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Drago 12-16-2012 10:59 PM

RUMOR: 3DS finally hacked?
 
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[QUOTE]Here is a picture to get you excited - [url]http://imgur.com/Bgucg[/url] And yes I know the picture doesn't prove anything...

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xN9za.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PETUj.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Who knows if it will amount to anything. If it means no more region lock, hell yeah.

Foshy 12-16-2012 11:01 PM

Picture doesn't really prove anything because it could be running homebrew on a DS flashcard, but let's be optimistic.

VGChampion 12-16-2012 11:01 PM

I'm no modder or program writer or anything but even I know the first thing you do is Hello World.

epmode 12-16-2012 11:01 PM

[QUOTE=Drago;45487372]If it means no more region lock, hell yeah.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that would be great.

Andrefpvs 12-16-2012 11:02 PM

It should have said "fuck region locking" instead of "we hacked it!"

MikeE21286 12-16-2012 11:02 PM

[QUOTE=Andrefpvs;45487452]It should have said "fuck region locking" instead of "we hacked it!"[/QUOTE]

lol yeah

ohlawd 12-16-2012 11:02 PM

[QUOTE=VGChampion;45487443]I'm no modder or program writer or anything but even I know the first thing you do is Hello World.[/QUOTE]

This.

These guys are scrubs.

Totobeni 12-16-2012 11:02 PM

region free come to me.

Mpl90 12-16-2012 11:02 PM

Eh, but I'll believe it when I'll see it in action, I mean when I'll see a game from JP running on a Western 3DS. And probably there will be a firmware update that will block this in the future. XD

Hale-XF11 12-16-2012 11:03 PM

[QUOTE=Foshy;45487434]Picture doesn't really prove anything because it could be running homebrew on a DS flashcard, but let's be optimistic.[/QUOTE]

It could be that or Petit Computer.

Keropon 12-16-2012 11:03 PM

I quote SifJar from the GBAtemp forums:

[QUOTE][QUOTE]<delroth> [06:10:31] yellows8: finally found a kernel exploit or is that still done through ram haxx / ROP?
<yellows8> [06:10:54] not the kernel :)
<delroth> [06:11:23] trust chain broken? :P
...
<yellows8> [06:11:37] no
...
<yellows8> [06:47:04] there's only *two* vulns currently known which allow code exec and is usable from arm11 userland ROP. since the two vulns are basically identical, both would surely be fixed in a single sysupdate.
[/QUOTE]

Basically, the 3DS uses a security mechanism where only certain parts of memory can be executed. This means you can't load your own code and execute it. However, you can use a technique called "ROP", which as I understand it basically means executing parts of code already loaded in executable memory. So for example, say you want to run a particular instruction; you find somewhere that instruction is loaded, then do smash the stack and make execution jump to that location. Obviously, this isn't an ideal situation as you are limited to using what is loaded in memory, and it's not very straight forward. So the best option would be to use ROP to execute a kernel exploit, disable the security system and thus allow executing code from anywhere in memory (or at least from somewhere you can influence from code). Then you can load code into memory and run it freely.

However, yellows8 said it's not a kernel exploit, but then says there are two vulnerabilities that allow code execution from ROP; I guess there must be some other way of doing it other than a kernel exploit. I don't know the technical details of the vulnerability being exploited here.

It's worth noting that this is *two* exploits; one userland exploit (which allows ROP; this is probably a savegame exploit or something similar), and the other vulnerability to allow code execution (this vulnerability is exploited via ROP).

EDIT: Oh yeah, and I should have mentioned that as seen above, there are only two known vulnerabilities for code execution, and both would most likely be patched at once, so I'd guess it's unlikely there'll be a release unless another, more unique, vulnerability found for yellows8 (and those he chooses to share with) to use for further exploration once the released exploit is patched.[/QUOTE]

So, it's a step.

The Grim Heaper 12-16-2012 11:03 PM

Not getting my hopes up, but get rid of region locking pleeeease.

Wario64 12-16-2012 11:03 PM

Even if this is real, that's the dumbest thing to put on there. Wouldn't you want to take credit in the pic instead of saying "we?"

SalsaShark 12-16-2012 11:04 PM

waiting on this to get one

farnham 12-16-2012 11:04 PM

Good i hated the region lock

And i have a japanese 3ds

I just went to nintendo world store in nyc and i would have bought a few wiiu games and 3ds games but i coukdnt because iboth systems are region locked

-MB- 12-16-2012 11:04 PM

The picture originates from the author of the dsi mode hack Sudokuhaxx, yellows8.
So it looks to be legit, if only it concerns a usermode exploit.

tenchir 12-16-2012 11:04 PM

It's a retailer just posting a picture of someone else's pic.

[QUOTE=-MB-;45487520]The picture originates from the author of the dsi mode hack Sudokuhaxx, yellows8.
So it looks to be legit, if only it concerns a usermode exploit.[/QUOTE]

As far as I know, it's not a useable hack right? There's no practical(easy) way for non-hackers to be able to run homebrew in DSI mode.

bigkrev 12-16-2012 11:05 PM

Probably not going to be a way to run imports legally (this is probably running off a rom cart), but i'm interested to see what comes from this. I'd love to see a Virtual Boy emulator eventually!

Munin 12-16-2012 11:05 PM

With firmware updates these days, stuff like this means vey little.

Andrefpvs 12-16-2012 11:06 PM

Btw:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xN9za.png[/IMG]

cyberheater 12-16-2012 11:06 PM

Great. Looking forward to see where this goes. Hopefully it will kill the region lockout.

