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South Park's out. Is the fish minigame handled well? Should it be in the game?
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You are allowed to tell bad jokes. Good jokes and bad jokes come from the same place of trying to be funny.
Of course you can criticize it, you can not like it and not buy the game. If you don't like a joke, you get up and leave the comedy club. What you don't do, is heckle or say it shouldn't be in the game.
Of course you can criticize it, you can not like it and not buy the game. If you don't like a joke, you get up and leave the comedy club. What you don't do, is heckle or say it shouldn't be in the game.
I am sure black people would tell white people how to be offended, and what constructive ways they can write to Matt and Trey instead of discussing it on Neogaf.
This feels like a half-way necromancy of the 'Gone Gold' trailer thread. There's a lot more controversial jokes in the game and there isn't really much more to be said than it being a side quest. Even if a side quest, though, the whole thing was effectively shown already to the crowd at large in the trailer.
The joke itself is fine, it's just that the depiction of Kanye's mom as a mammy stereotype, in a way that is not meant to satirize the way we handle racial/ethnic stereotyping in real life ala City Wok/the Coon, is of no value, comedic or otherwise. The only thing it can be is hurtful and thus is in uniquely bad taste far different from the satirical purposes in which other stereotypes exist within the series. Unintentional or otherwise, the depiction is racist and is presented free from satire in a way that is uncharacteristic for the series
Dunno you mean lyrics like these?
But it's okay in Rap. Not completely the same but I wouldn't be able to count how many women this guy offended and insulted. Does NOT excuse this in South Park .
Papo Swing
Member
I guess it is a good measuring stick for our society that people are being outraged over this and South Park in 2017.
I dont expect it to change despite my feelings on it. I would just hope that people eventually stop defending it because the fact that these points have been discussed for 10 years doesnt make them less valid.
There is nothing admirable or excuseable about some vague goal of trying to be funny.
Bad writing of jokes is just as criticism worthy as bad writing of anything else.
Charlie0108
Member
But there was massive controversy over these lyrics and they were pretty widely condemned?
I guess it is a good measuring stick of our society that people still write off any criticism or annoyance or frustration or disappointment over anything as outrage in 2017.
But Taylor gave him permission to say that stuff and said it was like a compliment
Or was it that she refused and warned him against having such strong misogynistic lyrics
I don't remember
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ok, you wanna elaborate on your point?
Jokes about 4 year old news using racist imagery should offend anyone with half a brain in 2017.
Also, its a Flappy Bird parody, how lame is that?
Unclebenny
Member
I wish some people didn't just use "It's South Park" as a defence.
The intention behind a joke doesn't excuse the joke.
If I make a joke with loads of the N- word in, I can't defend it by saying "it's supposed to be racist".
The intention behind a joke doesn't excuse the joke.
If I make a joke with loads of the N- word in, I can't defend it by saying "it's supposed to be racist".
Drillary Clinton
Banned
Yes there was a controversy over those lyrics and it boiled into another chapter of the Kanye/Taylor feud. Kim and Kanye claimed Taylor had been contacted about the lyrics and was ok with them, Taylor then denied this but it was proven that she lied and in fact did ok the line.
Papo Swing
Member
Well, I saw the video and I see nothing racist other than people pointing out the color of the fish is black. The color black in a fish depicting a black person is not racist in any way.
So yes it is outrage IMO. South Park has done a lot worse and this wasn't even bad. The voice they gave her was even one of the voices/styles they've used before and the minigame was about making sure Kanye Fish mom got to heaven.
I am sorry. Only someone viewing this out of context would think this is racist.
The color black is not automatically racist now I'm sorry. WTH
How sensitive do we have to get when the color black used on an animal to represent a black person is seen as racist .
Ehh.. that was not really my point. I could have shown many of his lyrics that are like this.
But that is not really the point of this thread.
They most likely thought the joke wouldn't have worked visually if she was green like him since they're trying to reference the Kanye game.
Mhmmm, nah, actually, I am in fact allowed to say I think its bad and should not have been put in the game. That is, after all, free speech.
...I also dont understand the comparison to heckling (which, if you feel strongly enough about something, is a form of protest that Im not going to inherently disagree with in absolutely all instances even if in those cases I still think it wont go over well) as it is not disrupting a live performance (not that theres anything inherently valuable or morally good about that), nor causing trouble for the people around me, etc. etc.
No, see, if you also make a joke about Trump occasionally then its totally fine because youre just trying to be funny in general then. For some reason.
Oh, you think the issue is only the color of the fish? Did you even read this thread?
I sure as hell didn't.
its a mean-spirited joke with a hint of racism. That's not something I forget.
hangdang69
Member
I thought it was funny ¯\_(ツ
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_/¯Papo Swing
Member
I did not read all of the comments in the thread but a lot of it. I see that they are saying she has the blackface eyes which is bullshit because green colored Kanye fish has the same eyes.
The thread is mostly reaching for controversy IMO. The actual mini game is about getting Kanye Fish's mom to heaven in a farting unicorn.
The only racist thing people are pointing out are the color and eyes which I think are not racist and the voice which is a voice style used before in south park beofre to represent other characters too.
So explain it to me because I don't get the point. I still think people are overreacting over nothing.
