I've spent more time with Rooftop Run Act 2 than I have with the rest of the game put together. It's just so much fun (for me, at least) to try to speed run that stage. The music, the visuals, the level design... I just love it.
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Sonic Generations |OT| What Sonic can learn from Sonic
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I've spent more time with Rooftop Run Act 2 than I have with the rest of the game put together. It's just so much fun (for me, at least) to try to speed run that stage. The music, the visuals, the level design... I just love it.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Yeah, aside from Rooftop Run, the Cool Edge music and Eggmanland music are probably the only day time music I really like from that game.
Professor Beef
Banned
Made an avatar bet that I could beat a fellow Gaffer in Marvel vs. Capcom 3, and lost.
A couple weeks later, we had another one, but the avatar bet was made after my accepting the match. Another month on top of that one.
I can finally shed this...monstrosity...come March 4th.
Phonomezer
Banned
Lost World!
Box of Bunnies
Banned
That's not in Generations, though.
Phonomezer
Banned
I like to pretend it is
I'm pissed off at Sega for just letting Generations sit and rot. I want some effing DLC.
Box of Bunnies
Banned
Yeah, I'd like some DLC too. I'm worried they'd just keep pumping out stages though and I'd have to keep shovelling MS Funbux their way.
What about Chun Nan's theme? That was one of my favorite songs from the game.
The night version is my favorite, but I really like the day version as well.
I'm also fond of the Apotos day music along with Spagonia's night & day.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I've been replaying/playing Sonic Unleashed (replay HD/play SD) on-and-off (I say this cuz I wanna replay Tales of Graces this week~), and I've become even more fond of the music. Of course, Rooftop Run is superior in Generations, but the melodies are so wonderful. The genre and instrument variation throughout the soundtrack because of the 'world voyage' idea the game employs is extremely refreshing. You hear instruments that you don't typically hear in other soundtracks.
It's almost like an RPG soundtrack in that manner (and I guess that's what was intended due to the hub worlds, NPC chatter, etc... in some ways, you can argue that it's a better RPG than Sonic Chronicles was), and because of that, it rivals even the better RPG soundtracks out there. It reminds me of Terranigma's town themes a little, tbh.
It's almost like an RPG soundtrack in that manner (and I guess that's what was intended due to the hub worlds, NPC chatter, etc... in some ways, you can argue that it's a better RPG than Sonic Chronicles was), and because of that, it rivals even the better RPG soundtracks out there. It reminds me of Terranigma's town themes a little, tbh.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
..........
*sighs in relief* You had me going there, Beef.
I figured it was an avatar bet, lol. I thought you were participating in RP-GAF, and then--poof!--avatar change!
I think I've said it before, but stringing Unleashed -> Act 2 -> Act 1 together and listening to the theme change over time makes me happy in ways I can't precisely define.
And large amounts of them are live. They recorded an actual erhu for Chun-Nan Night, and the two Adabat tracks feature an honest-to-god gamelan. I can only wonder at what the sound budget for the game was.
I should try this. I really enjoyed hearing the three act themes progress in Colors.
PeakPointMatrix
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What's RP-GAF?
Professor Beef
Banned
Real Pic GAF
BlazeHedgehog
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Regarding Unleashed levels in Generations, there was a new video for that yesterday:
Skyscraper Scamper
Skyscraper Scamper
Zomba13
Member
Wow, that is looking... smooth...
SpikedGunner
Member
Looks great, and the generations mechanics (i.e. no QTEs) make the stage seem more enjoyable.
ThatObviousUser
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Why is the quick step so weak here? Everything else is amazing though.
ColtraineGF
Member
Skyscraper Scamper is one of my favorite levels in Unleashed. Running through the city on twisting, winding roads, grinding past industrial districts, running at high speed across the not-Manhattan Bridge, all to an awesome sax.
Especially that one part where you run in a zigzag pattern right up a skyscraper or two. That particular part is my favorite moment in the three 'modern' games (next to Terminal Velocity), just amazing.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Sonic Team must be impressed by fans that are this inventive. And maybe kicking themselves they didn't port the Unleashed data over...
But seriously impressive stuff. My mind is blown at how well they ported everything. I wonder if they'll tackle porting stages from other Sonic games.
Maybe but Sonic can't double jump or use Wisps...
ThatObviousUser
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BlazeHedgehog
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Once they figure out the formats for everything, more than likely.
But the only reason they're doing Sonic Unleashed ports right now is because it's the same engine. A lot of the data formats are similar that it's just a matter of cleaning up/converting the Unleashed stuff.
