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#PS4NoDRM #XboxOneNoDRM || Now do you "Believe?"
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Jondoyle123
Neo Member
could someone add xbox drm to my avatar please
I've never ever joined one of these Avatar fads or scheme's in all my GAF posting, but for me, this one is so important that I'm joining in. No used games and the potential DRM changes are huge deals to me, enough for me to not buy these consoles altogether. Seriously, Sony, Microsoft, pay attention. We are your market and the consumers who make or break your products, do not respond to years of customer loyalty and dedication with despicable anti-consumer measures.
Publishers...
It's sad only to think about how their greed may destroy the gaming community.
I want to become a game developer, and i'm starting my studies next term. And i know that, if you want your game to be played and enjoyed by many people, you can't punish gamers like this, even at some cost for the developers.
I don't intent to become rich creating games. I only want to earn money with a job i really love. And i joined this cause not only as a gamer, but as a future developer who sees a grim future if thinks keep going this way.
Also, I understand that the sudden boost of fame has attracted a lot of newcomers to NeoGAF, like me, but please know i'm here because i want to help and i'm glad to join an enormous gaming community like this one. And i'm sure i'm not the only one. Please give us a chance.
Baller. PhD
Banned
Krusenstern
Banned
Jondoyle123
Neo Member
thanks champ
So i assume this has been suggested already, i don't know... anyway
I see some activist group is currently using Twitter to have a "tweet storm" about badger culling, and they got the word out by tweeting an imagine about 12 hours before the start. Obviously it spread through retweets and stuff.
So it might be a good way to get the word out about what we're doing and when. If that makes sense... >.<
I see some activist group is currently using Twitter to have a "tweet storm" about badger culling, and they got the word out by tweeting an imagine about 12 hours before the start. Obviously it spread through retweets and stuff.
So it might be a good way to get the word out about what we're doing and when. If that makes sense... >.<
Krusenstern
Banned
This is not breaking news. The statement Yoshida gave was from the PS4 reveal.
The date of the article is 31.05.2013. how can this be old?
Baller. PhD
Banned
Crap fan site reporting news late, nothing new here.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
oh please let this be real! I will get a PS4 day one and support publishers that release great games with no DRM
EDIT: whoops got my hopes up
Well fuck me, I fell for that one. My bad, I've edited my previous post to avoid confusion.
Exploding8
Member
These banners make me happy <3
uuaschbaer
Banned
I think we should use the hashtag #XboxOneNotAlwaysOn for the xbone for the following reasoning:
1. There are 3 reason why the xbone must be always on: (a) used game DRM sells far more games, (b) used game DRM strengthens the relationship with EA et al. (c) Microsoft relies on data mining.
2. (a) is widely disputed, (b) is unnecessary hence Sony not having used game DRM, (c) is left.
3. Data mining requires an internet connection (to transmit data) and a kinect to gather data on your height, sex, voice and appearance. Both an internet connection and the kinect are obligatory and, while an internet connection may be said to be obligatory for DRM, Microsoft hasn't given a reason for the obligation to have your kinect connected.
(Extra point: Microsoft may want to be the All-in-One for your entertainment, and move away from gamers-income, for the same reason Google wants to provide you with all the online apps you will ever need.)
IF this is so, then Microsoft could announce that used game DRM is scrapped, ride the wave of good PR we brought them and still innocently demand always-on without having sacrificed much. That's a spin, because always-on is a step backwards from the 360 and I don't want to help them with that. Therefore I propose we use a hashtag like #XboxOneNotAlwaysOn for the Xbone.
1. There are 3 reason why the xbone must be always on: (a) used game DRM sells far more games, (b) used game DRM strengthens the relationship with EA et al. (c) Microsoft relies on data mining.
2. (a) is widely disputed, (b) is unnecessary hence Sony not having used game DRM, (c) is left.
3. Data mining requires an internet connection (to transmit data) and a kinect to gather data on your height, sex, voice and appearance. Both an internet connection and the kinect are obligatory and, while an internet connection may be said to be obligatory for DRM, Microsoft hasn't given a reason for the obligation to have your kinect connected.
(Extra point: Microsoft may want to be the All-in-One for your entertainment, and move away from gamers-income, for the same reason Google wants to provide you with all the online apps you will ever need.)
IF this is so, then Microsoft could announce that used game DRM is scrapped, ride the wave of good PR we brought them and still innocently demand always-on without having sacrificed much. That's a spin, because always-on is a step backwards from the 360 and I don't want to help them with that. Therefore I propose we use a hashtag like #XboxOneNotAlwaysOn for the Xbone.
Well he's right? Don't get me wrong I despise banning used sales, but if someone deserves a cut it's the publisher/developer.
