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Media Create Sales: Week 15, 2017 (Apr 10 - Apr 16)

Principate

Saint Titanfall
Dragon Quest XI's multi platform sales will be an interesting litmus test to see if similar results could be achievable with a hypothetical multiplat MH5.

I doubt MH on PS4 would perform similarly to DQ. This isn't or wouldn't be Capcom's first console foray for MH, it does not turn out particularly well.
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
I think that had more to do with the barebones/competitive approach they made at launch, rather than the exclusivity. Exclusive games can do well if they deliver.

Nowhere near as well as they do multiplatform this gen. There's really no point at all.
 

KtSlime

Member
I doubt MH on PS4 would perform similarly to DQ. This isn't or wouldn't be Capcom's first console foray for MH, it does not turn out particularly well.

I don't think PS4 DQ sales will be all that great in the West. Sure, compared to other Japanese games maybe, but I imagine that if everyone in the West only buys the PS4 version, it will probably only amount to about a million. One an a half million is the best DQ has ever done in the west, and I doubt it will reach that, as everything DQ released since 9 has seriously under performed there.
 

Demoli

Member
Capcom has done wierd and questionable decisions but never with MonHun.

At most we'll get a multiplat with switch/ps4, but i can see MH5 on 3DS/switch.

My money is on them releasing it exclusive on switch and keep the partnership with nintendo.

