ElBoxyBrown
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I wouldn't downplay Forza. It's IP is more valuable than Halo and Gears.
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"How Forza overtook Need for Speed to become the world's biggest racing IP"
- Thread starter Theorry
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I wouldn't downplay Forza. It's IP is more valuable than Halo and Gears.
Then the assertion that the racing genre hasn't contracted is false if the best selling series can only manage 2.5 million in sales in a single entry.
And it's not as if Forza sales have increased dramatically if at all. The other series have simply stopped releasing at a consistent rate.
I guess I don't get the point of the headline. It's one thing to talk about NFS if Forza sales shot up and surpassed it but it seems more that NFS simply slowed down.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
While growing sales for Forza is awesome the title of the article is a general assertion when Gran turismo and Mario kart have more casual acknowledgement.
They actually don't need to disqualify Mario Kart for being a kart racer.
The current generation consists of the PS4, XB1, and Switch, as this article was published in March.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
So should we count MK when deluxe comes out?
Anyway Horizon is the best racing series out for current gen by far so deserved for the increasing sales.
hanspampel
Banned
correct
sure, but they also did not write biggest IP in terms of lifetime sales.
so the titel is not incorrect.
why not assume the obvious one they meant, that is correct, when there is space for interpretation?
even including Wii U and MK8 at 8.26m units sold this should be fine
Forza Motorsport 5, 6 (and Apex)
Forza Horizon 2, 3 (and Fast & Furious)
plenty of games, to sell a lot of units.
especially all those bundle copies and cheap sales after years
LegendofLex
Member
Does it?
Wii U was Nintendo's console last generation. 3DS was Nintendo's handheld last generation. Switch is a clean break from both, so wouldn't it be the start of a new generation?
LegendofDragoonLives
Member
GT and Kart are far bigger than Forza. One of their new games will sell what 4-5 different Forzas will sell in.. 4-5 years.
You're not going to make it far in PR at this rate.
Ok. Can you quote the part of the article that said that?
airmangataosenai
Member
People always say Forza surpassed this or that franchise without providing hard numbers to prove it most of the time. I am pretty sure the last NFS did over 2.5 million.
CrimsonGun
Member
Maybe I should rephrase my statement since people are getting confused for some reason. The Mario Kart franchise is not developed for the racing game enthusiast. Meanwhile Turn 10 goes through great lengths to try and make racing as realistic as possible (especially in their motorsports series).
Aside from the fact that both games are in the same genre, they operate in totally different realms.
It would be like comparing ultra sf4 to Dive Kick.
Why do you need numbers. This is coming straight from Microsofts mouth when they put out PR. They aren't lying when they make a statement like best selling racer this gen.
Lying about stuff like that is a very big deal and I don't remember seeing any asterisks
Exactly
Mass Effect
Member
Hey man, Most Wanted (2005) and Hot Pursuit (2010) were great.
Everything after HP 2010? Eh...
Mario Kart and Gran Turismo are infinitely bigger.
It's just that they don't release a new game in the series every half a year.
No, but it's a meaningless statement. PR fluff.
It's just that they don't release a new game in the series every half a year.
No, but it's a meaningless statement. PR fluff.
pixelation
Member
Terrible thread title, and Forza ain't bigger than GT (certainly not sales wise speaking).
This quote is a peach and describes the virtue of Turn 10 and Polyphony Digital:
We should all now agree both developers have there own motivations for creative direction and content. Different priorities for different spaces.
- the article refers to the franchise as a $1bn business
- you cite a metric yet you said it's discussion is metric dependent
- Gran Turismo hasn't even launched this generation yet (fair comparison?)
- no matter what...Gran Turismo hit the $1bn club years ago
Sorry. Just observation fella.
We should all now agree both developers have there own motivations for creative direction and content. Different priorities for different spaces.
Well...that's not really fair for four reasons:
- the article refers to the franchise as a $1bn business
- you cite a metric yet you said it's discussion is metric dependent
- Gran Turismo hasn't even launched this generation yet (fair comparison?)
- no matter what...Gran Turismo hit the $1bn club years ago
Sorry. Just observation fella.
