Disney classify her as one of the Disney princesses I believe.
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Haven't seen Moana yet but can't wait. I will bring my daughter a Starbucks soon as it opens.
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Is Moana the best animated film Disney has ever made?
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Disney classify her as one of the Disney princesses I believe.
Marriage counts!
Haven't seen Moana yet but can't wait. I will bring my daughter a Starbucks soon as it opens.
ViewtifulJC
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Im saying that with 25 years of distance from Beauty and the Beast release, compared to a movie you literally just saw and proclaimed was the GOAT.
You try taking a classic adventure story like Treasure Island and successfully make it a sci-fi action film, then.
FUCK. I always thought it was a Disney movie.
It can happen. Sometimes it may be a bit premature, as maybe it ages poorly, but you can easily say something like "Beauty and the Beast is my favourite of all time .... and I like this much better". Therefore....
digitalrelic
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Beauty and the Beast wasn't any less brilliant a week after it came out than it is today. True classics don't take a lot of time to be recognized. Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, and The Lion King were all recognized very quickly in the 90's as the masterpieces they were.
This notion spreads across genres. Everyone knew Schindler's List was one for the ages the first time they saw it. Everyone knew Inside Out was some of the best work Pixar has ever done right after the final frame ended. Everyone knew Saving Private Ryan would go down as one of the best depictions of war ever put on film.
We don't always need to wait 20 years before we can declare something as "great".
LegendofJoe
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I think it's odd that Disney didn't hold off on releasing this for a bit. It's going to be 2 full years until Disney Animation releases another original property. Yet, they released both Zootopia and Moana in a single year.
Oh shit are you serious? I'm in. Aladdin is my favorite Disney film.
ViewtifulJC
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If you honestly believe Moana is on the same(actually, HIGHER) level than Beauty and the Beast and Fantasia, I cant stop your premature evaluation. There are people on this website who genuinely think Zootopia is some kind of apex of modern animated films because of something something race/class issues, so IDK. I'll never understand what film you guys saw that elevated them from "good!" to "one of the greatest movies ever created!", but I guess that how that goes.
digitalrelic
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That's called "a difference of opinion", and yours isn't superior to anyone elses.
I agree with you that Zootopia is overrated. So is Frozen. In my opinion though, Moana is on another level. It has a timelessness about it that Disney's other recent efforts won't have, IMO.
I'll also one up the Zootopia comments here. I enjoyed the film but there was nothing revolutionary or risky about it. It's just a well made and executed movie. Frozen is in the same boat for me (although I'd much prefer to watch Zootopia again).
Frozen effect. Moana went from a 2018 film to a 2017 film to a 2016 film based on Frozen continuing to make more and more money. Expect more princesses in your future
even though Elsa and Anna still haven't had their Official Coronation Ceremony some three years later cause Frozen still is more valuable as a separate IP though I still think "why not both?" it.
ViewtifulJC
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There is nothing timeless about all those purposefully anachronistic jokes. That fuckin Twitter joke sucked right now, much less 25/50 years in the future.
Thats actually my main argument against this latest so-called "Renaissance". Disney films have built themselves up on unironic, self-consciusios classicism. Films that exist outside time, adopting folklore and fables with a remove from any modernity. Snow White feels just the same from 1937 to today, as do Bambi, Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty, etc.
But ever since John Lasseter came on board, there's been a streak of slick, marketing-ready modern sense of humor and VERY contemporary self-aware comedies that feel like really good Dreamworks productions or solid Pixar outings instead of Disney movies. Zootopia being the apex of this, like I dont think Disney has ever made a movie so reliant on current cultural touchstones and and awkward movie references and shit. That movie might not survive the next few years, and you're putting it on the same level as Fantasia and Bambi!?!?
ok dude
Thats actually my main argument against this latest so-called "Renaissance". Disney films have built themselves up on unironic, self-consciusios classicism. Films that exist outside time, adopting folklore and fables with a remove from any modernity. Snow White feels just the same from 1937 to today, as do Bambi, Little Mermaid, Sleeping Beauty, etc.
But ever since John Lasseter came on board, there's been a streak of slick, marketing-ready modern sense of humor and VERY contemporary self-aware comedies that feel like really good Dreamworks productions or solid Pixar outings instead of Disney movies. Zootopia being the apex of this, like I dont think Disney has ever made a movie so reliant on current cultural touchstones and and awkward movie references and shit. That movie might not survive the next few years, and you're putting it on the same level as Fantasia and Bambi!?!?
ok dude
The two you mentioned are my top two lol. I don't know man, I loved Shiny, and just because he was a side character, doesn't mean he isn't a villain. King Louie and Kaa from jungle book had small parts, and they're still incredibly memorable with great songs.
Shiny isn't as good as Poor Unfortunate Souls or Hellfire, but it's certainly in their realm.
digitalrelic
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I pointed that out literally in the very first line of the OP:
...And "All those"? What do you mean by "All those"? That was quite literally the only anachronistic line in the film. Have you seen the movie, Viewtiful?
If that one 3 second snippet of the film is the only weak point in the whole two hour runtime, I can deal with that.
Baron von Loathsome
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She didn't get hitched until the direct to video sequel. And Shang isn't a prince.
digitalrelic
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I don't think anyone ever actually believes that they're the only person on the planet that believes something when they use that phrase. It's a figure of speech.