When are we expecting news? TGS?
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
Code:
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|  |  Famitsu |  Famitsu |  Famitsu |  Famitsu |  Famitsu |  Famitsu |  Famitsu |
|  |    PS2   |    GBA   |    PSP   |    NDS   |    WII   |    3DS   |    NSW   |
|Wk|1999.11.29|2000.11.27|2004.11.29|2004.11.29|2006.11.27|2010.11.29|2016.11.28|
|  |    to    |    to    |    to    |    to    |    to    |    to    |    to    |
|  |2001.01.21|2002.01.20|2006.01.22|2006.01.22|2008.01.20|2012.01.22|2018.01.21|
+--+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
| 1|          |          |          |   441.485|   371.936|          |          |
| 2|          |          |   166.074|   181.231|   109.068|          |          |
| 3|          |          |    81.355|   220.295|   101.956|          |          |
| 4|          |          |    92.515|   252.919|   284.648|          |          |
| 5|          |          |   111.194|   173.915|   121.510|          |          |
| 6|          |          |    55.358|   132.117|   146.553|          |          |
| 7|          |          |    57.383|    58.988|    96.975|          |          |
| 8|          |          |    66.601|    47.291|    80.514|          |          |
| 9|          |          |    71.200|    42.255|    81.381|          |          |
|10|          |          |    51.883|    35.451|    75.173|          |          |
|11|          |          |    52.644|    30.791|    68.978|          |          |
|12|          |          |    42.077|    25.557|    63.849|          |          |
|13|          |          |    48.883|    30.177|    88.338|   371.326|          |
|14|   630.552|          |    55.014|    28.280|    61.359|   206.087|   330.637|
|15|   154.245|          |    50.646|    25.275|    49.750|   104.412|    63.420|
|16|    71.780|          |    45.386|    22.772|    63.941|    64.942|    50.821|
|17|   112.620|   611.504|    51.556|    60.507|    87.704|    54.656|    79.493|
|18|   165.685|   323.686|    43.617|    43.806|    40.798|    43.178|    32.262|
|19|   119.430|   197.421|    36.637|    26.752|    44.520|    32.759|    45.271|
|20|    75.704|   139.499|    30.310|    22.678|    62.361|    25.320|    42.700|
|21|    74.350|    95.324|    31.154|    72.767|    65.093|    21.275|          |
|22|    77.762|   141.090|    36.503|    54.145|    74.950|    25.331|          |
|23|    53.956|   141.091|    40.546|    69.594|    77.077|    26.107|          |
|24|    61.022|    88.872|    25.114|    25.301|    55.724|    16.379|          |
|25|    77.928|    70.875|    25.388|    28.379|    57.654|    16.465|          |
|26|   125.940|    71.334|    21.232|    43.845|    61.339|    25.096|          |
|27|   117.376|    58.187|    22.232|    35.019|    70.222|    27.868|          |
|28|   111.150|    51.363|    22.154|    31.915|    64.039|    24.226|          |
|29|    95.967|    52.998|    20.988|    32.206|    70.356|    41.086|          |
|30|    93.939|    93.821|    21.897|    36.485|    66.357|    27.378|          |
|31|   112.157|    91.094|    23.059|    38.142|    75.010|    31.545|          |
|32|   127.102|    94.380|    20.330|    42.581|    70.798|    23.219|          |
|33|   111.320|    73.315|    21.554|    39.672|   104.897|    45.949|          |
|34|    84.448|    95.618|    20.109|    45.012|    75.681|    32.381|          |
|35|    79.038|    85.209|    21.614|    44.272|    70.366|    15.819|          |
|36|    83.777|    85.225|    21.014|    52.523|    62.798|     3.701|          |
|37|    83.779|    94.412|    22.815|    90.882|    63.238|   214.821|          |
|38|    77.202|    94.413|    25.522|    84.648|    69.404|   107.462|          |
|39|    68.593|    78.328|    22.988|    65.035|    50.213|    57.927|          |
|40|    64.758|    64.827|    23.668|    55.034|    47.639|    55.264|          |
|41|    67.404|    57.405|    23.950|    62.641|    38.472|    49.191|          |
|42|    44.216|    50.440|    55.828|    62.772|    30.222|    62.245|          |
|43|    44.279|    68.770|    41.827|    64.655|    27.059|    68.386|          |
|44|    40.517|    61.566|    39.039|    41.412|    24.828|    55.853|          |
|45|    37.171|    44.922|    29.948|    46.609|    21.178|    50.916|          |
|46|    31.303|    39.363|    27.272|    48.724|    23.695|    54.460|          |
|47|    28.203|    37.057|    28.103|    48.348|    30.776|    75.386|          |
|48|    25.822|    44.413|    28.867|    46.246|    34.766|    67.854|          |
|49|    30.538|    36.074|    28.931|    53.948|    40.836|   128.287|          |
|50|    26.159|    33.146|    29.007|    56.098|    34.820|    89.938|          |
|51|    18.749|    28.096|    55.136|    67.232|    36.413|    88.225|          |
|52|    11.390|    31.083|    53.771|   162.398|    47.124|   110.088|          |
|53|     4.628|    43.908|    78.635|   155.494|    70.865|   216.350|          |
|54|    34.860|    38.887|    92.835|   295.701|   109.791|   378.114|          |
|55|    58.367|   120.711|   102.555|   381.776|   168.229|   387.838|          |
|56|    66.536|   264.849|   149.825|   614.748|   263.718|   510.629|          |
|57|    66.538|   215.740|   104.922|   408.195|   161.520|   203.605|          |
|58|   110.648|   286.481|   125.095|   125.957|   242.802|   257.377|          |
|59|    40.361|    88.366|    40.425|    38.524|    82.232|   101.697|          |
|60|    33.552|    56.426|    34.820|    48.564|    75.824|    77.519|          |
+--+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+----------+
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The way I look at it is this. The West has shown multiplatfork is the way to go, where even big exclusive with wide appeal like Uncharted 4 don't make it into the Top 20 in the US where a more core focused previously semi niche game like Dark Souls does.

Lets not get this twisted. Uncharted 4 was a major bundled game for the PS4 in the US. The premier bundle infact during the holidays and NPD does not include bundled games in their software charts. Uncharted 4 would easily surpass DS3 if they were to take bundles into account.

I understand why they don't but this isn't U4 underperforming as an exclusive. It's just you ignoring why its missing from the charts.
 
Did you really just come into a thread about the Japanese market, to say, who cares what the Japanese market thinks?

Many Japanese companies DO still consider their home Japan, and DO care about if their product is successful in Japan. Of course Western sales are valuable to Japanese companies, however, many aren't ready to throw their regular consumers under the bus for some imaginary promised land.

Dude I've been browsing MC threads for years now. I know how quick people to dismiss western/digital sales around here.

Just go back and look how people were celebrating Typo 0 and FF XV "low " Japanese sales when in reality both titles exceeded SE's expectations (largely thanks to western sales).

I used to not think about it much but after FF XV it was clear to me that a large number of posters here have something against PS4 3rd party titles.
 

Fisico

Member
Dude I've been browsing MC threads for years now. I know how quick people to dismiss western/digital sales around here.

