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Xbox One release EU delay explained - there are no manufacturing problems, insists MS
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Wickerbasket
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We'll see when the launch numbers come out anyway.
1. There would be something to be gained from a PR perspective if the delay was caused by a language issue rather than a lowered shipping forecast or a strategic move. Coming into this thread and trying to dispel the notion that Microsoft is valuing certain tiered customers. Changing this perception is something that is of value to your company and to you as an agent of that company.
2. I don't believe there is a way that your statements can be proved unless the launch occurred and the units were distributed as originally announced at the E3.
There are a finite number of units that can be produced within a period of time. It's much easier to have product on the shelves when delivering product to 13 countries than it is for 21. Those units would otherwise have been distributed to 8 other countries. I don't understand how the story you have would be revealed as a TRUTHFACT when launch comes. That's without considering demand for the Xbox One in each specific region.
barkers crest
Member
So how about a release date then?
Right now Amazon says I will not get my Xbox one preorder delivered till Jan 2014.
Based on reported 2:1 preorder ratio between PS4, which I ordered weeks after xboxone but is scheduled to arrive on the 15th, and xboxone, I get the impression that xbox launch will have much less inventory than ps4 launch.
Less Inventory == hardware issues/yield rumor confirmation
That is the message most of us are getting, anyways.
Is he being serious when he talks about accents? In the UK, you only need travel 25 miles up the road to hear widely different accents, broad Lancastrian, Yorkshire, Souse, Mancs, then onto Geordies, Cockney's, Brummies etc.
Edit - of course that could just mean Kinect cannot understand the strong British regional accents, whereas a living, breathing human can often tell the difference from town to town, nevermind whole regions.
BloodMoney
Banned
How can there be a delay without an announced release date.....................................
Iacobellis
Junior Member
Yes. He was also very serious about the secret sauce.
metareferential
Member
Bullshit.
Some of the countries they left out use the same languages as tier 1 countries.
And most of those countries also use the same distribution channels as tier 1 countries (see Switzerland's case, where we have 4 official languages, 3 of which are represented on Kinect's voice controls and 360's dashboard. Games come from Italy/Germany/France).
And even the size of the left-out markets isn't a viable argument: Austria is in (which is as small as a market as any tier 2 euro countries).
They want to have the most units ready for bigger markets. Why?
Manufacturing issues.
#teamCBOAT
Some of the countries they left out use the same languages as tier 1 countries.
And most of those countries also use the same distribution channels as tier 1 countries (see Switzerland's case, where we have 4 official languages, 3 of which are represented on Kinect's voice controls and 360's dashboard. Games come from Italy/Germany/France).
And even the size of the left-out markets isn't a viable argument: Austria is in (which is as small as a market as any tier 2 euro countries).
They want to have the most units ready for bigger markets. Why?
Manufacturing issues.
#teamCBOAT
mangochutney
Member
With all due respect you haven't given any evidence at all, you've only given your word.
As a company representative this should generally be taken as fact until proven otherwise, but it isn't evidence!
Evidence would be documents showing your schedules with loads of nice numbers and graphs on how all the targets have been met. That is what would shut the nay-sayers up, but obviously you aren't going to be able to disclose such a thing.
Not necessarily. I mean they're claiming pre-orders are way above 360 levels, what if those levels were not anticipated? This isn't a yield issue but just a limitation of the production line output volumes. You can classify it as a manufacturing issue but it isn't really of the same ilk as poor yield.
Katana_Strikes
Member
Because those countries are incredibly important to MS... you guys! If you delayed those countries, you'd be in a bit of a situation compared to your competitor, who would have a potential 1-4 month lead with much cheaper hardware and had all the big games. Where cutting down your launch countries and therefore not spreading out your allocations anywhere near as much, means you can double down on your most important ones. Which means more consoles for those countries than they would have had without this delay, thanks to your yield issues
Evidence by saying that you're not delaying in 13 countries out of 21?
I'm sorry, but if you do have limited supplies (for whatever reason) then yes, you'll shift whatever you can from minor markets and don't leave a huge headstart up for Sony to grab. The fact that you're not delaying in these markets proves nothing at all.
And now GC HW was near final dev kits? I thought it was final, retail SKUs. And frankly, I really doubt the actual dev kits (not retail turned into some kind of dev kit as you've announced) have the exact same specs than retail SKUs.
The problem is, you might be absolutely legit. But you're a MS exec, and given the waves of "stealth" MS astrosurfers we've all of a sudden have on GAF, on top of the stream of BS and flat out lies some of your colleagues have been spreading in interviews and twitter posts since May, people will automatically suspect the credibility of your statements on these boards.
The plot thickens.
Ricerocket
Member
When they say they expected 7 million, but only got 6.2 million, it means 800k were duds and wasted money?
