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Dudebro: MSIFUSIHTS/SY2: The Straight-Up Official Thread!
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I can't find anything on Grimoire RPG other than this, and the brand seems to be called "Golden Era Games". Hey if you want to get some infringement action, why don't you bug these guys: http://www.darkgrimoire.com/contact.php
Wel there is this : http://darkgrimoire.com/
But!!
for GAF we have permision
and the bioshock etc. stuff is all fair use act.
I am not worried, and if not someone messing with us I would love to return the favor to them and put in a counter suit for incomprable damages they did to our game development process.
But!!
for GAF we have permision
and the bioshock etc. stuff is all fair use act.
I am not worried, and if not someone messing with us I would love to return the favor to them and put in a counter suit for incomprable damages they did to our game development process.
rSpooky said:Wel there is this : http://darkgrimoire.com/
But!!
for GAF we have permision
and the bioshock etc. stuff is all fair use act.
I am not worried, and if not someone messing with us I would love to return the favor to them and put in a counter suit for incomprable damages they did to our game development process.
Yeah I don't see the problem either. Grimoire is a normal word and it's not like that is the only part o the name. :lol
I just took a look into the forums of this company which is of course empty. There are only some rules ignoring all the typos ad stuff I think we are dealing with some real pros here...
:lol :lol :lol
Alright I made a few changes, but it's still far from done. Although I'm liking how it sounds a lot better now. I cranked up the guitar, made some other minor adjustments and added a part near the end. Opinions?
http://www.box.net/shared/6h5mmz6q3m
http://www.box.net/shared/6h5mmz6q3m
Apparently this claim comes from Grimoire Roleplaying Systems, some indie developer (I think? they have no online presence) whose website was supposedly a page on a domain that's now expired. I can't find anything about them anywhere.
The fact it's just an edit to a wiki (something anyone can do), with no contact information whatsoever, doesn't look exactly like anything serious... but honestly you never know.
The fact it's just an edit to a wiki (something anyone can do), with no contact information whatsoever, doesn't look exactly like anything serious... but honestly you never know.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
woww :lol
Of course we're not infringing anything.
1. The names are very different, the only thing in common is a common word that's just a part of both names Should we sue EA because it's using vowels that are in Grimoire Assembly Forge then?
2. The trademark was apparently filed in Australia (but I can't find it anywhere), we're technically US based (hence the press releases from Cleveland) and the official website is hosted in Italy. No relationship with Australia whatsoever.
3. This company has no online presence. No one could possibly have ever heard of them, so the alleged infringement can't be intentional.
1. The names are very different, the only thing in common is a common word that's just a part of both names Should we sue EA because it's using vowels that are in Grimoire Assembly Forge then?
2. The trademark was apparently filed in Australia (but I can't find it anywhere), we're technically US based (hence the press releases from Cleveland) and the official website is hosted in Italy. No relationship with Australia whatsoever.
3. This company has no online presence. No one could possibly have ever heard of them, so the alleged infringement can't be intentional.
bistromathics
facing a bright new dawn
who all is heading up QA again? I've set up a proper 'bugzilla' bug tracker on some remote server space I have. It could be more convenient than using a google doc spreadsheet...it's got a lot of fields and junk we don't need, but the tracking and commenting and logging and attaching and assigning and resolving by user would come in handy
login required is turned off atm so you can check it out without making an account (click 'browse' in the page header). and i can hand over admin account to you guys easily...i've never run one of these before so I don't really know what i'm doin here, just thought I'd give it a shot, lol
http://standard-error.com/bugzilla-3.6.1
login required is turned off atm so you can check it out without making an account (click 'browse' in the page header). and i can hand over admin account to you guys easily...i've never run one of these before so I don't really know what i'm doin here, just thought I'd give it a shot, lol
http://standard-error.com/bugzilla-3.6.1
cooljeanius
Member
This infringement thing reminds me of a few things:
1. What happened to the IP lawyers we had for our team?
2. The wiki needs updating. Maybe I'll do it once this round of QA ends...
1. What happened to the IP lawyers we had for our team?
2. The wiki needs updating. Maybe I'll do it once this round of QA ends...
cooljeanius
Member
Normally Wikis have history for easy reversion to previous versions.whitehawk said:
Chill the fuck out people holy shit
Look, this guy started e-mailing us at the press account a couple weeks ago. Schuelma and I have been discussing the situation. We've determined he doesn't have a valid claim on us for a variety of reasons.
This is the e-mail I just sent to him:
So be cool, guys, I have the situation under control. I've known about it, I've looked into it, I researched it and I've responded to it. Dudebro development continues!
<3 kthxbai
Yeah I just fixed it a few minutes ago.
