Officerrob
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As opposed to Republicans like S.E. Cupp who felt Ann Romney should be a role model for young girls because she married a rich guy to "take care of" her
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As opposed to Republicans like S.E. Cupp who felt Ann Romney should be a role model for young girls because she married a rich guy to "take care of" her
Is Julia a single mother?
cartoon_soldier
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Obama could only get 14000 people for the Ohio rally. Venue holds 18000 people
Obama is doomed
Obama is doomed
or so says Politico
lol, I was about to post this:
Obama Launches Campaign in Empty Arena
Edit: lol, it's the top thing on Drudge, too.
PhoenixDark
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Lackluster numbers if true. Seems like the thrill is gone
DeathbyVolcano
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I also think OSU kids are in the middle of exam time, or at least leading up to it. Could explain why. Or, of course, the fact that it's the first official rally of a long campaign.
Couple of things. 1. The bolded is an incredible amount of hyperbole to attach to a complete non story, even if and perhaps especially if it were true. 2. The photo on that page is of a very full stadium, because mysteriously they don't have a photo of the allegedly empty stadium.
cartoon_soldier
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VA rally was at capacity.
And...well, let's not compare it to Romney's. Wouldn't be fair.
Hobbestetrician
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Certainly looks like the event was still a ways from starting in that photo. Love the headline too, claiming that the arena was "Half-Empty" but then stating it was 70% but then saying there were 14,000 out of a capacity of 18,000, which happens to be 78%.
Edit: Went back to check the headline and it didn't say Half-Empty anymore. Did it change or am I going crazy?
Rocket Scientist
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Wow that picture makes it look pretty empty... Wouldn't have guessed from the video. And how do they mean capacity is 18000, that's seating? Doesn't that mean that there's a capacity of a few thousand more standing people?
DeathbyVolcano
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PhoenixDark
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On a serious note, I wonder if the right's incessitent spinning on Obama's popularity is just setting the table for massive fraud accusations if he manages to win. Fox News and far right websites have created a bubble in which viewers seem to genuinely think Obama has no chance at winning.
I want to see how far onto the fraud bandwagon elected republicans will jump after the first week of November
I want to see how far onto the fraud bandwagon elected republicans will jump after the first week of November
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
LOL. It is pretty insane that people can't see the obvious in front of their face.
So Obama DOESN'T want to do that? Weirdest socialist ever.
Rocket Scientist
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This is better than sex. Brb.
Oh wow, yeah it's not 2008 anymore =/
PhoenixDark
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Does that address the millions who have stopped looking for work because there are no jobs? The millions of young people who graduated and now can't find a job, even in good professions?
It seems like the administration wants to make abstract cases for their economic record because they can't talk about the actual consequences of the last 4 years. The average person doesn't know what the GDP is, but they know their husband has been on unemployment benefits for months, and that their neighbor can't find work to. If Romney runs a halfway decent campaign he'll be able to reach those people
DeathbyVolcano
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Anecdotal shit like this never works.
empty vessel
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I think all of the information is interesting. It's just that some of it, for me, counts as arguments against Obama (assuming we are assigning responsibility for all of this data to him). For example, nobody cares (or should care) if corporate profits are up. That might only mean that workers' wages are down (and they are). That's not a good thing. Likewise, that "discretionary spending is now on a path to its lowest level since the Eisenhower Administration" is something to be lamented, not celebrated. That is something political conservatives should be proud of, not progressives. It also seems to be presenting shrinking public employment as a positive, which, of course, it is not. That means fewer people have jobs than otherwise would. Likewise, touting the president's budget as having cut the deficit and stabilized the debt may be politically advantageous, but only because it preys upon the country's economic ignorance. Cutting spending (and/or raising taxes) now may be exactly what throws the country back into recession. And debt is virtually economically irrelevant. These are conservative talking points, not progressive ones.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
So, how do you combine hatred of woman with hatred for immigrants GOP?
oh..
