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Anthony Mackie on MCU Crossover with Marvel TV: "It Wouldn't Work"
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#sorrynotsorry
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"It wouldn't work" is clearly not a compelling reason. It absolutely could work.
Pai Pai Master
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That's probably got more to do with cost-savings (Perlmutter). It would be nice but isn't necessary for a few skyline shots every season.
Also I'm not sure why we're treating Anthony Mackie like he knows what he's talking about. He likely has the same opinions as us and won't ever know the full story.
I was about to say the same.
No, that's just literally them being too lazy/inattentive to pay attention to where Avengers Tower is located and CGI it into the appropriate scenes. It appears in some official promo art.
It's background for the tv. They sell bootlegs of the new york fight in Luke Cage I believe.
Pai Pai Master
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Not in the actual show though.
They are clearly in the same universe though. That's the only reason they put it in promotional material.
It comes down to Feuding princedoms within the massive Kingdom. There is no reason whatsoever that makes crossovers impossible other than getting the top dogs to get along. I mean obviously for a TV show getting big names to show up is a cost issue but for the movies there is absolutely no reason to lock out half the MCU.
Ever seen Daredevil? They can't stop mentioning The Avengers battle from The Avengers.
CalamityPixel
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Guess that means AoS is....
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And just like a typical comic book promo, Jessica Jones is the one variant among the 4 who had similar shots with her ass facing the camera.
Griffins22
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I'm kind of OK with them not crossing over. It's not like in a Luke Cage comic, the plot is somehow connected to or contains an Avengers cameo. Sometimes it's OK for things to act independently. Besides, people (rightfully) point out that the MCU and connected universes in general can sometimes hurt individual movies and shows because everything is just a bridge to another movie and nothing stands out on its own. I'd rather the movies and shows not get overstuffed and become filled with fanservice.
I do get the complaints and desire to see things crossover and have Netflix characters mentioned in the movies, but I think Marvel's doing a good job.
I do get the complaints and desire to see things crossover and have Netflix characters mentioned in the movies, but I think Marvel's doing a good job.
Darth Pinche
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That Faramir photoshop is horrible.
Chie Satonaka
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Wait.
People really thought the Netflix shows take place in a different universe? Every single one of them have mentioned either the battle of New York directly, or one of the Avengers either directly or indirectly.
I haven't watched Iron Fist yet, but I'm sure it's not breaking that trend.
People really thought the Netflix shows take place in a different universe? Every single one of them have mentioned either the battle of New York directly, or one of the Avengers either directly or indirectly.
I haven't watched Iron Fist yet, but I'm sure it's not breaking that trend.
broncobuster
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To be honest, I'd be for them making them separate to use other characters on the TV side. Say, Hawkeye or Black Widow on Netflix with different actors.
Discotheque
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For sure. Who gives a shit about this interconnectivity
Nows the time to give us a Hawkeye tv show. With absolutely none of the prior marvel netflix talent except for episode directors.
If the movies don't really care to acknowledge the shows why should they hold out on the Hawkeye property that would kill.
Reptars Revenge
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The Green Guy, The Flag Waver, The Incident. Ughhh
Joy Meachum mentions it in Iron Fist in passing
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
If you can make the Sony deal, you can make a deal with yo damn selves.
I mean just Matt Murdock up as a lawyer for a split second would be enough for most people. Not asking for a whole fucking half hour segment with costumes.
I mean just Matt Murdock up as a lawyer for a split second would be enough for most people. Not asking for a whole fucking half hour segment with costumes.
IdreamofHIME
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But Samuel L Jackson, Jaimie Alexander and Colbie Smulders have all been in Agents of Shield?
They always drop references to the MCU, and especially Avengers 1 which is referenced to as the "incident".
There was also a character in Jessica Jones who was deeply affected by the events of Avengers 1 and blamed JJ because she has powers.
The TV shows might as well not exists as far as the movies are concerned, though. I don't believe they have ever been referenced to in the films.
IsntChrisL
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I don't give a shit either way but it's pretty stupid of Marvel to put the shows in the same universe for seemingly no reason at all. The shows seem to have some dumb rule that requires all movie references to be vague.
