Fuck controllers and their utility.

[QUOTE=abstract alien;35001047]I don't even want to imagine the terrible things that would come of this from MS. Nintendo and Sony have some nice teams under their hood that can actually create according to the input method. I have zero faith in MS to do the same, but I would love to be proven wrong.[/QUOTE]
Haha, what is this even based on? Like.....what are you even talking about?

[QUOTE=LOCK;35001503]Man we seem to be drowning in rumors lately....[/QUOTE]

If anything we need more.


These rumor threads tend to end up being a Nintendo stealth hate thread.

[QUOTE=phosphor112;35000474]I wonder how many tablet/AR patents Sony will bust out 4 years into the gen to sue MS.[/QUOTE]

None. Sony and Microsoft are both well aware that they violate several of each other's patents; it takes a company like Apple to forget that fact and go sue-happy on the competition.

Lol @ you guys talking about you are going to come on over to our side in the PC wonderland. 10 bucks says MS devs this controller to work on the PC too.

[QUOTE=XOMTOR;35001566]Sheesh, I know tablets are the rage right now but does everything have to be a tablet?

Where's that Captain Picard photo where he's surrounded by a million tablets when you need it?[/QUOTE]

I think so.

The tablet form factor opens up so many more possibilities for the ecosystem Microsoft wants to sell you. Thinking of the next Xbox as just a console is probably way too narrow in scope.

[QUOTE=EloquentM;35001612]If anything we need more.


These rumor threads tend to end up being a Nintendo stealth hate thread.[/QUOTE]

Wait until E3...

That Mass Effect guy reminds me of the guy in Too Human.

[QUOTE=EloquentM;35001612]If anything we need more.

These rumor threads tend to end up being a Nintendo stealth hate thread.[/QUOTE]

Stealth? Psssht.

[QUOTE=EloquentM;35001612]If anything we need more.


These rumor threads tend to end up being a Nintendo stealth hate thread.[/QUOTE]

And that's a good thing because...?

Of course this has to be true. Microsoft and Sony copy Nintendo all the time.

[QUOTE=BY2K;35001843]Wait until E3...[/QUOTE]

I'm taking a break from GAF during that week. Internet rage does not suit my taste.

[QUOTE=cartman414;35001974]And that's a good thing because...?[/QUOTE]

It may or may not increase the likely hood of other rumors being true. One of the many rumors are bound to be true, especially If they line up with other credible sources.

Could be interesting since they would be pushing windows 8

As long as the standard triggers/buttons/sticks are there, I guess there isn't really a reason to complain. Ya, it may be a little bulky, but there if I can still play FPS, racers, and sports games the same way and not throw away the years of invested experience building muscle memory there isn't a loss except maybe in the wallet. I think the other stuff that is turn based or rpg/adventure/party w/ constantly evolving controls will find a way to work.

If this is true I won't be purchasing MS's next console. It's lame, either do your own thing or don't do anything at all.

I think it could be interesting - gives devs an opportunity to extend the limitations provided by the traditional controller (buttons:space ratio).

If it leads to a streamlined way of accessing stuff like menus too, then I won't complain.

Saying that, I have no idea how it WOULD work so I'll remain cautious.

[QUOTE=Monumental;35001582]Haha, what is this even based on? Like.....what are you even talking about?[/QUOTE]

On what planet has MS suddenly become awesome when it comes to great first party dev? Especially when it comes to innovative control input?

The way I simplistically look at it, the less clutter that's on my TV screen, the better. So much menu/item/HUD information can go on the controller.

[QUOTE=Broadbandito;34996170]just give me a regular controller, FUCK[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=Troll;34999388][IMG]http://www.consolesandgadgets.com/catalog/images/Xbox_360_Black_Controller_D-Pad.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

PERFECT.

[QUOTE=Tookay;35002425]The way I simplistically look at it, the less clutter that's on my TV screen, the better. So much menu/item/HUD information can go on the controller, the better.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's my viewpoint.

I think if utilised right it'd be great.

Even for RPG's, what about hotkeys and the like - something that consoles can't currently do to the extent of a PC title, due to controller space.

