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fart town usa 11-19-2012 03:02 AM

Wii games upscaled (not natively rendered in higher res) on WiiU
 
Sorry if this has been mentioned before but wii games are in fact upscaled.

I've tested Xenoblade and RE4, both were in 1080p.

I was using HDMI of course.

EDIT

It's not native 1080p of course but it is displayed in 1080p. The difference is noticable to me.

Exciting nonetheless.

[QUOTE=sevenchaos;44498788][IMG]http://i1.minus.com/iGgKl9eidS6aj.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i6.minus.com/i4I2wNkH3jnWI.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

WAR recon zero 11-19-2012 03:04 AM

Holy shit

onQ123 11-19-2012 03:04 AM

Good to hear.

soulassssns 11-19-2012 03:04 AM

"infant upscaled"?

Great to hear though. Anybody feel like doing a comparison video for those of us without a WiiU?

Stumpokapow 11-19-2012 03:04 AM

[QUOTE=fart town usa;44497788]Sorry if this has been mentioned before but wii games are in fact upscaled.

I've tested Xenoblade and RE4, both were in 1080p.

I was using HDMI of course.[/QUOTE]

... upscaled by the Wii U, or upscaled by your TV?

Andrefpvs 11-19-2012 03:04 AM

Awesome, may we get an off-screen photo please?

[quote=Stumpokapow;44497892]... upscaled by the Wii, or upscaled by your TV?[/quote]

Actually, this as well.

jrDev 11-19-2012 03:04 AM

What?!!!

neptunes 11-19-2012 03:04 AM

Internally?

KojiKnight 11-19-2012 03:05 AM

My TV is in use so I can't test this myself... but I severely doubt the game is upscaled to true 1080p. It would still be nice if the image is outputted to 1080p with some filtering versus it outputting to 480p over HDMI

Dragon 11-19-2012 03:05 AM

Can you do a Dolphin screen shot versus Wii U screenshot of Xenoblade?

Coldnoodle 11-19-2012 03:05 AM

GAF AM CRY

Striek 11-19-2012 03:05 AM

Does it actually upcale the internal resolution or the Wii U just replace the TVs job?

fart town usa 11-19-2012 03:05 AM

[QUOTE=Stumpokapow;44497892]... upscaled by the Wii U, or upscaled by your TV?[/QUOTE]

Nah, the wiiU

It's not native of course but it does make a difference in quality.

The Outsider 11-19-2012 03:05 AM

I want to believe.

TouchMyBox 11-19-2012 03:05 AM

I'm assuming the rendering resolution is still 480p?

So it would look as good as a Wii hooked up to a nice receiver?

Eusis 11-19-2012 03:05 AM

[QUOTE=Stumpokapow;44497892]... upscaled by the Wii U, or upscaled by your TV?[/QUOTE]
Going by Chris Kohler's tweets about how he couldn't set the HD signal to 4:3 on his Bravia for VC games? Upscaled by Wii U.

Important for people to remember that upscaling =/= natively running at 720p/1080p, but if the Wii U's scaling is good then it STILL means it looks better than on Wii, even if it's no Dolphin.

Eggman 11-19-2012 03:06 AM

Yeah, pics plese.

Speevy 11-19-2012 03:06 AM

I believe you fart town usa.

DSix 11-19-2012 03:06 AM

Upscale is such a shitty word. It makes gullible people think that the games actually run in higher resolution, when all it really means is that it runs in the same shitty resolution except stretched over a bigger picture.

Basically it does nothing except add some blur.

Regulus Tera 11-19-2012 03:06 AM

[B]Sin and Punishment 2[/B] is gonna look even fuglier.

ipukespiders 11-19-2012 03:06 AM

No fucking way!

Way?

UnaiGamer 11-19-2012 03:07 AM

Nice. My TV upscaller is shit.

codhand 11-19-2012 03:07 AM

good news, finally

Squidofman 11-19-2012 03:07 AM

yeah, i'm seeing this on twitter from a few folks. some quality pics from someone would help.

EmCeeGramr 11-19-2012 03:07 AM

Thanks, user "fart town usa."

KojiKnight 11-19-2012 03:07 AM

Either way HDMI > Component... so even if it's not truly upscaled, it should STILL look better than a Wii.

MThanded 11-19-2012 03:08 AM

"upscaled"

Neff 11-19-2012 03:08 AM

I've spent all day trying to get details on Wii U BC performance and I'm very thankful for this.

Pics and/or video would be lovely, too.

Kerub 11-19-2012 03:08 AM

Side by side comparison would be interesting.

Rickenslacker 11-19-2012 03:08 AM

Do people not know what upscaling means, because it's still going to be rendered at 480p and blown up.

Instro 11-19-2012 03:09 AM

[QUOTE=DSix;44498001]Upscale is such a shitty word. It makes gullible people think that the games actually run in higher resolution, when all it really means is that it runs in the same shitty resolution except stretched over a bigger picture.

Basically it does nothing except add some blur.[/QUOTE]

Well it does do a bit if the scaler is good. HDMI over component should clean up the image a bit as well.