GOP's Violence Against Women Act Would Open Up Undocumented Victims To More Abuse
oh..
GOP's Violence Against Women Act Would Open Up Undocumented Victims To More Abuse
DeathbyVolcano
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I think it's just a matter of the administration covering all their bases. There are some right-leaning independents that might view this and like what they see in those particular areas, and lean Obama thusly.
Meh, if Bush had chosen to go for a third go around he would be , deservingly, riding his Bush recovery too, all the while being denied it by the mainstream media.
The reason for those things are twofold:
1) Obama isn't a progressive. As much as you and I would love that, he isn't. At best he's a center right politician, and that's why these things are the way they are. As much as people on the far right want to say he's a socialist, these things prove in no way, shape or form is that true.
2) I've seen for the last year or so at least he's had a very heavy effort to frame things in conservative ways first, and then expound on them. I noticed it first in his last State of the Union Address. That might be because of point 1, obviously, but I think it also has other reasons. I think he's doing this because it makes the far right even crazier. They look even worse to independents, because of this. It forces Romney to either not confront the issue or to go even further right and alienate more people. The "Obama is bad for business" sorts of stuff start to look silly if Obama can tout that corporate profits are up. Public employment and discretionary spending at a low level should also definitely be touted by him if they are indeed true, because, again, it makes the conservative argument that he's growing the government look downright crazy.
PhoenixDark
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I would love to see how liberal blogs would be discussing the economy if this was President McCain. I can just imagine Kos questioning Ezra Klein's credibility for pointing out signs of recovery
cartoon_soldier
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It wouldn't have mattered as we would be in a 3rd war with Iran right now.
Really, guys? You wanna play the attendee game? Sure, there was still a good chunk of seats left, but Romney would have killed for those numbers compared to what he got in Wisconsin.
"You guys laughed at Romney for having a few dozen attendees when Obama only managed to get in the range of 10 thousand! Who's incompetent NOW, HUH?!??"
PhoenixDark
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It reeks of Rove's "turn their strengths into weaknesses" mixed with false equivalencies. If Romney got 5k in the same venue they would argue both events were equally successful/not successful because both didn't sell out
Yup. The only thing I'll give em is the fact that I agree Obama should have been able to have the whole stadium packed and more. The Chairman's ability to gather crowds SHOULD be second to none.
DeathbyVolcano
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Yes, at least that's what the administration is saying.
cartoon_soldier
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Because of the way the US Media works...incumbent Presidents have to avoid attacking their opponents in non-campaign events. So, this is the 1st campaign event for Obama.
Aaron Strife
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Indiana senate: An interesting contrast to have between Joe Donnelly (D) and Richard Mourdock (R).
Hoosiers support the auto bailout 51-44, while Mourdock was the only public official in the country to challenge it in court. Donnelly's already started getting on him about it, so this could provide a pretty crucial issue in the campaign.
Winning Indiana will still be tough for any Democrat, but it's nice that Donnelly seems to be hitting the right notes. The auto bailout isn't as unpopular as previously thought and the results were better than expected. I think Donnelly's appeal will make him viable to the populist, middle-class "sensible" conservatism that exists in Indiana and the Midwest in general, and that flipped the state in 08 for Obama.
Also is pd really trying to say Obama can't get anyone to turn out to his rallies? lol christ What a desperate man.
Hoosiers support the auto bailout 51-44, while Mourdock was the only public official in the country to challenge it in court. Donnelly's already started getting on him about it, so this could provide a pretty crucial issue in the campaign.
Winning Indiana will still be tough for any Democrat, but it's nice that Donnelly seems to be hitting the right notes. The auto bailout isn't as unpopular as previously thought and the results were better than expected. I think Donnelly's appeal will make him viable to the populist, middle-class "sensible" conservatism that exists in Indiana and the Midwest in general, and that flipped the state in 08 for Obama.
