atomic moth
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You guys are ignoring that large Microsoft blurb posted on the last page.
Ubisoft is banking on the game selling more with two additional platforms (Xbox 360 + PS3) because they have a larger user base, and that's understandable. However, when Rayman Origins released on these two platforms, their user bases were already large (130+ Million) and the game still sold like shit.
It's the easiest thing to bypass. Ubisoft is given a wad of cash, and they say "no, we just have to delay the game, it has nothing to do with Microsoft's alleged policy". Hell, maybe even the prospect of selling a lot more copies is enough for Ubisoft.
I see the Microsoft's policy as one contender, but look at the way it has exposed the Wii U? It's become so stagnant, MS and Sony might be succeeding in making it completely irrelevant. Don't be surprised if this continuous flow of "leaks" are controlled leaks that shift all eyes towards what's coming, and away from the Wii U. The Wii U had a big hitter this month, Rayman, and with this delay, combined with more leaks, everyone seems to forgetting about the Wii U. And they might be succeeding in keeping prospective buyers away from the Wii U for long enough that when they line up with their 350$ to get a premium by summer, their new consoles will already be released. And hey, it's just "a few month away" - why not just skip the Wii U and go for the next gen console?
MS and Sony know this is their chance to diminish Nintendo's market share, and capture the enormous casual market they've been getting a raging hard on ever since a year before the managed to squeeze out Kinect and Move in order to steal away from Nintendo. They just might be succeeding.
You guys are ignoring that large Microsoft blurb posted on the last page.
As I already mentioned such a policy is against EU regulations
How comes that this Microsoft "rule" does not apply to Ninja Gaiden?
You guys are ignoring that large Microsoft blurb posted on the last page.
How comes that this Microsoft "rule" does not apply to Ninja Gaiden?
Microsoft can choose to sign or not sign any games they want on their system. Nothing states that a game has to get on their service, disc or otherwise.
Management most likely made their initial decision based off of Nintendo's own estimates for Wii U sales.
Huh, I am quite worried about that dev who made the comment. It's all over the internet now and I am pretty sure he is gonna get in trouble
Do you have any evidence of this?
Eu competition rules do
Just wait for the internet's reaction if word gets out that this guy got fired over this.
I'm not buying that game from the devs. I'm buying it from the fucktards who decided it would be in their best interests to delay a game that should have been done as an exclusive to WiiU for purely commercial reasons.
I'm voting with my wallet.
What? No, they don't. Right now you're saying that EU's laws require all games to be released on all systems.
Do you have any evidence of this?
Do I have evidence of why I *guessed* what I guessed? Sales were far below Nintendo's own stated expectations. Nintendo dropped the sales outlook by 1.5 million consoles. A week later Ubisoft announces this change. So yes, that informed my guess.
Just wait for the internet's reaction if word gets out that this guy got fired over this.
Do I have evidence of why I *guessed* what I guessed? Sales were far below Nintendo's own stated expectations. Nintendo dropped the sales outlook by 1.5 million consoles. A week later Ubisoft announces this change. So yes, that informed my guess.
If you think they only chose to delay just this week...
Right, as long as we establish that you've completely made up this assertion you keep repeating, it's totally acceptable.
If you think they only chose to delay just this week...
Lol @ "internet reaction"
That's how assertions are made, yes.
More than this, Ubisoft are calculating that:
Combined sales of Feb Wii U release + PS3 / 360 Sep release << combined sales of simultaneous Sep WiiU/PS3/360 release
so
1) They see a big bump in Wii U sales coming (unlikely)
2) They think some substantial proportion of Wii U sales will inhibit PS3 / 360 sales (highly challengable)
or 3) They think moving the date will have neglible impact on Wii U sales (I don't think this is true either).
I really don't get this. I don't buy this microsoft simultaneous release conspiracy theory, we aren't talking about a little indie title with XBLA release, we are talking a major publisher with enough clout to stand up for themselves.
I signed it, though I believe journalists doing their job and all asking Yves Guillemot if cust sat means anything to him would probably be more effective.Well, an official petition has been created in response to this. For anyone interested and wanting to try and get Rayman released on time for Wii U owners, sign it here.
http://www.change.org/petitions/ubi...ayman-legends-release-date-for-the-wii-u#sign
If there is enough of a shit storm, and I bet they change their minds. Companies have been swayed by forum chatter recently. People say there are no Wii U games, and they get a January E3 from Iwata. Mass Effect 3's ending sucks, and we get a new one. Dead Island's stupid statue that no one was buying anyways is offensive, let's get rid of it.
It depends on how vocal these Rayman Wii U people are. It's a small audience.