Porting over levels from Colors (or any other game) will probably require a lot more work. New lighting data will have to be generated, scripts for camera controls and such will probably have to be re-written, and a lot of level objects will probably have to be replaced.
The lighting data will probably be the hardest part. Baked Global Illumination lighting (as used by Hedgehog Engine, Unreal Engine 3, etc.) is massively processor intensive; most companies calculate GI lighting data using networked render farms (like the ones used to render Pixar movies), and going by what Sonic Team said, it took days to render GI for a single Sonic Unleashed level, and their render farm was apparently 100 PCs strong.
Since Sonic Colors doesn't use GI, new GI data will have to be generated if it's to be used in the Sonic Generations engine. That time may be reduced depending on the format; assuming Hedgehog Engine's GI data functions like a normal lightmap, you could skip full GI baking and just do more simple colored lighting (the kind Sonic Colors already uses), which would bring rendering times down to something more manageable.
If this is all going over your head, I'll explain it to the best of my knowledge, though the last time I did this I got yelled at for getting it wrong (even though I haven't actually seen any evidence since then to suggest I'm incorrect):
Starting with Half-Life or Quake 2 or so, the concept of "lightmaps" have been employed to apply lighting to a 3D environment. Imagine a 3D model with a transparent texture overlapped across it; this texture is black and white, and represents areas of light and areas of shadow, giving the 3D model the appearance of having lighting. Here's a comparison I found on Google Image Search that shows a scene progress through wireframe, textures, lightmapping, etc.
Hedgehog Engine's GI data is like a big lightmap, but the way the lightmap is created is far more complex; rather than simply having black-or-white shadows, Hedgehog Engine looks at all the colors in a scene and simulates light bouncing off of objects realistically. So, light shown on a blue surface will reflect blue light on surrounding objects. Here's an example given at the initial technology presentation. And here's an image showing the whole thing as rendered by Sonic Unleashed:
Games like Sonic Colors for the most part only render basic lighting, or use some other less-complex method of lighting.
tldr: Yeah probably, eventually.
ThatObviousUser
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I really wish Sega would go the UDK route with the Hedgehog Engine. Would love to mess around with it.
Professor Beef
Banned
I didn't know there was a bug. Is it rare? Because I was able to get Platinum no problem.
I've done the necessary requirements almost twice by now, still no trophy.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
I think the
That sucks. I didn't encounter this issue, but :/
<3Sciz said:
I love the amount of thought put into the soundtrack in general. We're no stranger to live orchestration in game soundtracks, but for a Sonic game in terms of instrumentals, it was very refreshing.
Hot Coldman
Banned
Beat the game. It's pretty great. Planet Wisp suffers from length issues- mainly the fact that your actions are being repeated too much too justify 8 minute stages- and both Egg Dragoon and Time Eater add to that to make for a slightly weak ending- but I was expecting that anyway, seeing as all nostalgia is gone by time you beat Rooftop Run Act 1. (Rooftop Run Act 2 is amazing, but it's not for reasons that have anything to do with memories of Unleashed- that game is too recent). But overall, it's a load of fun. The classic Sonic levels are close enough to the originals with enough of a splash of modern flash to excite and work, and the modern Sonic levels are twitchy 'you-are-awesome' things that aren't exactly deep, but hey, they work. The fanservice is spot on, with each game being portrayed pretty accurately (the Silver battle is a good showcase of how dumb its physics hoo-ha was, for instance), although the lack of levels from 3 or CD was a shame. Same for Rush, but at least that makes sense (fuck the 3DS version though, I both lack the console and the willingness to buy that shitty looking game).
Definitely not done with it- there's still Red Rings to grab and S-Ranks to earn. Plus Trophies and all that. Just thought I'd let Sonic-GAF know what I thought of it. I sit here writing this as the Silver white space theme blasts out of my telly- amazingly, yet another amazing thing to have come out of Sonic 06. 8/10
Definitely not done with it- there's still Red Rings to grab and S-Ranks to earn. Plus Trophies and all that. Just thought I'd let Sonic-GAF know what I thought of it. I sit here writing this as the Silver white space theme blasts out of my telly- amazingly, yet another amazing thing to have come out of Sonic 06. 8/10
Professor Beef
Banned
You're better off posting your times in this thread. A thread for time trials probably would be DOA.
BlazeHedgehog
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BlazeHedgehog
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One of the challenge missions gives it to you, I think.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Azure Dream
Member
Its a rooftop run mission. I remember it giving me trouble (granted it was 3 am when I played it)
what is this i don't even that's amazing
nintendoman58
Member
Part 9 of the let's play is up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEGtgmjBN8w&feature=channel_video_title
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEGtgmjBN8w&feature=channel_video_title