In the particular context of Forza v Need for Speed, it feels as valid to say that Need for Speed has gone backwards as to say that Forza has gone forward. Even so, Forza Horizon 3 is an impressive game, though, given how good the original game is, it shouldn't be that surprising. I still find the level of praise Forza Horizon 3 receives a little hard to understand, though. The game just feels so confused to me, a weird mixture of simulation and arcade that doesn't satisfy me as someone who tends to enjoy pretty much all racing games from the most hardcore to the most arcade. The game's size is kind of the most impressive thing. There's tons to do, there tons of cars, and the world is large and beautiful. The driving model works well too, but something just doesn't feel right when it comes to the races and events you do, whether in single player or multiplayer. I just don't find racing in this game exciting, and the fact it has been so well received concerns me for the future of arcade racing games.
SolarMystic
Member
Despite GT selling better, I could see the argument for Forza being the biggest name in racing from an industry viewpoint.
GT hasn't pushed the genre forward since GT4 and has been a stumbling mess of mis-management ever since.
GT hasn't pushed the genre forward since GT4 and has been a stumbling mess of mis-management ever since.
Thats a bit like calling Final Fantasy the biggest RPG IP because Pokemon is not yet on Switch.
KawabataSan
Member
Don't be silly. Why would anyone do that when they could just read the title and complain about that instead.
Thanks for being a great poster, Theorry. I always look forward to reading your posts and threads.
UnemployedVillain
Member
So basically if this had been written 2.5 weeks ago the headline would've been completely different?
Castef
Banned
READING????
Thanks.
My fault with the thread title maybe. If i can i always put down the title of the article. Seems most fair to the source. Guess this one is maybe abit iffy i see now. Guess i dont really follow the numbers, wich is bigger etc. If a mod wants to change it. Its fine by me.
NathanDiego
Member
Now fixed
Forza is fantastic, but the real story is how badly EA has dropped the ball.
Did they put biggest in quotes?
I mean it's been the most prolific this gen but objectively unless we're getting into weasel criteria this is wrong.
Mario Kart is clearly a bigger IP and while it's been absent since GT6 Gran Turismo is a bigger IP.
They seem more, they're more known and they'll overtake and gains Forza has made with multiple lower selling entries each time they land a big title.
This is a PR centric article. There's some good stuff there too and the games are very good but this is just setting the franchise up for valid "oh no it isn't" complaints regarding the title and hook.
Oh well game media gotta have the click bait title I guess.
I mean it's been the most prolific this gen but objectively unless we're getting into weasel criteria this is wrong.
Mario Kart is clearly a bigger IP and while it's been absent since GT6 Gran Turismo is a bigger IP.
They seem more, they're more known and they'll overtake and gains Forza has made with multiple lower selling entries each time they land a big title.
This is a PR centric article. There's some good stuff there too and the games are very good but this is just setting the franchise up for valid "oh no it isn't" complaints regarding the title and hook.
Oh well game media gotta have the click bait title I guess.
Bits N Pieces
Member
Who is the 'biggest' football team in the world?
Man Utd
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Juventus
What do you base the 'biggest' on? Date they were founded, number of trophies, average attendance, number of shirts sold, world wide reach, turnover of revenue, profits etc.
To be fair, its a mature of all of the above and much like Forza is selling the most, receiving the best scores, being one of the most played racers, having its own eSports gig etc I think the title is more than justified.
But, its a thread that puts an Xbox game against its peers and also brings the series' sales 'partly' into the discussion so of course it was going to turn into a shit show of a thread.
As for the article itself there were lots of neat insights into how T10 and Playground work and collaborate together, so it was a great read.
Thanks for posting it OP
Man Utd
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Juventus
What do you base the 'biggest' on? Date they were founded, number of trophies, average attendance, number of shirts sold, world wide reach, turnover of revenue, profits etc.
To be fair, its a mature of all of the above and much like Forza is selling the most, receiving the best scores, being one of the most played racers, having its own eSports gig etc I think the title is more than justified.
But, its a thread that puts an Xbox game against its peers and also brings the series' sales 'partly' into the discussion so of course it was going to turn into a shit show of a thread.
As for the article itself there were lots of neat insights into how T10 and Playground work and collaborate together, so it was a great read.
Thanks for posting it OP
TheDangerMan
Member
Who is the 'biggest' football team in the world?
Man Utd
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Juventus
What do you base the 'biggest' on? Date they were founded, number of trophies, average attendance, number of shirts sold, world wide reach, turnover of revenue, profits etc.