Look, this guy started e-mailing us at the press account a couple weeks ago. Schuelma and I have been discussing the situation. We've determined he doesn't have a valid claim on us for a variety of reasons.
This is the e-mail I just sent to him:
me said:
So be cool, guys, I have the situation under control. I've known about it, I've looked into it, I researched it and I've responded to it. Dudebro development continues!
<3 kthxbai
whitehawk said:
Yeah I just fixed it a few minutes ago.
Jocchan said:
That's not the vandalization I meant. I meant Cleve deleting the entire front page of the wikia and posting that copyright violation message in large font.
I restored the version with your "outdated" message, plus my own addition pointing people to the website.
Yes, people should relax. If anyone is interested, read this overview..should put any concerns at ease.
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3. Contact your team lead to get assignments
4. Make sure you keep following the waves, this thread, and read the GDD
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Dudebro official website: http://www.grimoireassemblyforge.com/dudebro/
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Yeah, there is only a single trademark in the entire Australian Trademark database with the word GRIMOIRE, which is for the subtitle of Final Fantasy Tactics A2.Jocchan said:
They are lying, or forgot to actually trademark their name.
But I did find something the company made, they are credited with midi on this site, saying they created it in 1996:
http://www.faqs.org/copyright/the-aml-collection-selected-ellsworth-hall-solo/
Yeah, you are being langdell'd
Found this here, so they seem like the exsisted at one time at least:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/monique-macnaughton/22/131/A35
Here is there great site from 2001:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010307073036/http://electricgames.com/gc/g/gc-grimoire.html
Oh, and here are people in 1997 complaining about them:
http://groups.google.com/group/comp...?lnk=st&q=cleveland+m+blakemore&rnum=6&pli=1#
And while I may of ended up jumping rails to a diffrent company by mistake down the line, if its the same guy, I don't think the people who write for this site care for the man. But since the oldest news, from 2004, has "Cleve left LA for Australia in 1991", I am thinking its this man.
http://rpgcodex.net/newsarchive.php?GameID=288
And this is the newest info for this game
Edit: Oh wait, its that RPGCodex mentioned above. God damn, we are getting legal threats from a guy who has been trying to make an PC RPG for 19 years. Someone should let him know his trademark expired :lol
He does have a new site though: http://grimoiresystems.com/
I love how I found people on usernet complaning about this guy in 1997 :lolSill4 said:
For some reason, I just picture the guy as an Evil version of Victor Ireland.
But it looks like I am far to late for this, since Dan already got this under control.
I find it hard to think it took this guy more then 15 years to make this. We could do it half the time!:
And he paid people over a decade ago to make the sprites.
I was talking about the Dudebro wiki on Wikia: it had a lot of incorrect and outdated information, and updating it would have been pointless because we have the website to host that very information.Sill4 said:
The website is also updated twice a week, so updating the wiki entirely and immediately would have made website updates themselves pointless.
Oh I forgot about that. Yea it really is just extra baggage at this point.Jocchan said:
I didn't get shit done today due to hype and gushing over all of the new Reach info.
Did this yesterday, quick and sloppy, just like the afternoon I was conceived. It's a totally original idea and has never ever been done before in the entire history of media/sarcasm-
Back of shirt finishes the quote.
Drkirby: Yeah, I did some research into him, found his website, etc., but I didn't dig back quite as far as you. :lol So thanks for that, it's interesting to read.
Through the press e-mail address, I asked him to prove he is who he says he is and that he has a trademark on Grimoire as it relates to video games. He sent me scans of two documents ... one was an Australian business registration for Grimoire Systems that expired in 1998. He gave no evidence that he renewed the registration, and it was simply a business name registration, not an actual trademark filing. The other scan was a piece of paperwork with his name showing that he is the owner of a corporation called GRIMOIRE SYSTEMS PTY. LTD.
(Also in the e-mail, I asked him to give me the name and contact information for his attorney, which he completely ignored.)
Sill4: Nice design, that's pretty cool! If you give me the image for the back of the shirt (with just the text completing the quote) and make both of them have a transparent background, I can put them on a black T-shirt in the shop.
Through the press e-mail address, I asked him to prove he is who he says he is and that he has a trademark on Grimoire as it relates to video games. He sent me scans of two documents ... one was an Australian business registration for Grimoire Systems that expired in 1998. He gave no evidence that he renewed the registration, and it was simply a business name registration, not an actual trademark filing. The other scan was a piece of paperwork with his name showing that he is the owner of a corporation called GRIMOIRE SYSTEMS PTY. LTD.
BTW, he was born in Virginia and turned 47 about two weeks ago. Fun facts.