Just go back and look how people were celebrating Typo 0 and FF XV "low " Japanese sales when in reality both titles exceeded SE's expectations (largely thanks to western sales).

I used to not think about it much but after FF XV it was clear to me that a large number of posters here have something against PS4 3rd party titles.

Damn and here I was, thinking your previous post was sarcasm.

Could we close this can of worm that is Monster Hunter 5 anyway?
 

jonno394

Member
Dude I've been browsing MC threads for years now. I know how quick people to dismiss western/digital sales around here.

Just go back and look how people were celebrating Typo 0 and FF XV "low " Japanese sales when in reality both titles exceeded SE's expectations (largely thanks to western sales).

I used to not think about it much but after FF XV it was clear to me that a large number of posters here have something against PS4 3rd party titles.

So Final fantasy XV sells multiple millions in the west? What does this prove? FF series has console pedigree, so it doing well worldwide is not much of a surprise.

No-one has an agenda against PS4 here.
 
Dude I've been browsing MC threads for years now. I know how quick people to dismiss western/digital sales around here.

Just go back and look how people were celebrating Typo 0 and FF XV "low " Japanese sales when in reality both titles exceeded SE's expectations (largely thanks to western sales).

I used to not think about it much but after FF XV it was clear to me that a large number of posters here have something against PS4 3rd party titles.

Nobody has anything against PS4 3rd party games. This is the first time I've ever heard that. You're just creating your own narrative.
 

Celine

Member
Finally a comparison with good selling systems for Switch :)

I used to not think about it much but after FF XV it was clear to me that a large number of posters here have something against PS4 3rd party titles.
In Japan FFXV sales are the lowest for a mainline FF game since FFIII.
If you think FFXV being on PS4 is what really influence people judgement in here, think again.
 

Hero

Member
I wish Capcom would just announce platforms for MH already so we can stop having the discussion every MC.
 

GunBR

Member
There's no reason for release a PS4 or Switch exclusive on Japan right now and I think Capcom will do this with MH 5. Unless Nintendo or Sony help her ($$$) in the development

And I don't understand why there's some people here who want the game to be exclusive
 

sense

Member
Dude I've been browsing MC threads for years now. I know how quick people to dismiss western/digital sales around here.

Just go back and look how people were celebrating Typo 0 and FF XV "low " Japanese sales when in reality both titles exceeded SE's expectations (largely thanks to western sales).

I used to not think about it much but after FF XV it was clear to me that a large number of posters here have something against PS4 3rd party titles.
This is a battle you are not going to win lol. Just sit back and enjoy the meltdowns when the game is announced for PS4 as well as 3ds/switch.

Games like nier, nioh, persona 5 have shown that there is a sizable audience that is willing to buy good Japanese games. Dark souls is another big one. I don't understand why people have an issue if capcom tries to capture that audience with a well made game. Companies need to take risks and expand their brand. Could it fail? Sure, but you have to try and PS4 worldwide market and appeal cannot be ignored. Obviously they need the 3ds/switch to play it safe in the home market. People arguing for the game to be exclusive on either side are just being blind fanboys.
 

dracula_x

Member
Dude I've been browsing MC threads for years now. I know how quick people to dismiss western/digital sales around here.

Just go back and look how people were celebrating Typo 0 and FF XV "low " Japanese sales when in reality both titles exceeded SE's expectations (largely thanks to western sales).

I used to not think about it much but after FF XV it was clear to me that a large number of posters here have something against PS4 3rd party titles.

another example → http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1282019&page=11#541

P5 will sell over 1 million outside Japan?

Persona 5 ships over 1.5 million copies worldwide → http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1358347
 

Mokujin

Member
There's no reason for release a PS4 or Switch exclusive on Japan right now and I think Capcom will do this with MH 5. Unless Nintendo or Sony help her ($$$) in the development

And I don't understand why there's some people here who want the game to be exclusive

There was some involvement from Nintendo to get MH4 exclusively on 3DS so that opens two scenarios:

a) Nintendo tries it again, Capcom likes the deal and MH stays as exclusive.

b) Nintendo doesn't try or Capcom thinks going multi platform is a better course of action for the franchise.

I could see it going either way really.
 
I used to not think about it much but after FF XV it was clear to me that a large number of posters here have something against PS4 3rd party titles.

Naw. FF15 just has one of the most ridiculous announcement to release cycles in history. And its one of the worst selling FF mainline games. It's not really a conspiracy theory man.