To be fair, its a mature of all of the above and much like Forza is selling the most, receiving the best scores, being one of the most played racers, having its own eSports gig etc I think the title is more than justified.
But, its a thread that puts an Xbox game against its peers and also brings the series' sales 'partly' into the discussion so of course it was going to turn into a shit show of a thread.
As for the article itself there were lots of neat insights into how T10 and Playground work and collaborate together, so it was a great read.
Thanks for posting it OP
As it relates to this thread I'd go off the monetary value of the club, so Real Madrid.
therealbigrich
Member
Without clarification into what they mean by biggest racer the article was not going to get the results it wanted .
They did. But some cars were given a unrealistic amount of gears.
hanspampel
Banned
Who is the 'biggest' football team in the world?
Man Utd
Real Madrid
Barcelona
Bayern Munich
Juventus
What do you base the 'biggest' on? Date they were founded, number of trophies, average attendance, number of shirts sold, world wide reach, turnover of revenue, profits etc.
To be fair, its a mature of all of the above and much like Forza is selling the most, receiving the best scores, being one of the most played racers, having its own eSports gig etc I think the title is more than justified.
But, its a thread that puts an Xbox game against its peers and also brings the series' sales 'partly' into the discussion so of course it was going to turn into a shit show of a thread.
As for the article itself there were lots of neat insights into how T10 and Playground work and collaborate together, so it was a great read.
Thanks for posting it OP
thanks so much for this post
but why did you put Juventus in there, they're not the biggest in any category
Lol at juventus
MindGamingMantis
Banned
Mario Kart > Gran Turismo > Forza
No, they disrespected Nintendo-senpai!!!!
Forza has been king of racers for years. T10's stumble with Forza 5 aside, the Motorsport and the now frankly incredible Horizon series makes them the biggest racing outfit in videogames as far as quality is concerned.
It remains to be seen if GT Sport can dethrone Forza in terms of critical reception. In terms of sales it will obviously dominate with ease.
It remains to be seen if GT Sport can dethrone Forza in terms of critical reception. In terms of sales it will obviously dominate with ease.
IncognitoPanda
Member
Forza hasn't beaten any sales records or even been around as long, but it is easily the most prominent racing franchise out there right now. Yearly releases, like it or not makes sure it's always fresh in people's memory, and the biennial release cycle between Motorsport and Horizon has helped out a good deal.
Especially Horizon has revitalized both the franchise and genre, imo. Horizon 3 winning a lot of Racer of the year awards. I don't even play the franchise that much, but it is the only one out of Halo/Gears/Forza that is still pushing forward instead of simply growing stale.
If I think of a racing game now, Forza is the first one to come to mind, not even MK or GT. Hell, GT has been MIA for a while (although I'm sure the next installment will move a plenty amount of copies, as with all the other ones)
Especially Horizon has revitalized both the franchise and genre, imo. Horizon 3 winning a lot of Racer of the year awards. I don't even play the franchise that much, but it is the only one out of Halo/Gears/Forza that is still pushing forward instead of simply growing stale.
If I think of a racing game now, Forza is the first one to come to mind, not even MK or GT. Hell, GT has been MIA for a while (although I'm sure the next installment will move a plenty amount of copies, as with all the other ones)
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
In terms of pure sales numbers, is Gran Turismo not technically the biggest?
I think Forza has set a quality bar Gran Turismo has yet to match as an IP overall, but in terms of sales, I though GT was still bigger.
I mean Turn 10 are consistently pumping out a high quality iteration every 2 years like clockwork, while Polyphony take...however many years? To put out a bare bones, just very ok game?
I think Forza has set a quality bar Gran Turismo has yet to match as an IP overall, but in terms of sales, I though GT was still bigger.
I mean Turn 10 are consistently pumping out a high quality iteration every 2 years like clockwork, while Polyphony take...however many years? To put out a bare bones, just very ok game?
I assure you, I read the article. The title of the article is implies that they might mention what being the "world's biggest racing IP" implies, but it doesn't.
The closest it comes is this quote:
klabautermann
Member
Bring Initial D games back.
There are and they're not bad but they don't really relate to the stupid title which is what's causing the issue.
Maybe if the article had an actual title that made sense for it's content this wouldn't happen.