Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
The zooming isn't to show, "oh man!! Looks at this label!"
It's more to be able to show exactly what changes since this is a tech analaysis and not just a video/picture comparison.
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Digital Foundry: Wolfenstein 2: Xbox One X's Biggest Leap Over PS4 Pro?
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The zooming isn't to show, "oh man!! Looks at this label!"
It's more to be able to show exactly what changes since this is a tech analaysis and not just a video/picture comparison.
Tomeru
Member
Oh ok, we're going that way...
Significant improvements over pro
Xbox One X is a BEAST
DOUBLE the pixel res count!!
Matches closely to PC highest settings on a 1080ti!!
Better shading effects over pro
Wasn't this using fp16
Thats the reason so many users left to other forum.
Unfortunately some console warriors moved as well to ensure same level of shit in DF threads
Agree
guitarguy316
Member
Can someone paraphrase? I dont want to see any spoilers.
Significant improvements over pro
Xbox One X is a BEAST
DOUBLE the pixel res count!!
Matches closely to PC highest settings on a 1080ti!!
Better shading effects over pro
Wasn't this using fp16
Remember when there were 900p xb1 vs 1080p ps4 days and the fucking MELTDOWN? Now we have a much much bigger difference and suddenly it doesnt Matter.
juliushandle
Member
I bought a 4K TV and was fine playing 1080p games on it. Until, I saw 4K 60fps HDR Forza 7 demo at Best Buy. Now I need a 4Pro or BoneX but waiting on price drops.
Phatosaurus
Member
Both versions look great, the X1X version looks better. Neither maintain a full 60FPS.
It's a shame variable refresh rates TVs aren't more of a thing because that would really go in X1X's favour and smooth those frame drops out.
I know switching to a Gsync monitor was a massive upgrade for me, I still cap some games at 60FPS, but for anything that I'd otherwise have to cap at 30, i can leave to run at 40-50FPS which is much smoother.
It's a shame variable refresh rates TVs aren't more of a thing because that would really go in X1X's favour and smooth those frame drops out.
I know switching to a Gsync monitor was a massive upgrade for me, I still cap some games at 60FPS, but for anything that I'd otherwise have to cap at 30, i can leave to run at 40-50FPS which is much smoother.
Lol what? This is primarily what DF does, console comparisons. A new console just came out so...
family_guy
Member
When you were paying $500 on a Xbox One that performed worse than a $400 PS4, you bet it mattered more back then. Now you pay more and get a better experience. Absolutely shocking. I'm not surprised that someone with a GTX 1080 has a better experience than me with my GTX 1070. The true value in these DF console comparisons should be if the more expensive console that came out a year later is performing worse. That to me would warrant a meltdown.
VCALMLIKEABOMBV
Neo Member
It's amazing how a new console can turn objective people into "fanboys". That being said I go through that same thing. I got the Xbox One X and I thought finally I can show my advantage with my favorite choice of console, which I couldn't do with the vanilla Xbox one vs PS4.
I turned on my PS4 pro after playing Xbox One X and I loaded up Ratchet and Clank and man enhanced it looks like a Pixar movie. Horizon Dawn is a graphic masterpiece. Then I turned on my switch and I looked at the amazing art style of Mario and Zelda BOTW.
I am truly blown away by TF2 on X1X, and COD WW2, and Gears of War 4 just looks awesome. At the end of the day if I just had a PS4 pro, I would be okay with Wolfenstein II on the system. There are improvements on X1X but at the end of the day I try to step outside of that "I have the best thing" mentality and just be a gamer and enjoy games.
I turned on my PS4 pro after playing Xbox One X and I loaded up Ratchet and Clank and man enhanced it looks like a Pixar movie. Horizon Dawn is a graphic masterpiece. Then I turned on my switch and I looked at the amazing art style of Mario and Zelda BOTW.
I am truly blown away by TF2 on X1X, and COD WW2, and Gears of War 4 just looks awesome. At the end of the day if I just had a PS4 pro, I would be okay with Wolfenstein II on the system. There are improvements on X1X but at the end of the day I try to step outside of that "I have the best thing" mentality and just be a gamer and enjoy games.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Man, its bizarre since GAF changed recently (lets just say were in a transitional period) to see all these IGN-esque console warrior arguments all over the place. I spent 10 years on other forums before coming here and these bullshit arguments bring me right back to that time.
People... the Xbox One X is clearly a big step up technology-wise from the Pro, and it will be a very noticeable jump if you have a 4K TV. And thats okay. You can still love your Pro, its a great console. But the level of denial and pettiness in this thread is maddening.
Just enjoy whatever console you prefer and get on with life.
People... the Xbox One X is clearly a big step up technology-wise from the Pro, and it will be a very noticeable jump if you have a 4K TV. And thats okay. You can still love your Pro, its a great console. But the level of denial and pettiness in this thread is maddening.
Just enjoy whatever console you prefer and get on with life.
SenkiDala
Member
I don't understand what you mean. You expect the PS5 to just match the XOX? I expect it to be a new generation. So yeah I expect a leap on the PS5.
As others said, between the PS4 Pro and the X the "leap" is very (very) tiny, my XOS is way enough to me.
CrazyDutch
Neo Member
Wolfenstein II is in HDR on Xbox One X right?
guitarguy316
Member
Nobody wants to summarize?
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
No.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
It's not but ok. 👍
MilkyJoe
Member
I remember grass gate...
