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antitrop · Apr 1, 2013

I don't know what Rent/Buy has to do with quality outside of enthusiast collectors.

This is one of the best games of the year, but you should rent it because it takes like 12 hours to beat, doesn't demand a replay, and the multiplayer is fun, but derivative and not really worth anyone's time.

Or buy on PC for the best experience, I pre-ordered it for $35 which I felt was acceptable.

RagnarokX · Apr 1, 2013

John Harker said:
It's a blockbuster action adventure game... They aren't suppose to be "challenging," they are suppose to be "thrilling experiences." That's the lay of the land these days, and what's selling. I'm pleased CD managed to sneak so many "game systems" into the experience, that's all I mean. So in that sense, it's better than I was expecting. If it is reward/challenge you're looking for, that's the indie scene these days.

That's a pretty pessimistic outlook. I don't think lowering my expectations, rolling over, and taking it is good for me or the industry; games are just going to stagnate if they keep homogenizing and getting less complex and creative. I had low expectations for this game based on what I had seen of it and it was still below them because I thought that despite all of the footage they'd shown there would be a decent amount of clever tombs/puzzles/platforming/exploration somewhere in the game. The Batman games came out this generation, were major blockbusters, and had ton more reward/challenge to its gameplay systems. Why would I give CD a pass if they couldn't even match the quality of a game they heavily borrowed from. It's like a very dumbed down Arkham Asylum. If games can't be good anymore because they are wasting most of their money on cinematics then maybe the industry needs to rethink priorities. You can still give a thrilling experience and have gameplay.

Malo · Apr 1, 2013

Just finished it, and it was a very good game, had tons of fun with it. Going to see if I can get 100% completion I beat it at 85%.

Ding-Ding · Apr 1, 2013

Just finished the game with 100%.

Really surprised as I was sceptical of this reboot and I got to say I really enjoyed it. The only thing I was disappointed with is there wasn't enough optional tombs and what there were, was a little on the small side.

The inclusion of a bow was a great idea and well executed. Beats the hell out of dual wielding pistols.

J.ceaz · Apr 1, 2013

Ding-Ding said:
Just finished the game with 100%.

Really surprised as I was sceptical of this reboot and I got to say I really enjoyed it. The only thing I was disappointed with is there wasn't enough optional tombs and what there were, was a little on the small side.

The inclusion of a bow was a great idea and well executed. Beats the hell out of dual wielding pistols.

The bow is great but I spent the whole game waiting to get that second pistol.

Dead · Apr 1, 2013

All the weapons are great. Especially when they are fully upgraded, its an utterly godly arsenal.

FUBAR McDangles · Apr 1, 2013

I rented this on redbox and have been playing on and off this weekend with my girlfriend. We both really enjoy it so far.

No spoilers please, but how much further do we have?

We just arrived at the ship the group is trying to fix up. After the gondola stuff.

Dead · Apr 1, 2013

FUBAR McDangles said:
I rented this on redbox and have been playing on and off this weekend with my girlfriend. We both really enjoy it so far.

No spoilers please, but how much further do we have?

We just arrived at the ship the group is trying to fix up. After the gondola stuff.

If I remember, thats about 65-70% I think?

Theres still a fair bit after that anyways.

FUBAR McDangles · Apr 1, 2013

Dead said:
If I remember, thats about 65-70% I think?

Theres still a fair bit after that anyways.

Okay thank you! I really appreciate it.

shaderhacker · Apr 1, 2013

Best in-game special FX I've seen to date. Nothing can beat the fire FX in this game. The fire looks so good and I love the particles! Better than Crysis 3!

aparisi2274 · Apr 1, 2013

I finished the game today with 100% completion!

It is my GOTY (so far), it's that good.

My only gripe is that the game suffers from

Uncharted Last Boss sucks

syndrome!

aparisi2274 · Apr 1, 2013

Ding-Ding said:
Just finished the game with 100%.

Really surprised as I was sceptical of this reboot and I got to say I really enjoyed it. The only thing I was disappointed with is there wasn't enough optional tombs and what there were, was a little on the small side.

The inclusion of a bow was a great idea and well executed. Beats the hell out of dual wielding pistols.

HA HA. I totally forgot that she used dual wielding pistols in the original games! Makes the

scene at the end where she kills Mathias with dual wielding pistols even more special, and then she looks at both of them after he is gone.

DaNcaKe · Apr 1, 2013

Completed the game earlier this week. I enjoyed it, but I can't help but feel that is a poor man's Uncharted.

I'm glad that they didn't have too many weapons involved, as they each feel like they have their own specific situation to be used in, unlike most games where it's pick your favourite gun and go.