I can see why the movies don't reference the shows though. That's asking too much of the general movie-goer. Disney knows that a large portion of ticket sales come from people that have never watched an episode of any Marvel TV show. It's almost like they won't crossover simply to keep the A-list heroes away from the rest. Maybe they'll change their tune and create a Daredevil movie or something once the Avengers cast becomes too expensive/drop out.
I can see why the movies don't reference the shows though. That's asking too much of the general movie-goer. Disney knows that a large portion of ticket sales come from people that have never watched an episode of any Marvel TV show. It's almost like they won't crossover simply to keep the A-list heroes away from the rest. Maybe they'll change their tune and create a Daredevil movie or something once the Avengers cast becomes too expensive/drop out.
Chie Satonaka
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Right. Nobody's looking for full on crossovers. But if some crazy stuff is happening in New York during either part of the new Avengers movies, it would kind of make sense to have The Defenders in there messing up a few mooks as a nod to the continuity, wouldn't it?
Also, my memory is fuzzy as hell, but
wasn't Sif already in Agents of Shield?
This just seems like a silly thing to say.
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See? I need to rewatch Agents of Shield, but yeah. This has already happened!
the only reason there "can't" be any crossover is because they won't do it
they're entirely meant to be the same universe, which is why you got Sam Jackson and Cobie Smulders showing up on Agents of SHIELD.
Also, it's a real shame that Star Wars is better at this than Marvel is.
they're entirely meant to be the same universe, which is why you got Sam Jackson and Cobie Smulders showing up on Agents of SHIELD.
Also, it's a real shame that Star Wars is better at this than Marvel is.
PanSexual_Peacock
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The Movie and TV universes might as well be officially separate. The shows barely acknowledge anything from the movies.
I don't think this has to be a complicated thing at all. The movies can reference the TV shows the same exact way the TV shows reference the movies.
Civil War, for example, seemed like a missed opportunity. Stark pulls up footage of Spider-Man as he's been tracking people with impressive skills. He could have easily said, "it was either the guy who could climb on walls or that bulletproof guy from Harlem"
Civil War, for example, seemed like a missed opportunity. Stark pulls up footage of Spider-Man as he's been tracking people with impressive skills. He could have easily said, "it was either the guy who could climb on walls or that bulletproof guy from Harlem"
It only goes one way. You won't see Quake appearing in the movies...
It sure is.
Pretty much. Cameos are stupidly easy to do, have Shield characters in the background or whatever. But the people in charge of the MCU, netflixverse and abcverse don't talk to each other.
The Elite
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Yeah, I think they are over complicating things. Shows and movies obviously co-exist and we have seen impact from movies in the shows. The other way around wouldn't work because their events are generally smaller in scale, which makes sense for TV. I would say that Inhumans not being mentioned is a little jarring though.
There should be more of a connection between SHIELD and Thr Netflix shows. Even if it's just some random Agents showing up on Netflix shows.
There should be more of a connection between SHIELD and Thr Netflix shows. Even if it's just some random Agents showing up on Netflix shows.
fallengorn
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The accumulated filth of all their films and television series will foam up about their waists and all the fanboys and critics will look up and shout "It's all connected!"
...and I'll look down and whisper "No."
...and I'll look down and whisper "No."
Hahaha! You're not wrong.
That said, I wouldn't want them to do it this way. You run the risk of screwing up timelines.
Matt Murdock as a lawyer or hell, even Jeri or one of the more secondary characters. Have it be Claire!
Again, nothing complicated.
No mention of Inhumans in the movies, especially when it's in the media and all over the place is weird. Iron Fist spoiler-ish
It's my main problem with the early episodes of Iron Fist where you literally have aliens invading, but people have a hard time believing he was in a different dimension
They mention the events of The Avengers several times in the Netflix shows (mainly Thor and Hulk, but not by name, and the invasion goes by the name of "the incident") and Coulson, Sif, and Nick Fury have all shown up in Agents of Shield.
The connections are there, just not very direct most of the time.
Exploratory
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Business politics.
The TV and film divisions simply cannot work together.
The TV and film divisions simply cannot work together.
Just_myles
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So is he implying that it is easier to license a spiderman film than it is to license daredevil(a marvel property)in a MCU film? Comic book movies, man.
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