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Microsoft told Pachter their E3 focus is on services over games, is this a good idea?
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Pretty much how I feel, exactly. It depresses me they are going in this direction, turning the console more into a media device than strictly a game console. It legit makes me sad to see how further the video game market "evolves" next gen.
It really doesn't matter. GAF might rage, but it's not going to make a lick of difference, just like nintendo's embarrassing 2008 conference didn't stop them from making some monster sales numbers that year.
I do think we'll get some hardware related announcement, though nothing to do with XB3. Probably kinect packed in with all 360s like Pachter is predicting or something along those lines.
I do think we'll get some hardware related announcement, though nothing to do with XB3. Probably kinect packed in with all 360s like Pachter is predicting or something along those lines.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Why do these "services" have to be included with almost every CE box I own?
TV= iPlayer, YouTube, Music Unlimited, VOD etc.
Bluray= Same
PS3= Same
Etc
Call me old fashioned but I want a video game system for video games!
TV= iPlayer, YouTube, Music Unlimited, VOD etc.
Bluray= Same
PS3= Same
Etc
Call me old fashioned but I want a video game system for video games!
GillianSeed79
Member
While I agree, it's become more and more apparent to me over the past couple of E3's that the big three don't care that ever diminishing core base of gamers is hanging on every word, sentence and announcement.
It seems like all three in recent years have been trying to appeal to the more mainstream audience and mainstream media. They are looking to be "the story" of E3 that will be somewhere in every major news service across the globe the next day.
If you didn't know anything about videogames and read something about the past few E3's the only thing you would know about is Kinect and the 3DS. It's great free advertising.
Kinect only taking up a third of the conference is way too hopeful.
Burntpork's got it right.
Kacho
Gold Member
I think he brought up a good point in saying that the core gamers have already purchased a 360 so they can't really rely on them to increase their hardware sales this late in the generation. They will show off Halo and Call of Duty and in the execs minds this is enough to appease the core gamers for another holiday season.
They will continue focusing on the ever improving interface options as well as the multimedia functions of the 360 to appeal to the broader market in hopes of pushing more units up until the launch of the next Xbox console. It's just a business decision and it makes a lot of sense if you think about it from that perspective.
They will continue focusing on the ever improving interface options as well as the multimedia functions of the 360 to appeal to the broader market in hopes of pushing more units up until the launch of the next Xbox console. It's just a business decision and it makes a lot of sense if you think about it from that perspective.
I think MS just needs its Nintendo moment. After Nintendo had its super casual E3 they realized E3 was not the place for it after the massive backlash. I just dont know if MS fans are brave enough to give MS that kind of backlash.
I don't know if MS fans give a shit to be honest. Not in the sort of "they betrayed us" way Sony and Nintendo fans do.
That was their intention since 2005.
Spieler Eins
Member
Has there ever been a really good MS conference? I feel that they are hardly remarkable in any way, neither good or bad. There's been some funny Kinect gifs in the past couple of years, but other than that... they are as exciting as the 3rd party conferences at best. I really don't give a shit about some service for sport watching and whatnot, b-celebrity guests, the latest Call of Duty demo, etc.
Their exclusive games content is simply too poor.
Their exclusive games content is simply too poor.
GillianSeed79
Member
At least the gifs will be glorious. As a 360 fan, last year's E3 was horrible, but the gifs kept me laughing for days. If we have at least one Shawn Michaels-caliber Kinect gif this year it will be worth it.
I think there is that too. I have to deal with alot of younger gamers frequently for focus testing etc and I find that most of them who play 360 near exclusively basically dont care what happens as long as they have a Halo or Call of Duty to play.
honestly, i think this is the correct answer.
Uno Venova
Banned
Disappointing but I don't expect much from them anymore.
Entertainment has eclipsed gaming on XBL and they're streaming E3 over Xbox Live.
Besides, they no longer need to sell the 360 to the gamer, because every gamer that ever considered buying a 360 probably already bought one (or more). I'm sure next year will be quite different, though, because they'll be selling their next console to hardcore gamers first (while 360 continues to sell to everyone else as a multimedia hub).
I believe it was their intention even before the first Xbox. After the failure of WebTV and the growing success of Sony in the console space - who is an electronics company first - they saw an in through console gaming. This was inevitable.
dream
Member
That's the direction this is going in, though. Games are a small part of a broader strategy now.
