GiantEnemyGoomba
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Same here. This is such a huge feature for me. I can already imagine playing NSMBU or ACIII in bed. It will be glorious.
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Wii U Thread - Now in HD!
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Same here. This is such a huge feature for me. I can already imagine playing NSMBU or ACIII in bed. It will be glorious.
Kind of...err...jumping to conclusions, to judge NSMB2 impact on 3DS just from the first week / month (respectively US and Europe. No, just UK, not even Europe. And there it's doing better than NSMB in a much worse market compared to how it was in 2006), I fear.
ScreenSplitter
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Apart from Ubisoft. Ubisoft and Nintendo be tight.
Shin Johnpv
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I'm just not buying the CPU info. I don't think Broadway was ever meant to go to 1ghz or higher. I have a feeling that it's another chip that's similar with additional stuff to make backwards compatibility easier.
I just have a hard time believing they would go with a more modern GPU and then just slap 3 broadway cores in there, and some how get it past 1ghz.
He called a bunch of people f_____rds.
I'll let you fill the blank to avoid the ban myself.It's in the Rumor Wii U specs thread.
thanks guys. nice meltdown^^
DXB-KNIGHT
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The rumored Wii U spec thread is like a Venus Trap :/
ScreenSplitter
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It's fun to watch though, just as long as you don't get into arguments with the people quoting CPU speeds, DX11's and RAM all over the place.
Shin Johnpv
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The point he's making is that it can't be 3 broadway chips since it's multi-threaded.
Something that acts similar to broadway, its programamble like broadway?
Would make it more easier for Nintendo developers, I guess.
Perhaps the graphic chip will have a similar in somewhat to Wii/GC then, in terms of programing.
Nintendo does their own things for Japan. I think it will before TGS could be anytime between today and September 20th. I say the day before maybe it will be sooner. They could release Wii U after the North American release like they did with the original Wii.
Yep. "enhanced broadway" means nothing. Sounds like an off hand comparison (maybe based on the overall clock speed?) rather than a literal description. I could obviously be wrong though.
Also, how is a beefed up broadway anything remotely to do with Power7? I'm not saying it was ever going to be a power7 but what about the confirmation it's using the 'same chips' as Watson (which are power7's)?
And to clarify, this isn't me trying to say its going to perform better than "3 broadways", just that describing it as such is a strange thing to say. Especially if this is supposed to have come from the warioworld.com developer site. Would Nintendo say that?
Colour me confused and a little skeptical.
The CPU wouldn't change from multi-threaded to single threaded though.
Shin Johnpv
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Sure, that makes sense. People how ever are taking it to mean 3 literal Broadway CPU's slapped together and with a clock speed turned up. I just can't see that being the case for a number of reasons.
GameplayWhore
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is it just me or do these shapes have hard corners? Really odd, I know, but you'd think nintendo would go with round corners...and it bugs me.
I guess this means that Nintendo is really "hard cor" now.
It is entirely possible to have a chip that uses the same architecture with a pretty different microarchitecture. My Phenom II runs code made for the original, decade-plus-old 32-bit Athlon. In the same manner, it could be said that the cpu is "Multiple beefed up Athlon cores at a higher clock", even if that description is a bit disingenuous.
So Nintendo could have had custom designed a multithreaded core that simply kept the ISA of the Broadway (or a superset thereof), so they get the benefit of full backwards compatibility (without having to deal with emulation) but much higher performance, in terms of both IPC and total vroom.
fabricated backlash
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I guess this means that Nintendo is really "hard cor" now.
It is entirely possible to have a chip that uses the same architecture with a pretty different microarchitecture. My Phenom II runs code made for the original, decade-plus-old 32-bit Athlon. In the same manner, it could be said that the cpu is "Multiple beefed up Athlon cores at a higher clock", even if that description is a bit disingenuous.
So Nintendo could have had custom designed a multithreaded core that simply kept the ISA of the Broadway (or a superset thereof), so they get the benefit of full backwards compatibility (without having to deal with emulation) but much higher performance, in terms of both IPC and total vroom.
If you're being that liberal you could say that my i7 is based on the calculus.
Wow. Also, 'Burntporked' should be a new verb.
As for the round corners thing above^, is it in image? If not, it could be CSS, explaining the hard edges for ease?
I am still a little confused though, because as far as I can tell, the 47x cores are not multi-threaded, and we've heard two conflicting reports about the WiiU CPU being multi-threaded or not. I had theorized that it has 6 47x cores in 3 logical groups (I believe someone else had originally postulated this), but now I'm not so sure.
RETRO'S GAME AT SEPTEMBER CONF OR BUST CHOO CHOOOO.
Fourth Storm
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Man this thread has picked up. Thursday looms - wish I had off work...