Any good news for us Wii U users? Please throw me a bone.
It's relative. At the moment, people have the pitchforks out, but if Ubisoft announce an eShop release along with PR bullshit about doing this due to "overwhelming passion from our fans" while explaining that they want "retail synergy" entwined with some nonsense about production lines and a lot of people will suddenly think "hey, at least they listened and tried to work around it..." and, well, I don't see a downside.
Can someone think of another game that was delayed so last minute despite the game being finished for marketing reasons and for so long ? I vaguely remember one year were quite a few games were delayed from the fall to feb/march to avoid the heavy fall competition (it still happens quite often but that year in particular was quite bad) but I can't pinpoint a delay comparable to this.
Wasn't NFS:MW finished in time for Wii U launch but delayed until this spring or was that rumor debunked?Can someone think of another game that was delayed so last minute despite the game being finished for marketing reasons and for so long ? I vaguely remember one year were quite a few games were delayed from the fall to feb/march to avoid the heavy fall competition (it still happens quite often but that year in particular was quite bad) but I can't pinpoint a delay comparable to this.
Anarchy Reigns.
Seems a bit different though ?
Judging from wiki, what happened with that one is that it was supposed to be a worldwide release but then 2 months before they released they shelved the international part of the release then released it in japan on said date then said it was gonna be released in Europe and NA in March 2013 but later backtracked to release it two months earlier than that ?
It seems to be a bit different though ? Two months is not 2 weeks ? Was the translation completed on time ? I dunno, maybe I am too used to playing japanese games months after they come out in Japan so this seems more like a dev being too optimistic ( still waiting to hear on Yakuza 5...)
It's true that there is a bit of a time discrepancy but the delay wasn't confirmed at that point in time, it was a silent switch to "TBC 2012" on their website. Platinum Games then mentioned that Sega put it on hold indefinitely but it was dubious as to whether it was confirmed or not as per word from a number of reps. PG had admitted that the game had gone gold already and that the Japanese, European and American games were identical, so Sega were just sitting on the release at that point.
Most people expected it wouldn't be a big delay, a couple of weeks most, but then a couple of weeks before the target JP release they openly say on Twitter to the countless of people posting them that they'd delayed the Western release of the game to some time in the first quarter of 2013, which was over a half year.
The worst part was that Platinum Games did not know about this at all until Sega said it on Twitter, and Inaba stated he felt pretty burned about the deal. The excuse Sega had was something about "not being able to press discs". I didn't follow it much after they finally announced the date, either way it was bad.
Ubisoft being Ubisoft, what a surprise.
This game has bomba written all over it. It will be released in a period were there will be GTA 5 and probably some of the big guns of Nintendo itself, I don't see how can this possibly end well for Ubisoft.
I feel bad for the devs.
Why isn't Iwata on the phone with Ancel making him an offer?
I keep seeing people saying it's a bad move because it'S gonna come out the same time as GTA 5 but I really don't see these games competing at all.
Do you think people will spend 60 dollars on GTA and another 60 dollars on Rayman in the same period? Look at Epic Mickey 2, the game was released in a bunch of platforms and sold less than the first game.I keep seeing people saying it's a bad move because it'S gonna come out the same time as GTA 5 but I really don't see these games competing at all. So it'S not relevant imho, on the other hand as you said, Nintendo should have some other stuff in its sleeve by then and yah I do think Rayman will sell less bc of that on the Wii U. Ubisoft knows that as well but they figure that the extra market from the ps3/360 will compensate and it most likely will. The one thing I don't fully understand is why they don't try to just get the best of both worlds and release it now on the Wii U and then later on the ps360. Apart from the advertizing costs, there is also that Microsoft policy that was mentioned earlier. I guess they figured it wasn't worth risking the ire of Microsoft over this. Microsoft is most likely very adamant about that rule since that's an integral part of their strategy of how they decided to counter Sony having more exclusives.
1. I think would mean death of the platform. They need to have gained momentum and growth by september when wii fit and wii party is released 3 i agree with.More than this, Ubisoft are calculating that:
Combined sales of Feb Wii U release + PS3 / 360 Sep release << combined sales of simultaneous Sep WiiU/PS3/360 release
so
1) They see a big bump in Wii U sales coming (unlikely)
2) They think some substantial proportion of Wii U sales will inhibit PS3 / 360 sales (highly challengable)
or 3) They think moving the date will have neglible impact on Wii U sales (I don't think this is true either).
I really don't get this. I don't buy this microsoft simultaneous release conspiracy theory, we aren't talking about a little indie title with XBLA release, we are talking a major publisher with enough clout to stand up for themselves.