It wouldn't have had to been 3D. Just make it a normal animated show about the Navi, their planet and their continued fight against the humans. It seems like such an obvious idea and even more in hind sight if it went after the Avatar the Last Airbender crowd or those kinds of shows that interest both kids and adults.
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Avatar sequels begin shooting this Monday 25th September
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It wouldn't have had to been 3D. Just make it a normal animated show about the Navi, their planet and their continued fight against the humans. It seems like such an obvious idea and even more in hind sight if it went after the Avatar the Last Airbender crowd or those kinds of shows that interest both kids and adults.
Extra Sauce
Member
It is not for us to question the methods of a master filmmaker.
Avatar is strong
But not that strong.
It grossed 200M in China. A sequel is not doing 5x that performance
abuhdur single-handedly made the Chinese box-office explode. It was hugely popular.
Look at the top 50 highest grossing movies in China.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_China
Not a single movie before Avatar is in there.
They should cast Arnold as the end game villain if they want to salvage this. Just give him a ton of great hammy dialogue and tell him to play it up to 11. I don't even care if half his lines are cheesy call backs, make it fun and let Arnold run with it and I'm down.
I'm not saying it's gonna gross one billion.
But Avatar 2 being the highest grossing movie ever in China isn't far fetched.
Canklestank
Neo Member
I thought they started filming these like 10 years ago. When are these expected to release?
andythinkpad
Member
Just say the word Jim, how many tickets do you need me preorder?
the chinese box office is very different now than it was when the original avatar came out
no one wants an avatar sequel, not even china. this shit ain't doing a billion worldwide, let alone in china.
nice to hear it's finally started filming, though. took them fucking long enough.
no one wants an avatar sequel, not even china. this shit ain't doing a billion worldwide, let alone in china.
nice to hear it's finally started filming, though. took them fucking long enough.
MarkMclovin
Member
Not a single fuck was given.
Sorry if I'm reading this wrong but..
It looks like Avatar is top 17 of all time in China. In order to be the highest grossing film there EVER, it would have to hit a multiplier of OVER FOUR TIMES what Avatar grossed.
If that's correct, there's no fucking way that's happening (1.3B Avatar vs 5.6B Wolf Warriors 2).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films_in_China
Am I doing it wrong
Fancyarcher
Member
So Cameron's going to film all three sequels back to back? What if wants to change some scenes or something? Madman!
It's Cameron, I wouldn't exactly doubt him at this point.
Nope. You're not wrong. Avatar has to make a LOT of money in order to be the highest grossing film in China.
It's Cameron, I wouldn't exactly doubt him at this point.
Nope. You're not wrong. Avatar has to make a LOT of money in order to be the highest grossing film in China.
the idea is that avatar did in 2009 what no other film even came close to doing in china
so now in 2020, with the chinese box office being way stronger than it was in 2009, doing 4x better is a possibility
but I personally don't think audiences want or care about more avatar, chinese or otherwise.
This is what I'm saying. The Chinese box office is HUGE now compared to 2009. Thousands of movie theaters open every year. Eight thousand screens were added in 2015. Also, Avatar did what it did despite the Chinese government kicking it out of 2D screens after only two weeks in (to promote their own propaganda movie, which resulted in audiences boycotting it).
edit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinema_of_China
In 2009, there were somewhere between 4,700 and 6,300 screens in China. Now there are over 40,000.
That's an interesting statistic, on the theaters. But I'm still failing to see how an Avatar SEQUEL is breaking 4x.
But hey, 2.7B was bullshit before Avatar sooo
Dances With Ferngully II: The Last Pocahontas amirite
We'll see. I think Avatar is for sure making massive bank in China.
There's no doubt it will be very successful in China, and in general.
Chinese movie market is VASTLY expanded since the first movie. They will jam a random Chinese girl in at the start a-la Skull Island and make bank.
I think no one doubts that Avatar 2-5 will make bank.
But there's a difference between making bank and going from 200M to 1B with Avatar 2.
800M swing?
Okay, here are some of the basics of how Chinese market changed over the past few years that people need to know.
The Chinese market as of 2016 is 4.5 times bigger than the market was in 2010 and more than 7.3 times bigger than what it was in 2009. It was often argued that the released of Avatar in 2009-2010 and the 3D wave that came right after that is directly responsible for the rapid expansion of the Chinese market now approaching domestic market as the global #1 status. Avatar was big everywhere, but it holds a special place especially in China because of this. Avatar was one of the biggest cinematic event in modern China, when it was released, it tripled the gross of previous highest grossing film of all time (which was interestingly held by "2012" at the time), this would be comparable to a film coming out in north america tripling the gross of The Force Awakens, an unimaginable task. Avatar also accounted for about 13.5% of the total yearly movie gross of 2010 in China. One of the top three highest % on record (after "Hero" and "Titanic"). Avatar's status as the highest grossing film ever in China was not surpassed until 2014, when Transformers 4 came out, but of course, the market several magnitude bigger in 2014 compared to when Avatar was released.
If you want to get a feel of how big Avatar was in China, look at this list of highest grossing films of all time in China.
Pay specific attention to what year Avatar was released and what year literally every other film on that list is released, you'll realize how big the market is now compare to 2009 and how much of a big deal Avatar was at the time to still rank #17 after all these years.
