Pai Pai Master
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Uncle Ben is next, it's the only way they can keep up the escalation!
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Marvel Legacy's "Big Return" Revealed
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Uncle Ben is next, it's the only way they can keep up the escalation!
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
Professor X, then Cyclops
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Nah. Hickman going to DC.
But not to JL. That's my man Priest. Hope he kills it. Hickman has to do Legion of Super-Heroes.
More importantly...
I low-key wish Cyke wasn't so lily-white. If he hadn't been I feel like Marvel would've never tried to kill him. With Mutants being an allegory for downtrodden minorities, Scott turned into a fuckin' revolutionary for his people. You GOTTA respect that shit. Fuck Logan. Fuck Jean. Get my boy Scott back on the playing field, and get his boring as fuck teenage self tf out.
Freezasaurus
Member
I definitely wouldn't mind seeing it, but Hickman is making good money at Image working on his own books. Black Monday Murders in particular is fantastic.
Spoiler alert,
one of them is already back and not a teenager.
PROFESSOR CHARLES XAVIER
You must have not read Sandman Overture.
616 Gwen Stacy still dead
Pop-O-Matic
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RedHoodedOwl
Member
I don't care about Logan. Marvel should bring back James Rhodes.
googleplex
Member
So.... Marvel spend 2 whole years trying and failing to turn Cyclops into a villain. Scott ends up more popular then ever. Then they write an entire shitty event around his death. Only to have Cyclops die the most meaningless deaths possible off screen. And then Marvel continues the Cyclops character assassination after he long dead. (FUCK YOU MARVEL)
Now marvel is planning to bring Cyclops Ex-wife and the Man who tried for years to sleep with her back. Oh yeah Marvel it is your diversity push that causing your decline in sales. Not the constant shitty events or whiplash inducing about-face to the status quo.
I can't wait for the double page spread of Wolverine and Jean fucking on Cyclops grave. Opps... I forgot. They didn't even bother to bury Scott at the X-mansion.
Now marvel is planning to bring Cyclops Ex-wife and the Man who tried for years to sleep with her back. Oh yeah Marvel it is your diversity push that causing your decline in sales. Not the constant shitty events or whiplash inducing about-face to the status quo.
I can't wait for the double page spread of Wolverine and Jean fucking on Cyclops grave. Opps... I forgot. They didn't even bother to bury Scott at the X-mansion.
Marvel bablefishd themselves.
Doing this proves thier incompetence exists and therefore they dont: QED
I mean why not bring back the marriage if theyre that hard up on crashing.
Or, I dunno, getting HR to have an interview sans coffee with certain individuals who seem to think the condoning batting people in the teeth and being biligerant online (yes, slott, your power fantasy of SPOCK far outweighs ours of a working marriage, please give it a rest) is going to keep sales going.
Could do with slaping thier editorial upside the head for letting slip the /co/ letter in America and the typo minefield too.
Doing this proves thier incompetence exists and therefore they dont: QED
I mean why not bring back the marriage if theyre that hard up on crashing.
Or, I dunno, getting HR to have an interview sans coffee with certain individuals who seem to think the condoning batting people in the teeth and being biligerant online (yes, slott, your power fantasy of SPOCK far outweighs ours of a working marriage, please give it a rest) is going to keep sales going.
Could do with slaping thier editorial upside the head for letting slip the /co/ letter in America and the typo minefield too.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Wait, wasn't that only in the Earth X etc. series? I forget....
RedHoodedOwl
Member
It's from Marville. Wolverine is an evolved otter.
Honesty the way things are going they might as well concider that trainwreck cannon.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
That plotline's in the "we're just going to ignore this instead of dignifying it with a retcon" box, along with the Spider Totem stuff.
BudokaiMR2
Member
I've never heard of that print and I am just going to pretend like you didn't tell me either.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Brand New Day was nearly a decade ago. They publish a title based on the marriage now. Time to let it go, fam.
darkhunger
Member
And still possibly alive since there's no dead body (other characters that "died" in similar ways in that event are already back)
Jimnymebob
Member
I'm usually up to date on Marvel characters dying, but I had no idea
was dead.