Multiplayer is executed poorly IMO. No game in this day and age should launch without any sort of party system. It is a crime. There are more flaws than this but they are well documented throughout the thread!

thesolidshark · Apr 1, 2013

John Harker said:
It's a blockbuster action adventure game... They aren't suppose to be "challenging," they are suppose to be "thrilling experiences." That's the lay of the land these days, and what's selling. I'm pleased CD managed to sneak so many "game systems" into the experience, that's all I mean. So in that sense, it's better than I was expecting. If it is reward/challenge you're looking for, that's the indie scene these days.

The bolded I think greatly explains why so many have been recommending rental over buying, among a few other reasons.

Seriously, I know the answer, but I'll ask the question anyway - why can't a blockbuster action adventure game actually be challenging? I would think there are practical ways around these things in TR's case for example: optionally harder tombs, harder enemies, limited ammo, and different collectibles per difficulty level, etc.

leng jai · Apr 1, 2013

This game is so Uncharted it's not funny.

Dance Inferno · Apr 1, 2013

aparisi2274 said:
I finished the game today with 100% completion!

It is my GOTY (so far), it's that good.

My only gripe is that the game suffers from

Uncharted Last Boss sucks

syndrome!

Seriously? I thought it was very well done. Much better than anything Uncharted has been able to pull of at least.

Arklite · Apr 1, 2013

Ding-Ding said:
Just finished the game with 100%.

Really surprised as I was sceptical of this reboot and I got to say I really enjoyed it. The only thing I was disappointed with is there wasn't enough optional tombs and what there were, was a little on the small side.

Yeah I think those who liked the game are hoping for an increase in tombs, greater in complexity and challenge. It's a shame DLC is being focused on multiplayer maps instead of single player content.

Slightly unrelated note, been playing through Crystal Dynamic's previous three TR games and holy shit this camera. Feels like it steadily worsened from game to game and now I'm constantly wrestling with it in Underworld.

Skilletor · Apr 1, 2013

Arklite said:
Yeah I think those who liked the game are hoping for an increase in tombs, greater in complexity and challenge. It's a shame DLC is being focused on multiplayer maps instead of single player content.

Slightly unrelated note, been playing through Crystal Dynamic's previous three TR games and holy shit this camera. Feels like it steadily worsened from game to game and now I'm constantly wrestling with it in Underworld.

No, those who didn't care for the game want those things, too.

Fezan · Apr 1, 2013

leng jai said:
This game is so Uncharted it's not funny.

nope but its a good uncharted and i love uncharted so ill take more.My one complaint is that its not as thrilling as Uncharted.

Sissel · Apr 1, 2013

Replaying the game and still loving it. The opening hours flow so much better when you can skip the cutscenes. Top 10 games of the gen sure for me.

John Harker · Apr 1, 2013

thesolidshark said:
The bolded I think greatly explains why so many have been recommending rental over buying, among a few other reasons.

Seriously, I know the answer, but I'll ask the question anyway - why can't a blockbuster action adventure game actually be challenging? I would think there are practical ways around these things in TR's case for example: optionally harder tombs, harder enemies, limited ammo, and different collectibles per difficulty level, etc.

Because blockbuster games cost so much more money to make than they ever have, and this is what sells for the best returns!

Skilletor · Apr 1, 2013

John Harker said:
Because blockbuster games cost so much more money to make than they ever have, and this is what sells for the best returns!

Not according to SE.

John Harker · Apr 1, 2013

Skilletor said:
Not according to SE.

I can't be mad, they are the only ones putting women front and center without any men around them... Both with Lara and Lightening. Hey, its something... I guess

Fine Ham Abounds · Apr 1, 2013

John Harker said:
I can't be mad, they are the only ones putting women front and center without any men around them... Both with Lara and Lightening. Hey, its something... I guess

Well, a lynch mob could put them front and center too. I'm not sure how fantastic either are for representing female protagonists.

Old Lara and new Lara are both cartoon characters, old Lara was exploitative but confident, new Lara is exploitative but desperate. Both spend a lot of time killing their competition. I won't bother wasting the time trying to analyze which is better or worse for the plight of female leads, it seems as fruitful as analyzing whether Bugs Bunny or Scrooge McDuck better represent males.

I can't comment on Lightning because I haven't played any game with her in it yet.

Personally, when I think good female protagonists, I think Jade from BG&E.

Ravensmash · Apr 1, 2013

RagnarokX said:
You... uh... might want to hold off on making that assessment.

Nah, I think it does a very good job with the combat, throughout the entirety of the game.

Panajev2001a · Apr 1, 2013

Fine Ham Abounds said:
Well, a lynch mob could put them front and center too. I'm not sure how fantastic either are for representing female protagonists.