Alebrije
Member
XboneX is a beast
X is pushing a lot more pixels here, i think higher memory bandwidth is helping a lot here, although Wolfenstien 2 was supposed to use FP16 on PS4Pro, i wonder where did the FP16 came handy for this title although pushing lower res and still dropping frames.
i would like to see devs supporting CBR more on PS4Pro which still pushing less pixels might look sharper than a straight upscale.
i would like to see devs supporting CBR more on PS4Pro which still pushing less pixels might look sharper than a straight upscale.
The zoom allows people on smaller displays to see the difference
That's what I tell everyone that says "there isn't much difference", or "its just diminishing returns at this point." Or watch the comparisons on compressed youtube videos. You really have to see it in person to understand just how good it looks.
I probably won't expect any dev to fully exploit RPM on the pro beside first part dev like PS3. Pro was designed to have at least enough power for 2X resolution boost over PS4 for checkerboard rendering, but I felt like that did not pan out as they would have hoped due to engine compatibility and 3rd party want to spend minimal time and resources and go for a more direct approach like dynamic res or a fixed 1440p and call it a day.
Read a again. There's a resolution cap of 1440p on pro. Meaning it can't exceed it.
lol
cool.
rokkerkory
Member
Get the X version
eso76
Member
YouTube though.
Which has me wondering, why won't DF use a better platform ?
I mean, your point is offering in-depth graphical analysis, pixel counting etc and you do that on YouTube ?
Use Vimeo at least, or ask Blim to host vids on gamersyde platform
Heck, at least give people the possibility to download vids in higher bitrate.
Even a 12/16mbit decent encode that hasn't gone through YouTube grinder would be good and very manageable in size.
Didn't know that.
Still...come on
Also uncompressed as in... uncompressed?? That's overkill.
rokkerkory
Member
We're likely not going to see 1440p games on the X unless it's pushing like 480p on the One LOL!
Perhaps when xbox next hits and the X becomes the low end model.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Did you write the same post when they compared Pro to Xbox One?
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Yes thats what I just said and what DF said also.
How convenient those claiming diminishing returns now that Xbox is more powerful. Meanwhile in 2013-2015 people were zooming in and counting grassblades in GTA and making 900P vs 1080P the end all be all. It is really obvious how the narrative always shifts in Sony's favor around here, those downplaying differences aren't fooling anyone.
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Grassgate was great.
We were at that point earlier in the gen but that didn't stop Sony fanboys from prancing around the internet claiming dominance
Truth hurts huh?
YouTube though.
Which has me wondering, why won't DF use a better platform ?
I mean, your point is offering in-depth graphical analysis, pixel counting etc and you do that on YouTube ?
Use Vimeo at least, or ask Blim to host vids on gamersyde platform
Heck, at least give people the possibility to download vids in higher bitrate.
Even a 12/16mbit decent encode that hasn't gone through YouTube grinder would be good and very manageable in size.
Didn't know that.
Still...come on
Also uncompressed as in... uncompressed?? That's overkill.
If people are actually paying for uncompressed videos, then they have no incentive to give them away for free. But this surely can't be their main stream income, can it?
Isn't it just as convenient to you that this argument is now brought foward by Sony fanboys? If it were not, you would actually consider it to be true (or false). No offense mate: I really don't care about this console-war, but we are seeing diminishing returns here just as we saw diminishing returns with each and every new console generation. When we jump from 4k to 16k, this should be even more obvious than now.
tryDEATH
Member
DF is just exposing for what a rushed debacle Sony made by trying to beat MS to the market with the PS4P. No UHD player nor enough of a performance boost.
I know its a stupid cliche, but the PS4P in its current form truly was a mistake by Sony, which is becoming so evident. They could have waited longer due to their amazing sales and release after MS and put the final nail in the Xbox coffin instead they are now forced to be a clear second in the console market for the foreseeable future. I truly feel sorry for the people that upgraded to the PS4P, because truly there wasn't almost any real value in that product.
I know its a stupid cliche, but the PS4P in its current form truly was a mistake by Sony, which is becoming so evident. They could have waited longer due to their amazing sales and release after MS and put the final nail in the Xbox coffin instead they are now forced to be a clear second in the console market for the foreseeable future. I truly feel sorry for the people that upgraded to the PS4P, because truly there wasn't almost any real value in that product.
Yep DF is always "paid off" if a sony console isn't the winner.
Bigby_Wolf
Banned
I think they got greedy.
I think they were betting that people wouldn't notice the difference and they could use their exclusives and price difference to sway people anyway but I don't think Sony had any idea of for who or why they were making this machine.
I really believe MS had the idea first and Sony just rushed PS4P out to beat MS to it. There's zero strategy or Target audience for the Pro. Nothing.
CRAIG667
Member
Some of the fanoyish bickering in this thread is beyond childish.
If youre not playing on as many platforms as possible youre doing yourself a misjustice as a gamer.
If you buy into the whole console war BS you need to chill.
Having a preference is all fine but it doesnt mean you have to talk all alternatives down as utter crap!
I came here to escape this kind of bickering that is rife on N4G... Since this site went through its recent change things have got silly with this stuff.
Plealse stop it.
Get along.
Appreciate all platforms.
If youre not playing on as many platforms as possible youre doing yourself a misjustice as a gamer.
If you buy into the whole console war BS you need to chill.
Having a preference is all fine but it doesnt mean you have to talk all alternatives down as utter crap!
I came here to escape this kind of bickering that is rife on N4G... Since this site went through its recent change things have got silly with this stuff.
Plealse stop it.
Get along.
Appreciate all platforms.