I can't say with certainty that Avatar 2 will make 1B in China. The current record holder for the highest grossing film in China is Wolf warrior 2 (2017), which made $861M in China alone, the market is still expanding at a fairly good pace, if a movie released today can be this close to 1B, a movie released in 2021 in China can surely get there, question is whether Avatar 2 can be that film, we'll just have to see. It certainly has the pedigree and anticipation to be that big of a hit. What pedigree am I talking about? A James Cameron film achieved highest grossing film ever in China three times (True Lies in 1994, Titanic in 1997-1998 and Avatar in 2010)
Furious 7 (a film significantly smaller than Avatar) made $400M in China in 2014 when Furious 6 only made $66M, so yes, a sequel can jump that much in box office in China, that's a completely different and wildly unstable market.
That's laughable, do you have evidence that Chinese people aren't looking forward to Avatar 2? Or are you projecting using your inner circle of people
Chinese people don't want to see any more Star Wars films, that is much closer to the truth, considering A dog's purpose significantly outgrossed Rogue one in China.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Someone feel free to timestamp this.
Assuming Avatar 2 reviews well (80%+ on RT), it will gross nearly $1Bil in China. I'll say at least $800MM.
EDIT: Also assuming we haven't gone to war or something with China between now and then. Who knows these days...
Assuming Avatar 2 reviews well (80%+ on RT), it will gross nearly $1Bil in China. I'll say at least $800MM.
EDIT: Also assuming we haven't gone to war or something with China between now and then. Who knows these days...
This is all very interesting and worthwhile info. Thanks for this post. The Fast and Furious comparison is an eye opener
I stand corrected in saying that it CANNOT happen.
Though I feel like the NA/Force Awakens example doesn't really work because the markets are completely different and don't seem comparable.
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JigglesBunny
Banned
This isnt going to top the first financially but itll do fine and look pretty. Well talk about box office worries when were four movies in and audiences are ready to burn Animal Kingdom to the ground just to get away from Avatar.
Do you know something about Arnold that we dont?
No problem, I love discussing box office, Furious 7 wasn't even that much of an anomaly, huge sequel jumps is normal in a rapidly expanding market, another random example would be Kung Fu Panda 2, which grossed $92M, when the first one did $26M, there are plenty more examples like that.
You're right that the TFA example isn't comparable because NA is a developed and stable market, a movie just don't suddenly come out and tripled the previous record holder's box office. I was using that as an example to illustrate the historical paradigm shift in China box office in 2009-2010.
* June 2009: Transformers 2 grossed $65.8M in China, highest ever (The public: Fascinating! great performance! )
* November 2009: 2012 grossed $68.7M in China, new highest grossing film ever in China! (The public: OMG! what a monster performance, take that Transformers!)
* January 2010: Avatar grossed $200M in China, tripled previous record hold (The public: ...............................................................)
HomerSimpson-Man
Member
Today I learned Wolf Warrior 2 grossed over $800 million domestic in China.
What in the bloody hell?! Jeezus!
What in the bloody hell?! Jeezus!
Yep, the release of WW2 in China this year is another historical moment for box office in China not too far from Titanic, Hero and Avatar status.
Just had to look what that means ^_^.
Yeah, pretty much what I think as well.
AuthenticM
Member
Avatar was a great fucking movie and I'll be there for the sequels.
This is why I love these threads. You learn so much. I reached my conclusion a little too quickly here. I forget that 2021 is fucking FOUR YEARS AWAY and the market can grow a LOT in that time.
We got a little kswis 2.0 here.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Everyone also wanna hazard a guess where all those post-Pandora withdrawal depression stories were coming from? Where they were holding Avatar-themed weddings?
Anybody wanna guess which filmmaker has been striking deals with Chinese production and distributions houses SINCE 2011 or so?
The Avatar sequels are going to murder the Chinese box office.
Whoever said Avatar won't make $1b worldwide is the new PheonixDark.
Anybody wanna guess which filmmaker has been striking deals with Chinese production and distributions houses SINCE 2011 or so?
The Avatar sequels are going to murder the Chinese box office.
Whoever said Avatar won't make $1b worldwide is the new PheonixDark.
chrisPjelly
Member
I hope James Cameron does his usual HARD genre shift to avoid sequelitis. I'd really hate Avatar 2 to just be battle for Pandora part 2.
AuthenticM
Member
what is this?
I bet it will be a rom-com.
No movie needs to exist, and neither do you.
This is why I love these threads. You learn so much. I reached my conclusion a little too quickly here. I forget that 2021 is fucking FOUR YEARS AWAY and the market can grow a LOT in that time.
We got a little kswis 2.0 here.
Yeah, the growth is kind of flattening out in China, but we should still see a lot of growth from now to 2021. A $1B film should already have appeared before Avatar 2's release. I can't wait till Dec/2020 to Early/2021, it's gonna be a spectacular time for box office fans.
SCULLIBUNDO
Banned
Mumblecore film.
Navi starring a quirky pregnant Navi girl played by Ellen Page.
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Teen actor Filip Geljo will make some serious green for playing one of the blue people in "Avatar 2" ... TMZ has learned.
The 15-year-old's set to appear in the next 2 sequels from director James Cameron, and will rake in at least $150,000 for his role, according to his contract. He'll also bank an additional $5k per day for any voice-over work he does ... if there's an 'Avatar' video game.
http://www.tmz.com/2017/09/23/odd-squad-child-actor-filip-geljo-avatar-sequels-contract/
For 150k I'm guessing he's playing Jake's son
CassidyIzABeast
Member
Definitely designed for it. He's been talking up doing HFR 3D right for a long time now. I imagine he's going to shooting it in native 3D with his Cameron/Pace Fusion camera again like he did on the first movie.
Interesting. Isn't 3D viewership dying?