Baller. PhD
Banned
"No DRM" implies "not always on." Besides, we need to capitalize on the success we've already achieved with #PS4NoDRM. The hashtags need to match.
Anyway, added a Take2 tweet link in the news story:
http://www.ps4nodrm.com/1/post/2013/05/take-two-ceo-wants-a-cut-of-used-game-tax.html
Orpheus Telos
Member
Baller. PhD
Banned
THQ is back from the dead already?
lawl, whoops
uuaschbaer
Banned
We shouldn't allow them to interpret it as "No used-game DRM." (They could still implement always-on under the guise of normal DRM.) If they do they've used us. We can avoid that.
Krusenstern
Banned
Thank you. I'll change it at night
10101
Gold Member
I agree with Baller, the #ps4nodrm tag has been pretty successful and I think it implies we won't stand for any of the DRM bullshit, which also includes always on.
Baller - just tweeted that take two link, loving the "I'll worry about my own taxes message" lol. Had to tweak it a bit as I'll probably get a ban again, but great nonetheless.
On the take two vid, if anyone should get a cut it probably should be the pub/dev and not the platform holder. That said I don't think any of them should get a cut for a second sale, it's just greedy. The industry may well need fixing, but I don't think fleecing consumers is going to help in fixing anything.
Baleoce
Member
Well my video got into the NeoGAF GT promo, I tried to raise a bit more awareness for this cause, so hopefully it'll help
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/x7ynpc/shift-neogaf-speaks
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/x7ynpc/shift-neogaf-speaks
Krusenstern
Banned
Has anyone tried contacting the Electronic Frontier Foundation? They're an international digital rights group, and could help us.
https://www.eff.org/
https://www.eff.org/
10101
Gold Member
Nice one dude, only one representing UKGAF too! Double win lolWell my video got into the NeoGAF GT promo, I tried to raise a bit more awareness for this cause, so hopefully it'll help
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/x7ynpc/shift-neogaf-speaks
Krusenstern
Banned
Well my video got into the NeoGAF GT promo, I tried to raise a bit more awareness for this cause, so hopefully it'll help
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/x7ynpc/shift-neogaf-speaks
At around 1:02? Thank you, we appreciate it!
We should definitely write them. Won't hurt if we try.
Baller. PhD
Banned
Well my video got into the NeoGAF GT promo, I tried to raise a bit more awareness for this cause, so hopefully it'll help
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/x7ynpc/shift-neogaf-speaks
omfg @ blamespace
jimforspeed
Neo Member
Hello everyone, just got validated (ultra fast btw).
I was following the discussion in the other thread when the idea for the twitter campaign started, and, to be honest I was really thinking "nice but too ambitious"...but whoa, you guys are really amazing.
Made a twitter account for that and sent 4-5 tweets. Been reading the discussion ever since, and I also spread the word in the biggest Greek forum together with a couple more guys (not a first-page article yet though).
Good job, seriously.
I was following the discussion in the other thread when the idea for the twitter campaign started, and, to be honest I was really thinking "nice but too ambitious"...but whoa, you guys are really amazing.
Made a twitter account for that and sent 4-5 tweets. Been reading the discussion ever since, and I also spread the word in the biggest Greek forum together with a couple more guys (not a first-page article yet though).
Good job, seriously.
Well my video got into the NeoGAF GT promo, I tried to raise a bit more awareness for this cause, so hopefully it'll help
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/x7ynpc/shift-neogaf-speaks
Just watched the video. That's awesome! Thanks for helping!
Well my video got into the NeoGAF GT promo, I tried to raise a bit more awareness for this cause, so hopefully it'll help
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/x7ynpc/shift-neogaf-speaks
Doritos at the end lol
Krusenstern
Banned
After thinking about it, can someone do the No DRM tags for my avatar? One or both them, I don't mind
That's the last one for today. It's bedtime.
uuaschbaer
Banned
Ok, I just felt I should mention it.
Welcome, hope you enjoy it here!
Baleoce
Member
Well, no DRM from Sony anyway. But other publishers are free to implement it on the PS4 platform if this update is to be believed. Sadly this is what a lot of us suspected would be the case.
So it's a status quo sort-of.
Just like I'm free to ignore games with GFWL on PC.
there is a huge difference... just like with PS3, publishers have options but 99% did not implement restrictive ones.
Microsoft is building completely managed system for games on XO, and it is Microsoft that will mandate this solution.... so there is no work on publisher side, and they dont have to actually implement anything.
On PS3, each individual publisher would have to invent and implement such solution and it would be almost impossible to do in the same way simply because they cant control in the same way that Microsoft or Sony can/could.
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