My bad. Credit to wsippel. But regards to you both for keeping these threads interesting with fresh scoops...
gDDR3, unless I'm mistaken, is pretty much regular DDR3 just fine tuned to hold up to the rigors of gaming. So whatever you want to call it, I believe we can agree on them 2 gigabit DDR3 chips (DDR3 2133 downclocked to 960 Mhz).
I understand your stance on capacity. However, I still see 1.5 GB as a safer bet. If the 1 GB of RAM in the dev kits for system applications was so untouchable and such a mystery, why can't we just assume that, just as they did for the 1 GB of RAM available to games, they added twice as much as needed to the dev kits? So the final system would be targeting 512 MB for system applications, with the extra 512 in dev kits for debug, a safety net for experimenting, etc. It even says in that old specs sheet that dev kits would have up to 3 GB (which aligns w/ what you and Ideaman have told us regarding the breakdown of what RAM is available to whom and for what), and that retail units would have half that. So even if Nintendo included 1 GB for "OS" in the dev kits, they clearly state that the final would not.
I think all of that stacking talk was hypothetical, but you never know. That said, I believe it's possible that the eDRAM is right on-chip, not an MCM, but fully embedded ,as on Flipper and POWER7. As we've discussed, it wouldn't add much to die size or TDP, and the benefits would be numerous.
Thursday looms - wish I had off work...My bad. Credit to wsippel. But regards to you both for keeping these threads interesting with fresh scoops...
gDDR3, unless I'm mistaken, is pretty much regular DDR3 just fine tuned to hold up to the rigors of gaming. So whatever you want to call it, I believe we can agree on them 2 gigabit DDR3 chips (DDR3 2133 downclocked to 960 Mhz).
I understand your stance on capacity. However, I still see 1.5 GB as a safer bet. If the 1 GB of RAM in the dev kits for system applications was so untouchable and such a mystery, why can't we just assume that, just as they did for the 1 GB of RAM available to games, they added twice as much as needed to the dev kits? So the final system would be targeting 512 MB for system applications, with the extra 512 in dev kits for debug, a safety net for experimenting, etc. It even says in that old specs sheet that dev kits would have up to 3 GB (which aligns w/ what you and Ideaman have told us regarding the breakdown of what RAM is available to whom and for what), and that retail units would have half that. So even if Nintendo included 1 GB for "OS" in the dev kits, they clearly state that the final would not.
I think all of that stacking talk was hypothetical, but you never know. That said, I believe it's possible that the eDRAM is right on-chip, not an MCM, but fully embedded ,as on Flipper and POWER7. As we've discussed, it wouldn't add much to die size or TDP, and the benefits would be numerous.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Your i7 is based on the abacus.
GameplayWhore
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But the i7 doesn't have any calculus instructions. It would have to emulate them.
Wii U coming to san francisco. Sign up on their facebook page to be notified about more details at a future date.
https://www.facebook.com/WiiU/posts/388754787859067
When you click and sign up it says "We'll contact you soon with more information if you are one of the first registrants for this event"
Be fast, GAF. Pretty sure I'll be attending
https://www.facebook.com/WiiU/posts/388754787859067
When you click and sign up it says "We'll contact you soon with more information if you are one of the first registrants for this event"
Be fast, GAF. Pretty sure I'll be attending
Just because I'm gaseous doesn't mean I don't have life intelligent and big enough to kick youranus.
>:3
Back on focus though:
Heh, I think the last thing people have on their minds at the moment is relaxation of any kind, though my own jelly beans are seriously bouncing for some new footage on the main Wii U UI.
Gddr3 is enhanced ddr2 memory, Gddr4/5 is based on ddr3.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR3
The Wii uses Gddr3 from what I know.
I started to read the Wii U spec thread, and now I know why NeoGAF has the reputation it does. Specs really do bring out the worst in people. Still, not as bad as other sites.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDDR3
The Wii uses Gddr3 from what I know.
I started to read the Wii U spec thread, and now I know why NeoGAF has the reputation it does. Specs really do bring out the worst in people. Still, not as bad as other sites.
Fourth Storm
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Wsippel posted a theory that sounds like what you describe. Basically 6 cores split into 3 groups of 2, with each pair sharing cache and some other stages. Personally, I've fallen into the no SMT camp. Not that I'm down on Wii U - this is not personal to me. I just judge those reports as more likely accurate given what we know...and lherre has been awfully silent since his initially throwing that info out there.
What I've been wondering is why is Core 1 the one with the fat cache and not Core 0. Does it make a difference? Would Nintendo really tie up a core w/ background OS-level features? What would possibly be running simultaneously w/ the game that it needs a core? An Arm Cortex A5 at 480 Mhz should be able to run the OS kernel just as Starlet did on Wii...
Fourth Storm
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Don't confuse GDDR3 with gDDR3. The first is what you refer to being based off DDR2. The latter is cleverly marketed DDR3.