BloodMoney
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Can you confirm or deny this report, Albert?
3rdamention
Member
Lol, looks like he may have read my post in a previous thread, thus bringing up the beautiful land of Switzerland. I explained this in the other thread, but I will explain it here to just show how the whole "Localization" is absolute rubbish, at least for Switzerland, and Albert is the one that brought up Switzerland.
In Switzerland, there are 3 official languages recognized on the nation level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation, they are German, French and Italian.
The Xbox One is releasing this November in Germany, France, and Italy, but NOT in Switzerland. Yet Albert just recommends importing one instead, without taking into account any exchange rates/shipping charges that just drive up the already high price of the Xbox One. Why not release in Switzerland if you will have localization complete in Germany, France and Italy?
I feel its pretty obvious, the delay is for reallocation, not localization, at least for my example of Switzerland.
Sooooooooo, yeah, Switzerland, lol. Hey, he brought it up.
You really think MS will confirm that they have problems with their hardware, 2 months prior launch?
They already have the (translation/Kinect, etc.) excuse.
For some, no matter what you post they won't believe you.
Thanks for the heads up.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
This and no release date. Stop playing games, maybe on gamefaqs this BS would work but some of us have been through a ton of console launches.
CassidyIzABeast
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KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Thank you. I'm sorry Albert, but nothing you say without hard numbers is 'evidence'. It's just you saying what you're allowed to say without breaking NDA. And I don't understand how launch would prove otherwise, unless you completely outship the PS4, which is well ahead of schedule, going by FCC certs.
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BloodMoney
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Katana_Strikes
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Or they just can say that they are unprepared or better "slightly behind schedule". The best excuse every company can use to hide potential production/software problems or just that they made big mistakes with projected allocations and are now trying to douse the fire, caused by early preorder numbers.
I used Chrome Translation and it appears to be linking the 10% decrease in production to yield issues and lens yield issues. It even references the European delay.
mangochutney
Member
Albert said the Xbox One has passed the FCC already, and prior to the PS4.
Don't forget you can request confidentiality from the FCC and they won't publish until your requested date.
3rdamention
Member
Wow, dat jab at Sony, lol. BTW, what about FCC Certification? Assuming that hasn't been asked yet.
Has the Xbox One passed FCC Certification?
It's not rocket science is it?
Its obvious what MS is doing it's just seems that everyone loves a conspiracy theory. Funny thing is one of the AMD technical guys who posts over at B3D post months ago regarding the so called yield issues.
CassidyIzABeast
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No, Microsoft pushing back release date in Europe was good enough for most people. Had Microsoft never announced a specific number of countries we'd never know.
No.
SneakyStephan
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It must suck to lie for a living.
I wish Albert had given the FCC ID number for the xbox one the closest I can find is https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...mFrame=N&application_id=333860&fcc_id=C3K1537 and funny enough its confidentiality only lasts until November 21. Anyway that would prove the date.
Maybe you just uncovered X1 release date.
Cboat and evidences are not something that work together, you must believe his truthfacts.
SPOT ON?
RedAssedApe
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KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
Oh that is nice, but I was simply stating with (apparently) both consoles going through FCC early, that would mean production on both is sailing along. This would make it even stranger if XB1 got outsold by PS4 anywhere, if Albert is telling the truth. I don't expect Albert to be vindicated when those launch day numbers of both consoles hit, but I would be very happy to be proven wrong.
And also, now I'm very curious about this Chinese report. Aren't parts/system being manufactured in Foxconn? Wouldn't this be an excellent 3rd party source for the yield issues?
Could you do me/us a favor and ask them how exactly they arrive at the 204GB/s peak performance number for eSRAM?
We can totally understand the 109GB/s number (4*256bit*853MHz) but we don't really know how the peak number is calculated...
Valkyr Junkie
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KoopaTheCasual
Junior Member
The Chinese reports and FCC certs seriously deserve their own thread. Alas, my babby Junior status does not allow me to create threads. Can someone make one?
test_account
XP-39C²
They have said November, so it has a release "date". As long as Xbox One comes out in November, it wont be any delay.
So much hate and anger in this topic.
Kinect 1 was a mess in France and it has only improved a little bit, I can understand that voice recognition is a big no go if not done correctly in market where Xone will be shipped.
If kinect is the center of the MS strategy there is no use for a half assed experience.
Kinect 1 was a mess in France and it has only improved a little bit, I can understand that voice recognition is a big no go if not done correctly in market where Xone will be shipped.
If kinect is the center of the MS strategy there is no use for a half assed experience.
Ricerocket
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Was their source crazy buttocks on a train?
No the source is http://udn.com/NEWS/STOCK/STO3/8122035.shtml
I don't think china knows about cboat but they sure as hell do make the products there.