Wolverine
Wait what?
How are they able to explain Professor X's brain being used on Red Skull? Why can't Marvel just be satisfied with a change in the status quo? To me, I don't mind Professor X being dead, Wolverine still being dead, X-23 being Wolverine, Bruce Banner being dead and Cho being Hulk, Sam Wilson being Captain America, Jane Foster being Thor, Tony Stark not being Iron Man and Cyclops still being dead because things have to change.
Marvel just sees sales numbers and panic.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Nah. None of those ideas were well thought out enough to be worth keeping. Those deaths mostly didn't happen as a logical conclusion to a story being told, those legacy characters didn't happen that way either.
I don't want Marvel to only tell stories about straight white dudes, but I don't want that to happen b/c you killed them all. Nor do I want change for the sake of change, which is what you seem to be arguing for.
I didn't miss Logan but I'd rather have him than OML or Daken.
Isn't that Vandal savage's story?
HazySaiyan
Banned
Why do comics actually even bother killing people off? Everybody knows that they're going to come back.
Logan's ending was the perfect way for him to go
he fights the person who created the program and died encased in adamantium while his female clone carries on his legacy and has her own story to figure out.
Same with Captain America and Thor really. Cap and Thor didn't die, they just are no longer their namesake roles.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
I liked Death of Wolverine as a beautifully drawn wide-screen comic, but nah.
And Cap and Thor? What's the difference between this time Cap lost the serum and the time he was killed? Should've just let Bucky stay in that case. And Thor? Original Sin sucked, and also Thor's a name not an identity. I like Jane Foster but the idea behind this was always dumb.
I appreciate them for resetting a lot of it. You can expand the lore without getting rid of the characters. See: Captain Marvel.
Mr. Poolman
Member
I'm going to regret it... but how did he came back?
He's technically not yet
Just basically a psychic spirit of him imprisoned by Shadowking
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
For now,
some leftover part of his psyche is just playing chess with the Shadow King in some dark realm.
tkscz
Member
That is the 100% wrong way to do it. I liked the character until CWII. After that, I can't stand her.
Some Nobody
Junior Member
Man I swear it wasn't that long ago when X-Men were decent. But between the O5 and the fact that there's like ten X-Books, things have just been trash for a couple years now. >_<
BKatastrophe
Member
But the original Captain Marvel did die, which started the legacy chain. And some of those Captain Marvels are dead. At least Phyla-Vell still is
No wonder I never follow Marvel or DC comics. Where is the permenance in the stories?
Some Nobody
Junior Member
In the case of the original Mar-Vell and Genis, they both reached logical ends to their stories, which is fine. Phyla-Vell should come back, though. An energy sword-wielding space lesbian? Who tf thought killing her off was a good idea?
I don't think bad ideas should stay just so we can feel like change matters. Tony and Rhodey should both be around right now.
Ignatz Mouse
Banned
Honestly, I could live without permanence if they didn't make a big deal about the changes in the first place.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
do we know if this gonna mess with Old Man Logan in any way? its probably my favorite ongoing comic so i really hope they dont throw it out for this. i mean i cant see why they would, but comics seems to do weird shit like that all the time, cant trust em.
I didnt realize he had anything going over there. Ill have to check it out.
The worst part of Original Sin is was the payoff was so bad years later.
The idea that Thor became unworthy because of something Nick Fury said was cool, but then three years later when it was revealed I was like Thats it?
It feels like they originally had a better idea but chose not to use it.
More like they had no idea and Jason Aaron had to make up an explanation and connected to his Godkiller storyline
Some Nobody
Junior Member
This. Man I really wish Kathryn Immonen's Journey into Mystery had worked. Jane Foster Thor is nice and all but the way they changed the guard was silly and it's going to be worse when they finally swap back.
The big two will use any idea that results in even the most minuscule bump in sales.