(Also in the e-mail, I asked him to give me the name and contact information for his attorney, which he completely ignored.)
Sill4: Nice design, that's pretty cool! If you give me the image for the back of the shirt (with just the text completing the quote) and make both of them have a transparent background, I can put them on a black T-shirt in the shop.
Well, I originally had a long twisting beard that was serpintine and intertwined with the crossed rifles. It was pretty cool, but it was a little too different from the established B.R.O. logo seen On Dawgless's hat. So I opted to keep it simple. But now I'm not so sure...it did look pretty cool...Danthrax said:
You know, I would love to see this somehow cause some sort of chain reaction getting Dudebro to be more well known. Have him make a PR announcement saying the game is being delayed because he has to change the name of his game/is suing up, those people on RPGCodex picking it up since they seem to enjoy digging into this guy, and have it progress from there.Danthrax said:
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Yep. Pretty much they (he) can't do jackshit.Sill4 said:
I know someone who posts there, so I mentioned this to himDrkirby said:
[04:37] <vulva> apparently
[04:37] <vulva> someone from rpgcodex
[04:37] <vulva> is threatening legal action against dudebro
[04:40] <&mik> hahaha
[04:40] <&mik> which one?
[04:40] <&mik> link me
[04:40] <vulva> http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22516467&postcount=5355
[04:45] <&mik> hahah
[04:45] <&mik> CLEVE
[04:46] <&mik> dude
[04:46] <&mik> fucking CLEVE
[04:46] <&mik> cleve is fucking crazy
[04:46] <&mik> hes' building a bunker in australia for when ITZ happens
[04:46] <&mik> dude thinks his asperbergers gave him an IQ of 300 and that he's 5x stronger than any other human can be cuz of some bone density bullshit
[04:46] <&mik> dude's an awesome troll
[04:46] <&mik> and a veritable encyclopedia of quotable shit
[04:47] <vulva> can I quote you on this and post it in the gaf thread? haha
[04:47] <&mik> yes
[04:47] <&mik> absoluteley
donkey show
Member
Yeah, just ordered a Dudebro 8-bit tee and Broler Bear Trucker hat. It should go well during testing sessions. :lol :lol :lol
You guys should add him as a secret boss. Cleve the Crazy. :lol
You guys should add him as a secret boss. Cleve the Crazy. :lol
[04:48] <&mik> i'll dig up some quotes from him if you want
[04:48] <&mik> he refers to 'america' as 'amerikwa' and refers to the people as 'kwanzanians' talking about how multi-culturism is leading to a downward spiral of rape and sodomy for all western society at the hands of blacks/etc.
[04:48] <&mik> lemme dig a few up
[04:48] <&mik> its awesome shit
[04:51] <vulva> haha kk
[04:55] <&mik> cleve on fox news: http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=885838#885838
[04:56] <&mik> hrmm the last sticky in retardoland is light on his theories
[04:56] <&mik> he's bene spouting the same shit for years now
[04:56] <&mik> so people just kind of alreayd understand his retarded short-hand
[04:56] <&mik> there should be an originator topic in here tho
[04:58] <&mik> ah here's a goo done
[04:58] <&mik> about when he was open abou tusing profits from grimoir to support storm-front
[04:58] <&mik> http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=129266#129266
[04:59] <vulva> jesus
[04:48] <&mik> he refers to 'america' as 'amerikwa' and refers to the people as 'kwanzanians' talking about how multi-culturism is leading to a downward spiral of rape and sodomy for all western society at the hands of blacks/etc.
