They actually said CS2 was also meant to be this year, so that might be sooner than people think. Good few months left.
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They actually said CS2 was also meant to be this year, so that might be sooner than people think. Good few months left.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Is there really no way to get Japanese voices other than to make the entire game japanese?
You're able to replace the English voices though you need to get the Japanese voice files. The English version also has more voiced lines so there's a lot more breaks in voice acting if you replace it.
There's a way to replace them but I have no clue how as I have no interest in playing with Japanese VO. English VO are for the most part doing an incredible job and there's 5000 more voiced line in English.
You can probably check the game steam forums it's probably floating around there.
CS1 was also July at one point!
But yeah, that why I said late this year or early next year.
Will surely be out before western CS3 release though, which will be probably same-time console/PC, or only a short time after.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Eh, it's just that the english voice acting does feel a little stilted. The mixing is a little off as well.
It's not too bad though to make me look for a fix if it's not convenient to do.
Shake Appeal
Member
I turn off voices in most games that aren't The Witcher 3, and I did the same here. I can't handle people's awful reads and delivery in videogames, especially when the pool of voices is always so small and so many samey, made-for-TV actors pop up again and again.
Great to hear.
(It's nice to get back to this thread and see people playing through the entire thing without too many issues -- after reading primarily bug report threads on Steam for a while you start getting the idea the game is mostly broken for everyone
)I hope not!
I don't know your threshold for convenience, and I would never condone any such thing of course, but from what I read about how it works it's really not terribly strenuous.
You're missing out.
Great to hear.
(It's nice to get back to this thread and see people playing through the entire thing without too many issues -- after reading primarily bug report threads on Steam for a while you start getting the idea the game is mostly broken for everyone
Other than the two instances of skipped voices lines I mentioned a few pages back, I've had basically zero issues in 60h of playtime. So it's certainly not broken for everyone!
Out of curiosity, are you allowed to talk about how long the porting process took you? We rarely get a good sense of exactly when those kinds of projects start, so I've always been curious about what kind of time investment a port like this requires.
I don't think anything prevents me from talking about that. Note that for ToCS1, it was already partially ported when I got it (as in, something runnable was on PC, the OpenGL version). I started working on it in earnest in the first half of May.
Note though (and this is important!) that there isn't really "these kinds of projects" or "a port like this" when it comes to difficulty and / or effort required. It hugely depends on the engine in use and on the existing codebase.
Yeah, I realize that there are too many variables in play here for this to really be indicative of porting time in a general sense. Still pretty interesting, though. Thanks!
With your experience, both as a amateur and as a pro (SenKiseki, King Story), can you find an excuse for the state of Koei Tecmo and Square Enix PC ports?
Japanese management.
There you go.
Oh right, that's not an 'excure' that's just the reason.
1.2.1 is now selectable on Steam. The default branch will switch to that a bit later.
In addition to all the stuff in 1.2, this version fixes a few more bugs and adds a new shadow resolution setting.
In addition to all the stuff in 1.2, this version fixes a few more bugs and adds a new shadow resolution setting.
I can find an excuse for the US/EU branches of such companies who are left to deal with the fallout, but not for the state of those ports themselves, no.
One thing that stood out to me in your blog posts was when you mentioned getting the initial performance to a mostly adequate level and going "No, that's not good enough", which prompted you to rewrite the entire rendering back-end. I could totally see a less dedicated dev just going "Meh, it works" and not going the extra mile.
You're making those devs look bad.
Yeah that boss surprised me. Normally a dungeon before a boss gives hints as to what the boss will do. But this one did not.
Got texture mods working
Please see my master thread for a whole bunch
http://steamcommunity.com/app/538680/discussions/0/1471967615881539840/
Please see my master thread for a whole bunch
http://steamcommunity.com/app/538680/discussions/0/1471967615881539840/
I chuckled at the start of Chapter 5 when you go to the train station and as you're talking to
I also found that boss mentioned above was pretty nasty going in blind, first time I've died so far.
Opening scene of Chapter 6,
Lechter, you catch a glimpse of Celine running through the gate in the background without the camera focusing too much on it. Of course that was ruined shortly after you clearly see her slowly boarding the train though.