As for MH5, the reason why there is discussions about platforms and multiplat etc etc is basically because;

1) Capcom saying they wanna grow the series and handhelds lack popularity in the West
2) Nintendo being a huge partner in growing the series in the West and Capcom leaving that if they go multiplat
3) Rumours of MH coming to PS platforms in some form and that specific rumour about Sony giving the bag of money for MH5 on PS4/not on Switch
4) When you sell 4 million units in Japan and the PS4 has no million sellers it's insane ton make an exclusive for it.

You look at these points. Of course this is a huge topic of discussion. MH is a huge franchise.
 
Speaking of Persona!

http://gematsu.com/2017/04/atlus-registers-persona-domains-p3d-p5ag-p5d-p5r-p5u-persona-dance-pq2

Ryusoffice Corporation, the company that registered the RPG.jp domain name for Atlus, registered several Persona-related domain names on April 18.

The list of newly registered domains include:

P3D.jp (Persona 3 Dancing?)
P5AG.jp (Persona 5 A…fter Golden?)
P5D.jp (Persona 5 Dancing?)
P5R.jp (Persona 5 R…acing?)
P5U.jp (Persona 5 Ultimax / Persona 5 Arena?)
Persona-Dance.jp (Persona Dancing portal site?)
PQ2.jp (Persona Q: Shadows of the Labyrinth 2?)

It begins.
 
Capcom should just split MH into two series: a home console series and a portable series.

Dude I've been browsing MC threads for years now. I know how quick people to dismiss western/digital sales around here.

Just go back and look how people were celebrating Typo 0 and FF XV "low " Japanese sales when in reality both titles exceeded SE's expectations (largely thanks to western sales).

I used to not think about it much but after FF XV it was clear to me that a large number of posters here have something against PS4 3rd party titles.

We've all seen it. I remember when Asian sales were treated as a joke, or even western sales of some of these niche Japanese games, until we got sales data from publishers. Oh and when some were constantly questioning why PS4 was getting third party titles, thinking PS4's audience was not receptive to Japanese games WW. But we all make mistakes and misconceptions, its part of the fun in these threads.
 

Chris1964

Sales-Age Genius
I wish Capcom would just announce platforms for MH already so we can stop having the discussion every MC.

MH is on 3DS since 2011, do you think the discussion ended all these years? Vita and PS4 were present at every announcement.
 
After the success of Nioh, Nier, FFXV, Persona 5, RE7 etc you would think people would stop underestimating 3rd party titles on the PS4.

Oh wait I forgot that this is the Media Create thread where everything is decided by the Japanese market performance and western/digital sales have absolutely no weight whatsoever in companies investment decisions.

Man this is a condescending post. Of course we mostly take into account Japanese sales in a Japanese sales thread. Resident Evil 7 underperformed massively and so did Final Fantasy XV in Japan, thankfully those are more global IPs than Monster Hunter and the West was able to salvage them. Monster Hunter doesn't have that same crutch if it underperforms in Japan. If sales go down in Japan, sales will go down world wide.

I'm not sure if I see massive growth in the West for the franchise regardless of what Capcom does.
 
Capcom should just split MH into two series: a home console series and a portable series.

Why? Why develop different games (which arent even different, it will be almost identical gameplay) on all different platforms when its the same people buying these games anyway? This would piss me off more than their yearly G updates. Don't spread the fans of the series out.

Why not just make the series Multiplat? Especially given they just merged the titles from split to only mainline literally last gen.

The Switch is strong enough that this shouldnt be an issue. A strong Switch version upgraded on PS4/X1/PC will go over fine.


Prior to this past year I don't recall the discussion being this rampant.

It was. You werent looking hard enough.
 

GunBR

Member
4) When you sell 4 million units in Japan and the PS4 has no million sellers it's insane ton make an exclusive for it.

You look at these points. Of course this is a huge topic of discussion. MH is a huge franchise.
Neither has the Switch
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see Monster Hunter selling over 2 mi in any of this consoles (or even less). So that's why I think that Capcom is going multiplat

This or they're gonna release the game to 3DS. Because...why not?
 

Principate

Saint Titanfall
Neither has the Switch
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see Monster Hunter selling over 2 mi in any of this consoles (or even less). So that's why I think that Capcom is going multiplat

This or they're gonna release the game to 3DS. Because...why not?
The switch will have a few by it's first year-ish. Even the Wii u managed that.
 