Messofanego
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Do you think it's also the best animated princess movie ever made? Or just Disney?
Cause I don't think anything will top The Tale Of Princess Kaguya, and that's my hyperbole on the matter.
Like, holy shit. OP, if you showed that to your daughter next, her mind would be blown.
Cause that might hit harder because it deals with the treatment of women over the ages than some feel-good adventure with funny sidekicks and songs.
Cause I don't think anything will top The Tale Of Princess Kaguya, and that's my hyperbole on the matter.
Like, holy shit. OP, if you showed that to your daughter next, her mind would be blown.
Cause that might hit harder because it deals with the treatment of women over the ages than some feel-good adventure with funny sidekicks and songs.
ViewtifulJC
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Basically everything about Maui is an anachronism. He uses modern slang and turns of phrases and self-aware gags(see the OT title) and I feel that cheapens the movie. Clements & Musker's films always do this shit, like the very 90s Robin Williams Genie or Hercules being in a Air Jordan ad and dialing 9-1-1, and I find all that stuff anti-Disney. It encases them in ember, beholden to that particular point in history and pop culture, instead of feeling like a movie that could have always existed barring in mind the technology of the time like Beauty and the Beast, The Little Mermaid, Dumbo, etc
digitalrelic
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Do you think it's also the best animated princess movie ever made? Or just Disney?
Cause I don't think anything will top The Tale Of Princess Kaguya, and that's my hyperbole on the matter.
Like, holy shit. OP, if you showed that to your daughter next, her mind would be blown.
Cause that might hit harder because it deals with the treatment of women over the ages than some feel-good adventure with funny sidekicks and songs.
I haven't seen The Tale of Princess Kaguya. Looks great, though. With that said, I don't think my four year old daughter would be able to grasp the nuances quite yet
. Feel-good adventures with funny sidekicks and songs will have to do for now.not to be that guy but the movie is barely a week old. calling it one of the all time greats makes me go
when you described Moana to back up your claim you pretty much described all the other Disney movies we got in the past 7 years.
Tangled
Frozen
both movies with great animation, singing, and lovable sidekicks.
when you described Moana to back up your claim you pretty much described all the other Disney movies we got in the past 7 years.
Tangled
Frozen
both movies with great animation, singing, and lovable sidekicks.
captainpat
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Why do people keep doing this? It's pretty clear that being an actual princess and a Disney princess aren't exactly the same thing.
Astral Dog
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Uh, i still think a great villain is a neccessary ingredient for the best Disney animated movie, could be all villanious or with shades of gray but with songs and be threatening.
The villain made Hunchback and helped Lion King become a classic.
Recent Disney movies lack so much on dat element
ViewtifulJC
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one of the most refreshing things about Moana is that there wasnt a romantic lead or any real villain at all
digitalrelic
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not to be that guy but the movie is barely a week old. calling it one of the all time greats makes me go
As I've stated earlier, the greatest films don't need a lot of time before they're considered great. Films like Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King were considered all-time greats pretty much immediately after release. Moana is no different in my eyes.
My man.
Prophet Steve
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I loved it, but nah. I also don't really see the lack of romantic subplot as something really bold or inspiring. Sure, it often happens and I enjoyed it more this way, but it doesn't seem like that risky to me.
I think it's actually better, bar maybe The Lion King.
"If you wear a dress and have an animal sidekick, you're a princess"
- Maui, 2016.
supernormal
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I'm exited to see it with all the high praise. It's gonna be tough to beat Tangled for me though. Mother Knows Best Reprise is still the best thing ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJNvZRAmeqY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJNvZRAmeqY
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I haven't seen Moana yet (probably this week) but I have a hard time imagining Lion King being surpassed. I'd say it's legitimately one of the greatest movies ever made, no qualifiers required. And I've always been a huge Lilo and Stitch fan too, so passing that would be a feat as well.
Akibastman
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I'll be more harsh but IMO Tarzan is the last classic and the best movies since Tarzan are Lilo & Stitch, The Emperor's New Groove and The Princess and The Frog.
That said, I'm really hyped by Moana and I want to believe it will be a "classic tier" Disney.
Discotheque
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JC spitting facts. Fighting the good fight in here.
I haven't seen Moana yet and I'm sure I'll enjoy it somewhat but what you said about clements and musker (sp?) rings so damn true. Actually it feels like the case with most Disney movies now in general.
I haven't seen Moana yet and I'm sure I'll enjoy it somewhat but what you said about clements and musker (sp?) rings so damn true. Actually it feels like the case with most Disney movies now in general.
Son of a general or something, right?
But I'm pretty sure Disney still classifies her as a princess, don't they?
BronsonLee
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You have betrayed me.
digitalrelic
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I actually agree on this, but I think Moana does a very good job of staying away from that type of writing for the most part.
Moana review: after 80 years of experiments, Disney has made the perfect Disney movie
I think this is a more verbose version of what the OP was trying to say.
I think this is a more verbose version of what the OP was trying to say.
Yeah, this is good insight. But for now, it's definitely among the greatest of greats, yes.
Ganzlinger
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She is the best one
The worst is Aurora from Sleeping Beauty. I don't think she does a significant thing in the entire movie. The side characters are given more time than her.
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