Opening scene of Chapter 6,
this is the perverted Olivert I've been missing. He just needed Mueller to nudge him back to the right direction.
got around to finishing the final chapter,got a little fed up with the overall pacing and stopped for a couple days
pretty enjoyable overall,I liked it slightly more than the first sky game but not as much as the second or third
the festival being where it was felt particularly jarring pacing wise
pretty enjoyable overall,I liked it slightly more than the first sky game but not as much as the second or third
Awesome work, Dro. I enjoyed your work in FFX HD. Glad to see you're still modding
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I put some decent hours in the game on the weekend, and I have come to realise that the input lag on my TV is extremely high (It's a 2009 Sony LCD
)In the fishing mini game I only have to mash a single button most of the time(of maximum 2) to net a fish.
In the swimming mini game I have my rhythm right on the first try. Rean's practically in Erebonian Olympic swimming team now.
I can do neither of these things with my PS3 copy. Playing this game on a 144hz Gsync monitor is both a blessing, and a curse, since now I'm thinking of getting an LG OLED TV, and those aren't exactly cheap in Australia. :-\
couple random bug comments:
ran into that eye thing one more time at (chapter 6 spoilers)
not very specific here but I noticed that the final chapter in particular had a fair amount of issues with the voices either saying the wrong thing or not firing till a text box or two later or whatever,it wasn't ubiquitous or anything but it happened with enough frequency to be pretty noticable
ran into that eye thing one more time at (chapter 6 spoilers)
the tank factory in roer when it gets attacked and you have a fight there
not very specific here but I noticed that the final chapter in particular had a fair amount of issues with the voices either saying the wrong thing or not firing till a text box or two later or whatever,it wasn't ubiquitous or anything but it happened with enough frequency to be pretty noticable
I see what you mean, and I take back that the game might have been better off if they trimmed some of it. Would have been nice for some of them to be optional though. I can see myself getting some enjoyment out of them in a NG+ playthrough.
Spoilers for the entire chapter 4:
Wow. What a ride that was. Did not expect Rean to have a transformation. What the heck is he? Please don't make me wait until CS2 or CS3 to find out. Emma's obviously been hiding that she escaped from Hogwarts, and is regularly communicating with Professor McGonagall for some reason. But seriously, I want to know what's up with her too. And a cat that gives Zeram Powders can't be bad... right?
Heimdallr's a gorgeous city, easily my favorite location in CS so far. It's always nice to have more Olivier and Phantom Thief B shenanigans, even if it's easy to cheat the latter now with CS' improved map. Sara being a bracer (and one of the best, no less) before becoming an instructor took me by surprise, even though it shouldn't have.
Heimdallr's a gorgeous city, easily my favorite location in CS so far. It's always nice to have more Olivier and Phantom Thief B shenanigans, even if it's easy to cheat the latter now with CS' improved map. Sara being a bracer (and one of the best, no less) before becoming an instructor took me by surprise, even though it shouldn't have.
Chapter 4 just had a lot going on, more than I want to comment on. I'd love to super glue myself to my seat and marathon the rest of the game already, but alas, tomorrow's Monday.
CertifiedFP
Member
So uh, has it occurred to anyone else that this is a Neptunia game in all but name and setting? Like I didn't really notice at first since I never played more than a few hours of Re;Birth before putting it down and never feeling compelled to come back, but as I thought on it I realized more and more that the battle system here is mechanically almost identical to Neptunia's.
Basileus777
Member
Is Neptunia your only exposure to turn based RPGs?
CertifiedFP
Member
Given the fact that I played through all three Sky games first, all the Persona games, the Valkyria series, and so on, I would hope not.
I can kinda see the similarities at least as far as how movement, positioning and aiming work in combat. But that's pretty much where it stops. Literally everything else about the game couldn't be more different. The comparison is pretty insulting to Trails, honestly lol.
Shake Appeal
Member
I love this game.
I was worried I wouldn't after people said it was a step down from Sky in most respects, but it feels like a chiller, simpler experience, and the low-level, schoolsy stuff is refreshing after level 140+ and endless trash mobs in Sky 3rd. It has a Persona flavor while still reminding me of Trails FC, especially once I went to Celdic.
I prefer the combat in this on balance, although I think I'm over-leveled/-equipped already (playing on Hard). I don't hate the orbment system, even though most of the nuance has been pulled out of it. Tracking things down and talking to every NPC twice after every cutscene is much less tedious in 3-D; I just enjoy walking around more in this, and if I ever do want to hurry somewhere, the fast travel system respects my time.
Mostly like the characters and writing, too, though Estelle/Joshua are more interesting than anyone in this so far. I'm glad I played 3rd first, though, as it makes speculating about
I'm only just starting Chapter 2, though.