Terrible idea. As someone said this seems to be have been their strategy the past couple of years. Their 1st party exclusive E3 reveals have been less than stellar. If I were them I'd show a trailer for an awesome first party title with graphics that are obviously well beyond the capabilities of any current consoles (whilst making clear all footage is actual in-game/in engine) then at the end of the trailer display an enigmatic message saying "coming soon to the..." or "exploding onto consoles 2013" or something along those lines. Basically reveal the software before the hardware. Have people buzzing about their new console without even mentioning it. Of course you'd some convinced it was a 360 game and maybe the full power of the 360 has finally been unlocked... which would be a good thing. You'd get all kinds of positive MS buzz, with the 360 possibly benefiting from some of it. Something along the lines of the Killzone 2 reveal... only less bullshit and without it clearly being announced as being on their new console.
HocusPocus
Member
They just want 3rd parties to make the games. That strategy has been effective this generation since 3rd parties are making the majority of the best experiences. They have Halo 4 for 1st.
InaudibleWhispa
Member
We're to assume the bulk of their first party is working on next-gen projects. It's the 360's last major year, so it's fine that they only have Halo, Forza and Kinect Fable (and a bunch of strong Live Arcade titles) if their new studios/development money are building strong next-gen content. Services are things that can build the platform and cross generations and hardware, even if they're less exciting. Games can be covered by the third party, which takes up 95% of releases on both consoles, and the couple of strong first party licenses already announced.
famousmortimer
Banned
If you love microsoft corporation this is good news.
If you love video games this is not good news.
If you love video games this is not good news.
Exactly. They are trying to make the 360 attractive to people even when the new Xbox is out. Really obvious.
Good point. But yeah, I said 2005 since I remember their E3 conference that year stating what they wanted the 360 to be (e.g.: "your media/entertainment hub").
CountAntonius
Member
I don't really see gaming consoles being strictly gaming consoles for long. With how many people use their ps3/360wii's for netflix vs gaming it just makes sense. Even a pc isn't strictly gaming. I just hope they keep improving the gaming aspect as well.
Red Blaster
Member
Microsoft "selling out" is a pretty fascinating story this gen.
dream
Member
A lot of people seem to want Microsoft to target the niche when there's clearly a bigger audience to attract. I get that it sort of feels like seeing your favorite indie band get big but going for a broader audience doesn't mean you won't have your video games; it just means there will be other things to take advantage of other than playing video games.
The direction Microsoft is going >.> Sony too... sadness.
I dont care about hulu or pulu, they are already on like 20 devices in most peoples homes...
And microsoft can show this stuff off at forum appropriate events, e3 is about games.
Its like going to the Circus to eat the popcorn.
flyinpiranha
Member
It's totally been about games, just not ones the core demographic of GAF would enjoy.
As for the topic, I think I'm out Microsoft. Your new dashboard is more annoying than a 1999 Angelfire homemade website and it's become little about what I own and more about what I should own.
Fuck it. I'll probably stick to PC gaming unless the neXtBox is something really amazing. I'm a console gamer more-so than PC gaming but it's the last refuge of somebody who wants to be in control of what they see.
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Deleted member 13876
Unconfirmed Member
For the US maybe, but the fruits of those deals hardly ever reach Belgium, so no in my case that sounds entirely uneventful.
And if you love both?
chickdigger802
Banned
We all know that Games for Windows Live will make a huge comeback for win 8 this year.
RIGHT
RIGHT?
RIGHT
RIGHT?
HocusPocus
Member
If they have the worst E3 ever it won't matter a damn bit and I'll laugh at it while leveling my Barbarian in Diablo 3.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Well E3 is gonna be the same as last years as of who had the best..
Portugeezer
Member
Everyone just go with Nintendo, they are the only saviours next gen.
Probably, but they've really been selling it these past few years. It's made for disappointing E3s at the very least. I didn't bother to even watch their conference last year.
the console version?
Mutanthands
Member
Why would you even wait? Did you really expect some sort of revolutionary announcement for the nearly 7 year old console, this late in the generation, that would change you mind about the console? Bullshit.
People want megatons every conference. It's a fucking press event. This should be no surprise to any of you, considering Microsofts direction in the last 2 years. Put a "Shocking News" in the title.
TheBaldEmperor
Member
Makes me feel better about selling my system a while ago. Not that I felt bad. There just doesn't seem to be much content on the horizon that is of interest to me. Was never really interested in the extra stuff that was not game related.
akilshohen
Member
it's gonna be: Halo 4 gameplay, COD playthrough of water level, Tomb Raider gameplay, Kinect footage, but what new service could they possibly be showing off?
Sounds like it's gonna be EXACTLY like E3 2011's presentation.
Sounds like it's gonna be EXACTLY like E3 2011's presentation.