?

Also what would be the point? Whether you're looking down to check something or doing it through a pause menu, you're still not playing the game. Therefore I repeat...it's a gimmick.[/QUOTE]
Isn't that what happens in "real life," though? You need to look down at something and/or read something before you know how to proceed. Maybe you should find a safe place in-game, before you can divert your attention to something you're carrying? Seems pretty realistic to me.

[QUOTE=BowieZ;36392063]Isn't that what happens in "real life," though? You need to look down at something and/or read something before you know how to proceed. Maybe you should find a safe place in-game, before you can divert your attention to something you're carrying? Seems pretty realistic to me.[/QUOTE]

It would indeed add to the sense of realism, which is quite admirable.

"Umm.. hold-on a sec, Mr Zombie. I need to pause to look at my map here. Ah.. mmm.. okay, now I see where I missed my turn. It was two rooms back and to my right! Silly me! Okay then.. unpause! Now, what business did you have with me, Mr Zombie? I'm ready to proceed!"

[QUOTE=BowieZ;36392063]Isn't that what happens in "real life," though? You need to look down at something and/or read something before you know how to proceed. Maybe you should find a safe place in-game, before you can divert your attention to something you're carrying? Seems pretty realistic to me.[/QUOTE]

Yeah no thanks I'll take a pause screen like 99% of every game ever made. Dark Souls if anything reminded me how much I hate not having one for when the phone rings or whatever. The one thing it didn't make me do is think "realism".

[QUOTE=Thoraxes;36388023]Is PC gaming going to be where we all go to use normal controllers? :/

I mean, i'm fine with one person doing something different (whoever is first to that), but FFS just keep your shit normal everyone else who follows. God damn.[/QUOTE]
I'd be pretty sad if the next Playstation didn't come with a Dualshock 4 as standard.

[QUOTE=Thunder Monkey;36391262]Hows about gripping something in a strange position for hours?

Honestly I just get creeped out by old school controllers because I'm holding the controller like I'm getting ready to fuck something and the only thing that small is a baby, and I don't wanna fuck no babbies.[/QUOTE]

Hahahaha, I love you you hairy little bastard. :)

[QUOTE=AzaK;36400350]Hahahaha, I love you you hairy little bastard. :)[/QUOTE]

That's my nickname for his...nevermind.