I was worried I wouldn't after people said it was a step down from Sky in most respects, but it feels like a chiller, simpler experience, and the low-level, schoolsy stuff is refreshing after level 140+ and endless trash mobs in Sky 3rd. It has a Persona flavor while still reminding me of Trails FC, especially once I went to Celdic.
I prefer the combat in this on balance, although I think I'm over-leveled/-equipped already (playing on Hard). I don't hate the orbment system, even though most of the nuance has been pulled out of it. Tracking things down and talking to every NPC twice after every cutscene is much less tedious in 3-D; I just enjoy walking around more in this, and if I ever do want to hurry somewhere, the fast travel system respects my time.
Mostly like the characters and writing, too, though Estelle/Joshua are more interesting than anyone in this so far. I'm glad I played 3rd first, though, as it makes speculating about
Olivert's plans against Osbourne far more interesting; plus I've already guessed who Alina "R." is.
CertifiedFP
Member
Ehm, honestly I'm really not feeling the new Orbment system, for reasons beyond "dumbing down" or a "lack of nuance"
The problem with Arts being tied to Quartz themselves is that it creates stress that wasn't there in Sky - That I find myself consistently mass-dequipping the off-party of all their Quartz and re-allocating loadouts each field study instead of giving everyone a consistent build that I iterate on like in Sky.
I find myself constantly trying to fine-tune specific loadouts of Arts within a small number of slots and never being sure if a character has enough for the job or the right ones, or if I have enough Stat quartz equipped to match. Nevermind that this results in constrained Art pallets compared to Sky and it's titanic lists of Arts casters could have at once. Really preferred the old system of just targeting a specific amount of elements on a Line to get all the Arts a character would need, instead of having to equip Art quartz and balance them against Stat quartz. Phys characters have it so much easier since I can just load them up with Ailment and Stat quartz without worrying about Arts.
Is CS2 better in this regard? Like maybe I'm just stressed right now since I'm slot-constrained like in FC and just going through the motions of having to build characters without a full repertoire of slots to work with.
Aaronrules380
Member
I mean, you can have a shit load of arts by the end of CS if you use the quartz that have multiple arts along with stat bonuses packaged together which you'll have a lot of by the end if you're raiding every chest
SatelliteOfLove
Member
There's just that one escapee, or maybe it was a deadline trade how she got here.
Basileus777
Member
Slots and number of quartz become less of an issue, but you have a huge roster of people swapping in and out to manage. Though the CS system is much easier to manage when it comes to large rosters than the Sky system. 3rd drove me crazy with it in way neither of the CS games could do.
I really strongly disagree with this. The similarities seem to begin and end with both having battle systems with significant positioning. The entire non-battle setup of the game, the game progression and structure, and even the battles themselves (if you look deeper than the broadest strokes) are fundamentally different.
CertifiedFP
Member
You could edit everyone's loadout from Hermit's Garden in 3rd without switching party though, just like you can in Trista here. I don't see how 3rd is any more cumbersome than CS with a large roster. In fact, I honestly find 3rd easier to manage in this respect as I can see a character's Quartz, Arts, and Stats on a single menu and easily click to any party member quickly, instead of digging into a separate Arts menu to see a character's equipped pallet.
Well, considering you've played about 10x as much Neptunia than I have looking at your Steam profile compared to mine I'd say you're far more qualified to say this than I was ¯\_(ツ
_/¯There's a shortcut button that immediately shows you what Arts a character has. No need to go into the Arts menu.
ResourcefulStar
Neo Member
Ran into a nasty bug. After defeating all enemies in an encounter the screen faded to black for the transition to the results, but it stayed black, while music kept playing. Waiting for half a minute did nothing. Luckily, I save after every battle, so not much progress was lost. I don't know if the location matters, but the bug occurred after
(Final Chapter spoiler).
Picture of the enemy: http://imgur.com/a/U2zl3
Picture of the map: http://imgur.com/MYbFe47
Once again, endgame spoilers inside.
The version is 1.0.6421.30108.
a fight with a Durgnessa in the eastern part of what seems to be the final area of the Realm of the Great Shadow
Picture of the enemy: http://imgur.com/a/U2zl3
Picture of the map: http://imgur.com/MYbFe47
Once again, endgame spoilers inside.
The version is 1.0.6421.30108.
Thank you, will do.