Now if they had insulted his dead mom and made an actual racist joke of it? Then I get, but appears to be racist to some people on a board does not make it racist.
please continue overlooking black skin with large red lips as "color black and eyes"
Fair enough, I misspoke, you can say that it shouldn't be in the game. As far as heckling, it's completely selfish. If you want to protest get up and leave, if you want to take it further, protest and voice your opinions outside, or you will be removed by security anyway.
The comparison, though not direct, is the fact that a heckler alters and usually ruins the performance for the many others around them because it's not to their liking. That's what removing it does. Something something don't tell a man he can't have steak because a baby can't chew it.
Soul of the Beast
Member
What are you gonna do if I say no? Burn down their studio?
Some jokes went a bit too far and it's NOT okay, but there's really no point being obsessed about it.
It's like stepping on someone's toe, it's not okay but what are you gonna do? Kill the guy?
Some jokes went a bit too far and it's NOT okay, but there's really no point being obsessed about it.
It's like stepping on someone's toe, it's not okay but what are you gonna do? Kill the guy?
Papo Swing
Member
Cool, I'll see myself out since I disagree.
Only thing I take from this is some people want to be insulted for others.
Pushing the line? For sure that is South Park's way but I still don't think it is very racist or demeaning.
I have to realize people who make racist jokes, or jokes based on racist imagery like this one, will continually deny they are being racist or insensitive.
Claiming we should only speak up when there is an « actual racist joke » is fucking ridiculous, because they are impossible to pin down, thanks to people constantly shifting goalposts and excusing shitty content like this.
I am a white canadian and I find it racist because I understand the historical context.
Cant imagine many african americans laughing this off an applauding them for « pushing the line ».
Martinski43
Member
I myself loved the whole gay fish segment with him and Seaman lol.
His rants after on coonstagram and while sitting with Seaman at the microbrew afterwards was funny as shit too.
This whole segment was just South Park weird as fuck taken to 11.
His rants after on coonstagram and while sitting with Seaman at the microbrew afterwards was funny as shit too.
This whole segment was just South Park weird as fuck taken to 11.
what fucking line are you talking about? these jokes/caricatures have been around for over a century they're beating a dead racist horse
To be clear, Im not saying they should patch it out or something. Im saying its a bad idea that they shouldnt have had to begin with and certainly shouldnt have put in the game (among many other things).
Also, cmon dude, a racist joke mocking someone wanting to make a tribute to their late mother (whose passing significantly impacted their life) isnt really an essential part of the game that only a true mature adult values or something something, is it?
And if a comedian made a joke that shitty live I would sorta hope someone would speak up.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
If she was green then it would be more than apparent that she was Kanye's mom because she'd have the same skin colour as him... plus you know, he directly refers to her as mom.
Also by the same logic the joke doesn't work visually because Kanye isn't black too.
Good jokes and racist jokes come from the same place. If you're going to use joke based around minorities you need to be careful with them, especially if you're a couple of white guys. Lindsey Ellis did a great video on Mel Brooks and covers why this line of thought is an issue here.
Beyond that part of criticism is being free to say it's racist and shouldn't be used. That anybody who is okay with this kind of thing should seriously reconsider their view instead of just pretending like it's not intentionally racist or not caring about it because they're not the group being targeted.
It's the same model. They just added lipsitck, changed it's color to back and added earrings
Every time someone mentions pushing boundaries or the line I have to wonder how they can possibly think pushing back against maybe we should be decent to marginalized people is progressive or unique in any way.
Alter_Fridge
Member
What about Catatafish?
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Yeah, that's certainly not always the case. If somebody enjoys blatantly racist jokes I don't just stand by like it's okay, I've literally ditched friends for it.
What people want is for those people to ask why they find it funny e.g. why is Coonstagram a hilarious joke or social commentary beyond the fact it's fun to say racial slurs?
tbh I'm more offended by the fact that they're making fun of the man's dead mother. They are also making fun of him doing a tribute to his lost mother.... I really don't see how anybody with a soul can laugh at that.
The blackface thing could possibly be unintentional. But they literally think its cool to make fun of this man's loss because of some childish agenda they have against him.
I like Southpark but this is one of those times they're more offensive than funny.
The blackface thing could possibly be unintentional. But they literally think its cool to make fun of this man's loss because of some childish agenda they have against him.
I like Southpark but this is one of those times they're more offensive than funny.
WhiskeyKnight
Member
See I read the red lips as mostly a gender signifier to let the player know the fish is supposed to be female.
Yup. They knew what they were doing.
WhiskeyKnight
Member
Oops, double post, sorry.
AndrewDean84xX
Banned
Looks like a South park fish with lipstick and earnings to show us it's a female fish.
What's more insulting (and funny) are the Jewish stereotypes from Kyle's cousin early on.
South Park likes to poke fun at the human race, no matter the ethnicity or religion. I mean fuck, the Catholic Priests the want to molest you with rosary anal beads, fuck, lol.
I love this game.
What's more insulting (and funny) are the Jewish stereotypes from Kyle's cousin early on.
South Park likes to poke fun at the human race, no matter the ethnicity or religion. I mean fuck, the Catholic Priests the want to molest you with rosary anal beads, fuck, lol.
I love this game.