[04:48] <&mik> lemme dig a few up
[04:48] <&mik> its awesome shit
[04:51] <vulva> haha kk
[04:55] <&mik> cleve on fox news: http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=885838#885838
[04:56] <&mik> hrmm the last sticky in retardoland is light on his theories
[04:56] <&mik> he's bene spouting the same shit for years now
[04:56] <&mik> so people just kind of alreayd understand his retarded short-hand
[04:56] <&mik> there should be an originator topic in here tho
[04:58] <&mik> ah here's a goo done
[04:58] <&mik> about when he was open abou tusing profits from grimoir to support storm-front
[04:58] <&mik> http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=129266#129266
[04:59] <vulva> jesus
donkey show
Member
Goddam. Just read the links. You guys really need to make Cleve the Crazy a secret boss now. :lol :lol :lolHappy Phantom said:
[05:12] <&mik> on how he got aspberger's http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=840873#840873
[05:13] <&mik> on his titanium bones: http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=560920#560920
also
[05:26] <vulva> jesus christ
[05:27] <vulva> after reading up on his super strength and super aspbergers, someone joked about him being a final boss in dudebro
[05:27] <vulva> starting to think that'd be a good idea
[05:28] <&mik> heh
[05:28] <&mik> a guy on the codex made a comic
[05:29] <&mik> in which he was the main enemy/boss
[05:29] <&mik> done entirely in screen shots using gary's mod for HL2
[05:29] <&mik> you saw some of 'em, I believe
[05:29] <&mik> Cleve has always been joked about as being the last boss of the Codex when ti becomes its own RPG
[05:29] <&mik> which it did, last april fool's
[05:32] <&mik> but you should definitley link his blog, at least
[05:32] <&mik> http://vault-co.blogspot.com/
[05:13] <&mik> on his titanium bones: http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=560920#560920
also
[05:26] <vulva> jesus christ
[05:27] <vulva> after reading up on his super strength and super aspbergers, someone joked about him being a final boss in dudebro
[05:27] <vulva> starting to think that'd be a good idea
[05:28] <&mik> heh
[05:28] <&mik> a guy on the codex made a comic
[05:29] <&mik> in which he was the main enemy/boss
[05:29] <&mik> done entirely in screen shots using gary's mod for HL2
[05:29] <&mik> you saw some of 'em, I believe
[05:29] <&mik> Cleve has always been joked about as being the last boss of the Codex when ti becomes its own RPG
[05:29] <&mik> which it did, last april fool's
[05:32] <&mik> but you should definitley link his blog, at least
[05:32] <&mik> http://vault-co.blogspot.com/
donkey show
Member
Fucking hell, all these links are pure gold for his backstory in the game. His "Unbreakable" story about his super human bones was hilarious! :lol
perfectchaos007
Member
So a counter sue would be an insta win almost? :lol
It's so crazy how as soon as you start to do something in an industry, independant or not, someone tries to sue you lol. Then if you become successful, you just get sued more! No one wants to make an honest living these days.
It's so crazy how as soon as you start to do something in an industry, independant or not, someone tries to sue you lol. Then if you become successful, you just get sued more! No one wants to make an honest living these days.
Those links contained an enormous amount of stupid.
I seriously had to stop reading because of the stupid. It was making my brain hurt.
This...person needs to be forgotten, not given the attention it craves. And damn sure not put in any type of media, let alone our game.
This message brought to you by a very tired Sill4.
I seriously had to stop reading because of the stupid. It was making my brain hurt.
This...person needs to be forgotten, not given the attention it craves. And damn sure not put in any type of media, let alone our game.
This message brought to you by a very tired Sill4.
oh look what we got in the inbox about 8 hours ago:
the cafepress isn't linked to an account, so technically, only cafepress is profiting. but y'know, whatever
also, he apparently doesn't read because i didn't say whomever shows up first in web searches is the "copyright holder." (once again, we are talking about trademarks, not copyrights. what a bright bulb.) rather, i said whomever shows up first in web searches is who has more mindshare, and whomever has lesser mindshare would damage the other. no one knows who he is; lots of people know who we are. his shit would potentially confuse the marketplace that's looking for our game. no one is looking for his game, clearly, so our shit wouldn't confuse the marketplace.
lastly, he keeps talking about his relatives who are lawyers, but hasn't given me a name or contact information, like i requested two weeks ago. but whatevs, i'm sure they'll pop out of the woodwork to sue all 150 of us
P.S. I BETTER START POPPIN PILLS CUZ I'MMA NEED MAH MEDICATION HURR HURR
P.P.S. I totally told this guy to stop harassing us through this e-mail address. Am I going to have to warn him that if he does it one more time I'm going to notify the Australian authorities? Thing is, I'd do it. I don't want to put up with this shit.
new e-mail said:
the cafepress isn't linked to an account, so technically, only cafepress is profiting. but y'know, whatever
also, he apparently doesn't read because i didn't say whomever shows up first in web searches is the "copyright holder." (once again, we are talking about trademarks, not copyrights. what a bright bulb.) rather, i said whomever shows up first in web searches is who has more mindshare, and whomever has lesser mindshare would damage the other. no one knows who he is; lots of people know who we are. his shit would potentially confuse the marketplace that's looking for our game. no one is looking for his game, clearly, so our shit wouldn't confuse the marketplace.
lastly, he keeps talking about his relatives who are lawyers, but hasn't given me a name or contact information, like i requested two weeks ago. but whatevs, i'm sure they'll pop out of the woodwork to sue all 150 of us
P.S. I BETTER START POPPIN PILLS CUZ I'MMA NEED MAH MEDICATION HURR HURR
P.P.S. I totally told this guy to stop harassing us through this e-mail address. Am I going to have to warn him that if he does it one more time I'm going to notify the Australian authorities? Thing is, I'd do it. I don't want to put up with this shit.