Taruranto 12-16-2012 11:07 PM

All i ask is for the fucking region lock to go fuck itself.

Drago 12-16-2012 11:07 PM

[QUOTE=Andrefpvs;45487560][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/xN9za.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Thanks, will put in the OP

Papytendo 12-16-2012 11:07 PM

[QUOTE=VGChampion;45487443]I'm no modder or program writer or anything but even I know the first thing you do is Hello World.[/QUOTE]
Second reply wins.

Ragus 12-16-2012 11:08 PM

I hope this is legit.

A Pretty Panda 12-16-2012 11:08 PM

[QUOTE=VGChampion;45487443]I'm no modder or program writer or anything but even I know the first thing you do is Hello World.[/QUOTE]

These hackers play by their own rules.

-Pyromaniac- 12-16-2012 11:09 PM

plz b true.

Conflict NZ 12-16-2012 11:10 PM

[QUOTE=Wario64;45487495]Even if this is real, that's the dumbest thing to put on there. Wouldn't you want to take credit in the pic instead of saying "we?"[/QUOTE]

Geohot thought the same thing.

Kokonoe 12-16-2012 11:11 PM

I'll repurchase a 3DS if this is true and region-lock is eventually broken.

xxbrothawizxx63 12-16-2012 11:11 PM

I feel bad for Nintendo if this is true, but fuck it, they brought it on themselves with region lock and the fact that they suck at promoting localizations. Hope it's real.

DR2K 12-16-2012 11:12 PM

[QUOTE=Mpl90;45487464]Eh, but I'll believe it when I'll see it in action, I mean when I'll see a game from JP running on a Western 3DS. And probably there will be a firmware update that will block this in the future. XD[/QUOTE]

Or it'll be something that overrides firmware updates like the DS flash carts keep doing.

Platy 12-16-2012 11:16 PM

As a fan of homebrew (homebrew basicaly saved my wii from death) i'm open to all kinds of homebrew =D

Lets hope this is the begining of at least something like a pdf reader

Nibel 12-16-2012 11:16 PM

And even if so: they are now capable to update their FW via the internet, I would watch out with this - even if the though of a region free 3DS is damn seductive

ffdgh 12-16-2012 11:16 PM

I'll wait for video proof.

Takao 12-16-2012 11:17 PM

[QUOTE=Mpl90;45487464]Eh, but I'll believe it when I'll see it in action, I mean when I'll see a game from JP running on a Western 3DS. [B]And probably there will be a firmware update that will block this in the future.[/B] XD[/QUOTE]

You don't say.

brumx 12-16-2012 11:18 PM

I dont see 3DS being much better than PSP at homebrew tho I wonder if it can do proper N64 lol.

meppi 12-16-2012 11:18 PM

[QUOTE=xxbrothawizxx63;45487739]I feel bad for Nintendo if this is true, but fuck it, they brought it on themselves with region lock and the fact that they suck at promoting localizations. Hope it's real.[/QUOTE]

Let's not kid ourselves into thinking these hackers are doing it for the good of 3DS owners or to bring justice to the evil Nintendo corporation for region locking the system.

BocoDragon 12-16-2012 11:18 PM

[QUOTE=Munin;45487557]With firmware updates these days, stuff like this means vey little.[/QUOTE]
That's not true at all. Wasn't a problem for Wii or PSP.

Meesh 12-16-2012 11:19 PM

Didn't know there's was a thread about this already. Nothing would make me happier at this point if they finally managed to hack it, I loves me sum imports.

Muramasa 12-16-2012 11:19 PM

dissapointing, no 3d hello world with 3d led on.

Finalow 12-16-2012 11:24 PM

[QUOTE=Drago;45487372]If it means no more region lock, hell yeah.[/QUOTE]
^ just this, I don't care about the rest.

Keyouta 12-16-2012 11:24 PM

I hope this is true for the region locking being removed and the thought of homebrew. Stupid that a portable would be region locked.

Canis lupus 12-16-2012 11:25 PM

Finally, fuck region locking!

Coxy 12-16-2012 11:26 PM

[QUOTE=_Keiichi_;45487599]All i ask is for the fucking region lock to go fuck itself.[/QUOTE]

this, it would make me buy a 3ds at last

Devil 12-16-2012 11:26 PM

Just in case:

Would there be a difference between a hacked 3DS and 3DS XL?

-Pyromaniac- 12-16-2012 11:26 PM

[quote=Devil;45488126]Just in case:

Would there be a difference between a hacked 3DS and 3DS XL?[/quote]
nope, 80% sure they're the same other than screens/battery. I might be wrong though.

Tchetil 12-16-2012 11:26 PM

Nice, I love stability patches.

BGBW 12-16-2012 11:27 PM

Fake.

There are no scratches on the top screen.

Kazerei 12-16-2012 11:28 PM

[QUOTE=Keropon;45487491]I quote SifJar from the GBAtemp forums:

[QUOTE]Obviously, this isn't an ideal situation as you are limited to using what is loaded in memory, and it's not very straight forward. So the best option would be to use ROP to execute a kernel exploit, disable the security system and thus allow executing code from anywhere in memory (or at least from somewhere you can influence from code). Then you can load code into memory and run it freely.[/QUOTE]

So, it's a step.[/QUOTE]

Sounds like a small step and anything useful is still very far away.

Tagg9 12-16-2012 11:29 PM

Worst proof of a hack I have ever seen.


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