Edit: Boo on me for back to backs. ha
fabricated backlash
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Last Millennia confirmed... that shit shop sold me an outdated Laptop... how many Abacus duct taped together is an i7? I feel scammed.
So it's inferior?
evilromero
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Would love some early Wednesday night leaks.
I guess this means that Nintendo is really "hard cor" now.
It is entirely possible to have a chip that uses the same architecture with a pretty different microarchitecture. My Phenom II runs code made for the original, decade-plus-old 32-bit Athlon. In the same manner, it could be said that the cpu is "Multiple beefed up Athlon cores at a higher clock", even if that description is a bit disingenuous.
So Nintendo could have had custom designed a multithreaded core that simply kept the ISA of the Broadway (or a superset thereof), so they get the benefit of full backwards compatibility (without having to deal with emulation) but much higher performance, in terms of both IPC and total vroom.
someone HAD to do it
Wsippel posted a theory that sounds like what you describe. Basically 6 cores split into 3 groups of 2, with each pair sharing cache and some other stages. Personally, I've fallen into the no SMT camp. Not that I'm down on Wii U - this is not personal to me. I just judge those reports as more likely accurate given what we know...and lherre has been awfully silent since his initially throwing that info out there.
What I've been wondering is why is Core 1 the one with the fat cache and not Core 0. Does it make a difference? Would Nintendo really tie up a core w/ background OS-level features? What would possibly be running simultaneously w/ the game that it needs a core? An Arm Cortex A5 at 480 Mhz should be able to run the OS kernel just as Starlet did on Wii...
I knew I had seen that before, thanks for letting me know who to credit. IIRC, he also said something along the lines that SMT isn't the be-all, end-all of multi-processing, and in some cases SMP is a better option. That would certainly be inline with this.
BTW, where did you see that Core 1 is the one with the larger cache? I don't remember seeing that anywhere.
Here's a basic summary (this thread has more swings than a playground):
Wii U is great.
Wii U sucks.
Wii U is great.
Wii U sucks.
Wii U is great.
Wii U sucks.
Wii U is great.
Wii U sucks.
THURSDAYTON!!!! (There's a conference on Thursday that is supposed to show games, price, launch date and possibly the OS)
Thursday's event is the very meaning of our entire existence here.
ScreenSplitter
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Basically going to describe the launch date, pricing, and launch lineup for the WiiU we hope, as well as clean up confusing issues like when we can use the GamePad, how the OS works, plans for the digital storefront etc.
Spieler Eins
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Nothing of significance was announced, but thursday will now have launch details such as the price.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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At this point, I don't want any leaks before Thursday. We've been kept in the dark for too long about a lot of stuff. I don't think it would be the same if we were told everything tomorrow.
Smiles and Cries
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can't really be disappointed unless you were expecting more from those chips
this is very much on par with what we all expected day 1 of speculation threads
Final launch detail blowout.
Last two months? I really can't remember.
- The usual techno-babble,
- UE4 possibly already officially supports Wii U,
- box art designs leaked,
- New Super Mario Bros U has a Super Mario World-style overworld map with branching paths and all.
- Battle Mii tech demo turned into Metroid Blast in NintendoLand, features glowy lights, 5 players
- Balloon Trip Breeze attraction based on Balloon Fight, Epic Yarn artstyle.
- Stephen Totilo at Kotaku seems to be one of the few who "gets" the Wii U (wrote article about Miiverse, detailing the stuff we learned about in the pre-E3 Nintendo Direct but reiterated in a personal interview with Iwata)
- Mass Effect 3 port may turn out to be the best version of the game, more quick slots for skills on screen, map. Includes motion comic by Dark Horse that lets you make choices from ME1+2 (like the PS3 port of ME2 did)
- John Carmack would've loved to put Doom 3 BFG Edition on Wii U and Vita but the Powers That Be don't want him to. (weird paraphrase here, don't read too much into it)
- Retro hired a bunch of former idSoftware/Treyarch, Vigil, Naughty Dog, etc veterans
that's all I got right now
10 AM EST
Zero Pikmin 3 info.
He's also said in the past that the Wii U should be powerful enough to run PS4/720 games on lower settings somewhat comparably to Xbox-->PS2.
ScreenSplitter
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Oh well. My sleeping patterns shall not be affected. New Zelda/Mario/Metroid will still look gorgeous.
I don't think the comparison Xbox / PS2 will apply at all, unless you think the other two nextgen consoles will also cheap out on almost everything.
We'll see. Excited for the conference on thursday though!
MadeInBeats
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It just confirms that he knew about this 'rumour' before we did, as did EC. Do they know what the CPU consists of though, speed, same for the GPU?!?!?! Yes... No... Do you?
He also seconded the comment "The knee-jerk reactions in this thread are pure gold. Thread delivers."
FFS.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41992433&postcount=726
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