Also is pd really trying to say Obama can't get anyone to turn out to his rallies? lol christ What a desperate man.
Huh? I don't believe he is. He's saying that the attack on Obama for the turnout reeks of Rove style turn their strengths into weaknesses mixed with false equivalencies.
eBay Huckster
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except we're in the middle of an exam period right now, and an absolute ton of people who I canvassed throughout last week also had to work during this rally
yeah, it wasn't packed because the Schott is a really shitty venue for this sort of event
all of the lower seating and a good portion of the upper seating was still completely full
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
You would think so listening to some people, lol.
Aaron Strife
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This quote specifically
If that were a troll post I couldn't tell the differencePhoenixDark said:
Ah that one. It might not necessarily be a troll post. I mean if it is true the campaign was expecting or wanting overflow and didn't get that, then it is a little lackluster. And if it doesn't compare to 2008 then, again, a bit lackluster. I think equating that to saying he can't get anyone to come out is kind of silly.
I really think you guys give PD a bit of a hard time. I mean he does have some funny troll posts, but I don't see what's wrong with some of the things he's posting.
speculawyer
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It is also May. Not a lot of draw to go to a campaign event for the default Dem nominee in May. It is not like there is a vote coming up soon. Mitt got smaller crowds while in the midst of a contentious primary battle.
Arizona:
The very concept of a for-profit prison scares the hell out of me, much less one with oversight getting gutted.
http://www.kpho.com/story/18143695/state-lawmakers-look-to-ease-oversight-on-private-prisons
The very concept of a for-profit prison scares the hell out of me, much less one with oversight getting gutted.
cartoon_soldier
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The obsession among
Well here's where we start to find out if this meager recovery has any steam. Even states with 10%+ unemployment are being notified by the Labor Department that Fed-ED extended benefits are getting ended. http://www.edd.ca.gov/unemployment/Federal_Unemployment_Insurance_Extensions.htm
In California these notices went out thus week that notifies anyone who qualified for the final tier FedED UI extension (weeks 79-99) are ending as of May 12. Even if you have benefits left they are being terminated so someone who just started week 79 and was expecting to have up to 20 more weeks of UI is ending now. That is a maximum of 9,000$ in benefits over 5 months.
The state estimates that this will effect over 90,000 unemployed Californians (though no data was given on the average number of expected weeks are getting terminated for these individuals)
This could get ugly.
In California these notices went out thus week that notifies anyone who qualified for the final tier FedED UI extension (weeks 79-99) are ending as of May 12. Even if you have benefits left they are being terminated so someone who just started week 79 and was expecting to have up to 20 more weeks of UI is ending now. That is a maximum of 9,000$ in benefits over 5 months.
The state estimates that this will effect over 90,000 unemployed Californians (though no data was given on the average number of expected weeks are getting terminated for these individuals)
This could get ugly.
I think with the current sway that money and corporations have upon our government the swing to private prisons is in a whole realm beyond frightening. The fact that what would or could be in their best interest, and the things that they would likely push through our government could literally be at odds with society as a whole is nothing short of horrifying.
You thought the "tough on crime/ weak on crime" shtick of the 80s and 90s was bad. Wait until you have prison industrial complex superPACs blanketing the airwaives with FUD about criminals and hard sentencing tactics like mandatory minimums and "three strikes" style laws.
It will be in their interest to increase incarcirations, length and severity of sentences all at taxpayer expense.
Jaywalking in a school zone? GO TO PRISON
speculawyer
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Of course it can happen with public prisons as well. The California Correctional Officer Union is a bit too powerful and can also cause bad policy.
TacticalFox88
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Who's bright idea was it to HAVE private prisons in the first place?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
People who think the Government can't do anything right.
Private for profit companies can obviously do a better job...
The legal system is what jails people. The Legal system is maintained by the government, and so the government should maintain the jails. It's not that complicated.
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