Eusis 11-19-2012 03:09 AM

[QUOTE=KojiKnight;44498098]Either way HDMI > Component... so even if it's not truly upscaled, it should STILL look better than a Wii.[/QUOTE]
I never noticed a difference myself, BUT after the comparison between the GC's digital component versus the Wii's component it seems plausible, at least in this case. Would be annoying to juggle between PS3 and Wii U though, so I'll be testing with both when I get my Wii U to know for sure.

alr1ght 11-19-2012 03:09 AM

and the 360 upscales everything to 1080p.

onQ123 11-19-2012 03:10 AM

Now try the Virtual Console see if the N64 , SNES & other games are scaled to 1080P

KojiKnight 11-19-2012 03:10 AM

[QUOTE=Instro;44498148]Well it does do a bit if the scalar is good.[/QUOTE]

This. If the upscaler is good in the Wii U and since it's outputted over HDMI it could still look really nice. Never dolphin good, but still be very nice.

chertipros 11-19-2012 03:10 AM

ERHMAGERD

Roth 11-19-2012 03:11 AM

Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:

[quote][img]http://i.imgur.com/Mxio1.jpg[/img][/quote]

VALIS 11-19-2012 03:11 AM

Out of the dozens of Sim Cities I've made over the years in that franchise's various iterations, I'm sure at least half of them have been called "fart city usa." I salute you, OP.

Eusis 11-19-2012 03:12 AM

[QUOTE=Roth;44498232]Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:[/QUOTE]
Fuck's sake [b]THAT'S DOLPHIN[/b]. You're only going to mislead people with crap like that.

MisterHero 11-19-2012 03:12 AM

[QUOTE=Roth;44498232]Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:[/QUOTE]
as it was said a million times

I WANT TO BELIEVE

alr1ght 11-19-2012 03:12 AM

[QUOTE=Roth;44498232]Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:[/QUOTE]

don't do this

Neff 11-19-2012 03:12 AM

To avoid confusion, I'll again present how upscaling works compared to upresing.

[IMG]http://imageshack.us/a/img255/1277/samuses.jpg[/IMG]

At the very least, true digital output will give a much better PQ than the Wii ever did.

KojiKnight 11-19-2012 03:12 AM

[QUOTE=Roth;44498232]Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:[/QUOTE]

Nice dolphin shot... Now if you could get us a real shot from the Wii U for a real comparison....

SPE 11-19-2012 03:12 AM

[QUOTE=Stumpokapow;44497892]... upscaled by the Wii U, or upscaled by your TV?[/QUOTE]

If the TV is saying it's getting a 1080p signal, then it's been unscaled by the Wii U.

Plug a Wii in to a 1080p TV, and your TV will get a 480p signal which the TV will upscale to fill the 1080x1920 screen.

[QUOTE=DSix;44498001]Upscale is such a shitty word. It makes gullible people think that the games actually run in higher resolution, when all it really means is that it runs in the same shitty resolution except stretched over a bigger picture.

Basically it does nothing except add some blur.[/QUOTE]

Any non-native TV input is going to get upscaled. But how clean/ugly that scaling looks depends greatly on the device doing it. In general, HDTVs have pretty poor upscalers in them. Higher end Panny plasmsas and Bravias are pretty good, but no where near as good as dedicated scalers.

The b/c PS3 did a wonderful job of scaling PS2 games when connected to HDTVs. Far better resulting image than the same game played on a PS2 and the TV doing the scaling. Hopefully, the Wii U will be the same. I believe that in general, AMD GPUs offer decent scaling, but I might be wrong as I'm not really across PC tech.

DSix 11-19-2012 03:13 AM

[QUOTE=Roth;44498232]Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:[/QUOTE]

Why are you doing this? That's a dolphin screenshot...

Kai Dracon 11-19-2012 03:13 AM

I don't have a digital camera good enough to make a difference at home, but I can see a major difference in the scaling between my Wii and Wii U when changing inputs.

The Wii U's wii mode output actually puts a slight black border around all sides of the image. The nature of the scaling artifacts is different from the output of my Wii (using component, not composite). Colors on the Wii U side are more vibrant, less washed out by the upscale. I am not sure if one or the other is "cleaner" in terms of upscaling artifacts. But the Wii U side looks less stretched and distorted.

Verdict: I would assume the Wii U is upscaling the image before sending it to the TV. The output looks nothing like the TV's own scaler on the vanilla Wii's input.

Edit: don't overhype expecting it to look vastly superior, I'm just saying it's visibly different. The colors do look richer tho.

CrunchyFrog 11-19-2012 03:13 AM

[QUOTE=Roth;44498232]Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:[/QUOTE]

Except the FPS counter in the top left clearly means its running in dolphin :/

Seik 11-19-2012 03:13 AM

[QUOTE=Kerub;44498137]Side by side comparison would be interesting.[/QUOTE]

This.

Instro 11-19-2012 03:13 AM

[QUOTE=Roth;44498232]Here's a screenshot of how Skyward Sword looks like:[/QUOTE]

Juniors are dumb.

xbhaskarx 11-19-2012 03:13 AM

[QUOTE=Eusis;44498261]Fuck's sake [b]THAT'S DOLPHIN[/b]. You're only going to mislead people with crap like that.[/QUOTE]
haha


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