That's not good, it's the first time I hear about that particular failure scenario. Were you using Turbo mode at that point?
By the way, in the latest version you can set autosaves to occur every minute, so in case it ever happens again you should at worst only use one minute of game time (plus one battle).
By the way, in the latest version you can set autosaves to occur every minute, so in case it ever happens again you should at worst only use one minute of game time (plus one battle).
ResourcefulStar
Neo Member
The turbo function was definitely off. I have it disabled in the launcher out of fear of accidentally fast forwarding through something important on my first playthrough.
Thank you for implementing the autosaving functionality. I have a habit of saving manually as often as possible, so I won't be getting much use out of it, but I'm certain that this will prevent others from losing progress. This particular bug, assuming it wasn't an impossible to reproduce one time glitch, can lead to losing up to an hour of playtime even with autosaving, though. Imagine this happening after
the V and C marathon
It only goes up to 2.
Good to know, thanks!
ResourcefulStar
Neo Member
Is the Chaos quartz bugged? The description says it extends the duration of abnormal statuses by 2 turns, but Burn and Faint inflicted by Rean's Flame Impact Craft only last for 1 turn anyway. 3 turns of Burn and Faint would be stupidly good in the
fight (Final Chapter spoiler).
Speaking of Impede, is the Delay effect applied to Arts, or to attacks and Crafts only?
EDIT: Tested Impede myself. Delay isn't applied to Arts (the blue arrow next to the target's portrait does not appear).
Loa Erebonius
There's a unique quartz you can find called Zeus Gem with a 90% chance of Impede and 7 points of Delay. Impede 2 is as good as gets for things you can mass produce.
Speaking of Impede, is the Delay effect applied to Arts, or to attacks and Crafts only?
EDIT: Tested Impede myself. Delay isn't applied to Arts (the blue arrow next to the target's portrait does not appear).
Ah yes, that moment when you have maxed some Master Quartz', and they are beasts, but don't want to use them because, well, they don't gain EXP anymore and there are plenty others who do...
Also, my take on the Quartz system compared to Trails in the Sky:
At first I thought it was neat and would make managing that huge roster a bit easier, but I actually find myself shuffling aroung the Quartz' much more than any of the Sky games. And the 3rd had an even larger roster!
It's those Rare Quartz'. It feels great when you find a new one, but since your party composition constantly changes, well...
So yeah, it appears to be more streamlined at first glance but it's actually more cumbersome in the end.
Also, my take on the Quartz system compared to Trails in the Sky:
At first I thought it was neat and would make managing that huge roster a bit easier, but I actually find myself shuffling aroung the Quartz' much more than any of the Sky games. And the 3rd had an even larger roster!
It's those Rare Quartz'. It feels great when you find a new one, but since your party composition constantly changes, well...
So yeah, it appears to be more streamlined at first glance but it's actually more cumbersome in the end.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
I'm going through Sky 3rd now, and man I love this system. Mixing and matching shit to try and get Devastation Blast while maintaining cast speed. Its rough but its satisfying in the way that balancing pluses and minuses usually is.
CS just doesnt have that, just stuff all the best shit on.
Ok, so I'm really enjoying this game, to the point where I may not have the patience to wait for the sequel's PC port to see the rest of the story-so-far. I'll still buy the 2nd one, I'm sure, as I prefer to play things on my PC when I can, but I do have a friend with a PS Vita...
Google tells me that this series has save imports. My friend has not played the game, so unless there's some clever acrobatics you can do with Vita saves I won't have access to a CS 1 save. My question: what do I miss by starting the game without a save import?
Things I don't care about: bonus items, character levels, outfits, etc.
Things I do care about: character relationships.
Will my hypothetical CS 2 game be disconnected from my CS 1 experience in terms of character relationships because I don't have the import? Or does it play out about the same way no matter what? I'd guess the latter, just because it's way easier to design a game that way, but I wanted to make sure before I splurge on a Vita version.
Google tells me that this series has save imports. My friend has not played the game, so unless there's some clever acrobatics you can do with Vita saves I won't have access to a CS 1 save. My question: what do I miss by starting the game without a save import?
Things I don't care about: bonus items, character levels, outfits, etc.
Things I do care about: character relationships.
Will my hypothetical CS 2 game be disconnected from my CS 1 experience in terms of character relationships because I don't have the import? Or does it play out about the same way no matter what? I'd guess the latter, just because it's way easier to design a game that way, but I wanted to make sure before I splurge on a Vita version.