[QUOTE=Broadbandito;34996170]just give me a regular controller, FUCK[/QUOTE]

Lets go way back. Why do we need analog sticks? Lets get back to wired controllers!

[QUOTE=Tookay;35002425]The way I simplistically look at it, the less clutter that's on my TV screen, the better. So much menu/item/HUD information can go on the controller, the better.[/QUOTE]

Though having vital information on the controller can be jarring considering you're constantly looking away from the TV screen. I was doing something similar with a dual-moniter set-up (playing a game on one screen, game info on the other) and I quickly stopped when I realised how much it increased eye strain and how much I was missing just because of the back and forth. It completed killed my engagement with the game.

[QUOTE=Troll;34999832]Changed tone is a good or bad way?[/QUOTE]

If the person is wanting power then it would be bad. But I noticed that change months before the IGN 6670 rumor.

[QUOTE=Nirolak;35000153]That second one I think you have to take in context of general appearance.

Like, this is what iPhone games look like now:

[url]http://www.abload.de/img/mass-effect-infiltratuio37.jpg[/url]

[url]http://www.abload.de/img/mass-effect-infiltratzqr9e.jpg[/url]

Now, this hardware is significantly worse than the Xbox 360, but I think many people would say this looks like an Xbox 360 game.

You can also just use general multiplication for his point.

If you increased 9x a year, and the Xbox 720 was 9x more powerful than the Xbox 360, as soon as you hit the "360's level", in two years you would be nine times as powerful as the Xbox 720.

I don't think anyone is expecting an 81x jump for the Xbox 360 -> Xbox 720 though.

This would also be a good time for us to note that they probably can't keep 9x a year jumps up. :P[/QUOTE]

I agree with the jump aspect as I think his numbers are (greatly) exaggerated. But he said tech instead of appearance so I can't really take it in the context of appearance.

I'm open to the screen controllers. Bring it on Nintendo and MS :)

[QUOTE=clashfan;35002529]Lets go way back. Why do we need analog sticks? Lets get back to wired controllers![/QUOTE]

Those improved gaming. You have no way of knowing that this will be anything more than a gimmick.

Of course I don't either, but I choose to be skeptical after how this gen's gimmicks went.

[QUOTE=Derrick01;35002818]Those improved gaming. You have no way of knowing that this will be anything more than a gimmick.

Of course I don't either, but I choose to be skeptical after how this gen's gimmicks went.[/QUOTE]

Bububu everything Nintendo does is long-term innovation!!11!

[QUOTE=SparkTR;35002684]Though having vital information on the controller can be jarring considering you're constantly looking away from the TV screen. I was doing something similar with a dual-moniter set-up (playing a game on one screen, game info on the other) and I quickly stopped when I realised how much it increased eye strain and how much of the game I was missing just because of the back and forth. It completed killed my engagement with the game.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's something that will need to be taken very good care of. A lot of ideas sound excellent initially, but I don't think they would work out for the better in actual application. So long as games are designed with the controller in mind, awesome things could come from it. It's very much the same situation as with the wiimote, except this one is a bit more deceptive in how much it could fuck up your game if you shoehorn it.

If even half of the rumors for the next gen consoles are true (anti-used games, motion and tablet controllers, etc) then I will be a 100% PC gamer.

[QUOTE=clashfan;35002529]Lets go way back. Why do we need analog sticks? Lets get back to wired controllers![/QUOTE]

Not every added feature is a worthwhile feature to add.

Frankly I dont see the benefits outweighing the costs with adding a large tablet type screen and tablet functionality to a controller.

It takes away power that could go into the system itself because costs for the components will need to be set aside for the tablet. In all likelihood it will sacrifice a level of controller comfort in order to incorporate the screen. It risks breaking gaming immersion by having to always be aware of a second screen that functions as a pivotal part of the gaming process for many games.

All of which are costs I believe would outweigh the benefits.

[QUOTE=Sir Garbageman;35002937]If even half of the rumors for the next gen consoles are true (anti-used games, motion and tablet controllers, etc) then I will be a 100% PC gamer.[/QUOTE]

Don't worry, you'll probably be able to play Solitaire on the Wii U controller too.

[QUOTE=Broadbandito;34996170]just give me a regular controller, FUCK[/QUOTE]

welcome to the new regular.