Old Lara and new Lara are both cartoon characters, old Lara was exploitative but confident, new Lara is exploitative but desperate. Both spend a lot of time killing their competition. I won't bother wasting the time trying to analyze which is better or worse for the plight of female leads, it seems as fruitful as analyzing whether Bugs Bunny or Scrooge McDuck better represent males.

I can't comment on Lightning because I haven't played any game with her in it yet.

Personally, when I think good female protagonists, I think Jade from BG&E.

Both Scrooge McDuck and Donald are quite well developed characters, at least if you consider how they are portrayed in Don Rosa's stories

.

Fine Ham Abounds · Apr 1, 2013

Panajev2001a said:
Both Scrooge McDuck and Donald are quite well developed characters, at least if you consider how they are portrayed in Don Rosa's stories .

You're right of course. My experience with Scrooge is limited mostly to the Christmas Carol and Ducktales, but even in Ducktales he's more fleshed out than either Lara.

I think new Lara is more like Taz.

Skilletor · Apr 1, 2013

Fine Ham Abounds said:
You're right of course. My experience with Scrooge is limited mostly to the Christmas Carol and Ducktales, but even in Ducktales he's more fleshed out than either Lara.

I think new Lara is more like Taz.

I laughed out loud.

kuroshiki · Apr 1, 2013

RagnarokX said:
You... uh... might want to hold off on making that assessment.

Besides shanty town, I think enemies are really well placed, and their numbers are well balanced. doesn't seem that random. Combat and pacing is definitely better than uncharted.

John Harker · Apr 1, 2013

Fine Ham Abounds said:
Well, a lynch mob could put them front and center too. I'm not sure how fantastic either are for representing female protagonists.

Old Lara and new Lara are both cartoon characters, old Lara was exploitative but confident, new Lara is exploitative but desperate. Both spend a lot of time killing their competition. I won't bother wasting the time trying to analyze which is better or worse for the plight of female leads, it seems as fruitful as analyzing whether Bugs Bunny or Scrooge McDuck better represent males.

I can't comment on Lightning because I haven't played any game with her in it yet.

Personally, when I think good female protagonists, I think Jade from BG&E.

I mean more on the marketing side... at least they put women on the front and center of their campaign. Even MS wussed out with Judgement and only put Baird on the cover front and center, and shifted Cole to some small image in the back.

Is it negatively affecting sales? Hell, it may. But at least SE is doing it!

Fine Ham Abounds · Apr 1, 2013

John Harker said:
I mean more on the marketing side... at least they put women on the front and center of their campaign. Even MS wussed out with Judgement and only put Baird on the cover front and center, and shifted Cole to some small image in the back.

Is it negatively affecting sales? Hell, it may. But at least SE is doing it!

Oh, yeah, I can't comment on that, I'm simply not informed enough on how that sort of thing effects sales. It's a shame that it probably does, but I think TR sold quite well, like 3.4 million.

TheFLYINGManga_Ka · Apr 1, 2013

Tried out the multiplayer on the ps3. Is the framerate this bad? Is the 360 similar?

It's kind of hard to aim. It's still enjoyable but it kind of hurts my eyes.

RagnarokX · Apr 1, 2013

John Harker said:
I can't be mad, they are the only ones putting women front and center without any men around them... Both with Lara and Lightening. Hey, its something... I guess

What...? Old Lara went solo. This game surrounded her with guys

sacrificing their lives in stupid ways to keep her alive

.

John Harker · Apr 1, 2013

RagnarokX said:
What...? Old Lara went solo. This game surrounded her with guys

sacrificing their lives in stupid ways to keep her alive

.

not sure what you mean? there isn't a single male character on the keyart

Sissel · Apr 2, 2013

Fine Ham Abounds said:
Well, a lynch mob could put them front and center too. I'm not sure how fantastic either are for representing female protagonists.

Old Lara and new Lara are both cartoon characters, old Lara was exploitative but confident, new Lara is exploitative but desperate. Both spend a lot of time killing their competition. I won't bother wasting the time trying to analyze which is better or worse for the plight of female leads, it seems as fruitful as analyzing whether Bugs Bunny or Scrooge McDuck better represent males.

I can't comment on Lightning because I haven't played any game with her in it yet.

Personally, when I think good female protagonists, I think Jade from BG&E.

The new Lara is much more interesting a character, it's not even close. Old Lara was annoying in how over confident she was while throwing around corny one liners.

ubersticky · Apr 2, 2013

Tomb Raider DLC: new map pack released, others dated
Weapons packs and multiplayer characters also unlocked on PS3 and PC

Square Enix has released new Tomb Raider DLC in the form of a fresh multiplayer map pack, while dating more upcoming game add-ons.

The 1939 multiplayer map pack is out now on Xbox 360, PS3 and PC, the publisher said today.