Hero

Member
Why? Why develop different games (which arent even different, it will be almost identical gameplay) on all different platforms when its the same people buying these games anyway? This would piss me off more than their yearly G updates. Don't spread the fans of the series out.

Why not just make the series Multiplat? Especially given they just merged the titles from split to only mainline literally last gen.

The Switch is strong enough that this shouldnt be an issue. A strong Switch version upgraded on PS4/X1/PC will go over fine.




It was. You werent looking hard enough.

It started from MH3G/MH4 announcement and it didn't stop since then.

It popped up in almost EVERY MC weekly thread? I mean, I haven't been that active in the MC threads but I don't remember seeing it happen so often. Not something I'm particularly invested in arguing, just commenting on how it seems to happen every thread now.
 
Neither has the Switch
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't see Monster Hunter selling over 2 mi in any of this consoles (or even less). So that's why I think that Capcom is going multiplat

This or they're gonna release the game to 3DS. Because...why not?

The Switch is going to have more million sellers in one caledender year than the PS4 is going to have in its lifetime. Can we not do this?

My list wasn't talking about what I want to happen. It was talking about what is fueling discussion and the reality is an exlcusive MH on PS4 is going to have embarassing sales in comparison to the series standard in Japan. Tri did 1.2 million on Wii. You think MH5 on PS4 has a huge chance of going beyond this?

And yes you are wrong. MH5 on Switch if it were exclusive is going to clear 2 million units easily.

I have no idea what platforms they will pick but what you are arguing is just none sense.
 

sense

Member
Yea, people were clamoring for PS4 port back in 2011 when the system wasn't even announced....

It looks like switch is taking the place of vita/PS4 for a lot of announcements going forward and we are going to see a lot of "why not switch" posts and "x" company is dumb ( this is happening already but will only get worse)
 

Scum

Junior Member
Oh. It's the "3DS is holding MH back. It looks meh on the damn thing. Capcom, pls. Put it on the PS4/PS4 Pro™. It'll look great and then I can laugh at the Nintendo Fanboys" thing again.
I reckon the next instalment will be Switch & PS4. But I expect Capcom to Capcom it and announce it for the 3DS & PS4. ⚆ _ ⚆
 

Vinnk

Member
Yea, people were clamoring for PS4 port back in 2011 when the system wasn't even announced....

They were clamoring for a Vita port. It was bad. Really bad.

But that actually made more sense at the time than the current discussion because Vita is a portable and MonHon had been a massive success on the PSP.
 
They were clamoring for a Vita port. It was bad. Really bad.

But that actually made more sense at the time than the current discussion because Vita is a portable and MonHon had been a massive success on the PSP.
Plus there was that tease by Capcom at the NGP conference when they showed P3rd running on the system.

Sony must have really pissed off Ryozo Tsujimoto something fierce.
 

extralite

Member
But the ps4 is only getting 1, maybe 2 million sellers in its life.

You mean PS4 will get at least 2 million sellers. FFXV is practically there (with digital it should have been for a while) and DQXI will outsell FFXV.

FFVIIR has a very good chance to outsell both XV and DQXI. If remakes to mainline DQ games that sold 3~4 million can sell 700k~2 million, surely a remake of a 4 million selling FF can sell over a million. VII and Cloud are the most popular Final Fantasy properties.

And with the series format we'll get at least a full game worth of time with Aerith. The next best thing to reviving her is to lengthen the time you can spend with her.
 

Oregano

Member
You mean PS4 will get at least 2 million sellers. FFXV is practically there (with digital it should have been for a while) and DQXI will outsell FFXV.

FFVIIR has a very good chance to outsell both XV and DQXI. If remakes to mainline DQ games that sold 3~4 million can sell 700k~2 million, surely a remake of a 4 million selling FF can sell over a million. VII and Cloud are the most popular Final Fantasy properties.

And with the series format we'll get at least a full game worth of time with Aerith. The next best thing to reviving her is to lengthen the time you can spend with her.

I don't disagree but those DQ remakes were on the most popular hardware on the market.
 
I dont think dq11 will outsell ffxv because its sales are split 3 ways, i dont think ffvii will because its multiple games and its an action rpg.

Could be wrong though of course.
 
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