[IMG]http://secondapps.com/countdown/t1338922800z4.png[/IMG]

It's the most wonderful time of the year!

[QUOTE=Hiltz;34996409]Microsoft should worry less about Nintendo and instead focus on how its conference won't suck at E3 again.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, MS has pretty dominated E3 for the last several years including last year.

[QUOTE=elcranky;35003372]Hmm, MS has pretty dominated E3 for the last several years including last year.[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqgW-2orQQg"]Wait, what[/URL]

Gotta admit - I'm getting a bit excited about what could be possible here.

Just think.. a motion-based controller with a digital screen on it for input would fit very nicely with Microsoft's desire to create an all-in-one-type living room entertainment system (that also plays video games).

[QUOTE=elcranky;35003372]Hmm, MS has pretty dominated E3 for the last several years including last year.[/QUOTE]

????

Definitely not the last 2 years.


Anyways, I could possibly see there being a tablet controller as an option to use for certain games or the main controller of the system having a touch screen on it.

But the main controller = a straight up tablet? Yeah, I can't see that happening.

[QUOTE=Jonm1010;35002977]Not every added feature is a worthwhile feature to add.

Frankly I dont see the benefits outweighing the costs with adding a large tablet type screen and tablet functionality to a controller.

It takes away power that could go into the system itself because costs for the components will need to be set aside for the tablet. In all likelihood it will sacrifice a level of controller comfort in order to incorporate the screen. [B]It risks breaking gaming immersion by having to always be aware of a second screen that functions as a pivotal part of the gaming process for many games. [/B]

All of which are costs I believe would outweigh the benefits.[/QUOTE]

More so than pausing the game to cycle through separate menus? I feel like "immersion" is the weakest argument against having a screen on your controller.

[QUOTE=elcranky;35003372]Hmm, MS has pretty dominated E3 for the last several years including last year.[/QUOTE]

Their last 2 have been terrible. Like Nintendo 2008 terrible.

People who use the immersion argument With a second screen haven't had a ds?

No surprise.

[QUOTE=Bgamer90;35003423]????

Definitely not the last 2 years.[/QUOTE]

What they're doing seems to be working out pretty well.

[QUOTE=elcranky;35003372]Hmm, MS has pretty dominated E3 for the last several years including last year.[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfkghxxfwO4"]We watch the same conference?[/URL]

EDIT: [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QflHRLW0Tz8&feature=related"]Conferences?[/URL]

I like staring at my HDTV and not looking at 2 screens at once.

[QUOTE=Paco;35003471]



What they're doing seems to be working out pretty well.[/QUOTE]

Yeah they are doing good. Never said that they weren't.

Their last two E3 conferences were pretty bad though. Really cheesy kinect demos.

Is Ms dumb enough to change the best controller out there?

[QUOTE=metareferential;34997719]What I think is Ms will just let [I]any[/I] Win 8 enabled device control the new console, be it a tablet or a smartphone. And they'll keep the standard 360 controller, because it's dirt cheap to produce, sells at an enormous profit margin, and we are [I]all[/I] going to buy one no matter what, if the tablet or anything else becomes the standard.

But hey, rumours are fun![/QUOTE]

This seems like the most likely scenario. I will go 1 further and say that any win8 tablet can be the display for the xbox / xbox can have multiple apps running on different tablets.

[QUOTE=unomas;35003614]Is Ms dumb enough to change the best controller out there?[/QUOTE]

All they need to do is change the d-pad and I'll be more than satisfied.

[QUOTE=EloquentM;35003458]People who use the immersion argument With a second screen haven't had a ds?[/QUOTE]

But the Wii U pad's screen isn't going to be in the same plane of view as your TV. Unless you hold the controller facing the TV, you're going to have to peek down to see the Wii U pad's screen. and i can understand how that breaks immersion to some degree.

Personally, I think the tablet controller is a useful innovation unlike motion controls. It's just a normal controller with a screen on it. It doesn't entirely change the playing field like motion controls did.

I don't care for what MS has shown at the past few E3's(personal interests), but I do like their format for doing things.

i love microsoft's e3 strategy because it's like, very taoist, you know? do without doing. rule through inaction.