Meanwhile, the previously Xbox 360 exclusive Caves and Cliffs multiplayer map pack will be released on PS3 and PC in mid-April, and the Shipwrecked multiplayer map pack will hit all three platforms in early May. Details of each release follow the new multiplayer trailer below.

Additionally, all launch exclusive Tomb Raider DLC is now available on PS3 and Steam. It features a range of weapons packs and multiplayer characters.

1939 multiplayer map pack

- Dogfight: Dating back to the World War II experiments conducted on the island, this bunker is a deadly maze of brick and mortar that could easily become a tomb.
- Forest Meadow: This forest meadow is a hunting ground, filled with open spaces that can be advantageous and dangerous at the same time. Who is the hunter and who is the hunted?

Shipwrecked multiplayer map pack

- Lost Fleet: A massive beached ship serves as a dangerous battleground filled with twists, turns, and traps.
- Himiko's Cradle: Danger lurks around every corner in this mountain top shrine. The area is sacred to the scavengers and will be your final resting place if you are not careful.

Caves and Cliffs multiplayer map pack

- Scavenger Caverns: A massive network of caves used by the scavengers as a prison area.
- Cliff Shantytown: This settlement was built high in the island cliffs. Its many layers hide some of the deadliest traps on the island.
- The Burning Village: A fire has erupted in an abandoned Japanese village. The burning buildings offer multiple ways to escape your enemies, but enter them at your own peril.

Source

metareferential · Apr 2, 2013

Finished the game yesterday. The ending is beyond stupid, but I really liked the game.

It's a visual marvel, and in 3D it's amazing. A very good alternative to Uncharted, even though it lacks the charm some of the characters in Naughty Dog's franchise have.

One of the highlight of the year for sure. I still miss the original gameplay, though.

TheFLYINGManga_Ka · Apr 2, 2013

It may lack the charm of Uncharted's characters but I think Lara's characterization and her development is much stronger and well done.

Also multiplayer is pretty fun. It's not better than Uncharted but still fun. It was hard to get used to at first but once in clicks it's not bad. Those new maps will round it out more and make it a solid experience. My only worry is if people will buy it.

iNvid02 · Apr 2, 2013

how long do i have left to go?

alex just sacrificed himself and im in the endurance with those tools

just not that into it anymore, wanna start bioshock but if there is not long to go i might as well protect lara a little longer

Superflat · Apr 2, 2013

iNvid02 said:
how long do i have left to go?

alex just sacrificed himself and im in the endurance with those tools

You're about 3/4 of the way done

iNvid02 · Apr 2, 2013

Superflat said:
You're about 3/4 of the way done

ok thanks man

just a little longer and then its time to get off this dreary shithole and skyward unto columbia

TheFLYINGManga_Ka · Apr 3, 2013

To those who beat it: how much do I have left?

At Geothermal caves after river of blood.

Thanks.

DukeBobby · Apr 3, 2013

TheFLYINGManga_Ka said:
To those who beat it: how much do I have left?

At Geothermal caves after river of blood.

Thanks.

You're a little over halfway.

TheFLYINGManga_Ka · Apr 3, 2013

DukeBobby said:
You're a little over halfway.

Great. Thanks.

it's a pretty long game, which I'm happy about.

Linius · Apr 3, 2013

Finished it today. It was a fun game but now it's time to vacuum ghosts and live in a floating city. Don't feel like collecting all those gps cashes, relics etc.

ak1976 · Apr 3, 2013

Linius said:
Finished it today. It was a fun game but now it's time to vacuum ghosts and live in a floating city. Don't feel like collecting all those gps cashes, relics etc.

I'm on the same boat, gotta beat dead space 3, then tomb raider and then I can go to bio and luigi...How was the single player campaign?

teruterubozu · Apr 4, 2013

Linius said:
Finished it today. It was a fun game but now it's time to vacuum ghosts and live in a floating city. Don't feel like collecting all those gps cashes, relics etc.

Yeah, not worth it really. I got up to 94% and lost interest - it's more of a standard fetch quest than true "secret finding". In fact, revisiting the areas takes the magic out the game - you notice how rather simplistic the levels really are without all the dynamic cut scenes and enemies.

Rhazer Fusion · Apr 4, 2013

Just got the game and I think it is amazing. I might even like it better than the great Uncharted games even though I am only 24% in. There is something about the world and setting that grabs and captivates me. It's almost like the character is alive and I can feel Lara's pain and emotions. Good stuff. So far, I am really enjoying it.

Ricker · Apr 4, 2013

Finally got all the documents,GPS cache etc but I didnt get the 50 point achievement that goes with it on the 360...is this a know glitch?

Ce-Lin · Apr 4, 2013

great game, specially the PC version with Tress FX and all that jazz enabled, will be in my top 10 for sure. Uncharted games are on a ligue of their own though.

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