Graphics Horse
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BMF said:
Oh wow, I'd forgotten it didn't have one of those bundled from the off. At least the days of systems which don't come with any means of saving are mostly behind us, I think they're still doing that with the PSP?
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Project Cafe Rumor Cafe [Weinerpoop Post 7513]
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Oh wow, I'd forgotten it didn't have one of those bundled from the off. At least the days of systems which don't come with any means of saving are mostly behind us, I think they're still doing that with the PSP?
Grampa Simpson
Banned
In the transition from XBOX1 to XBOX360 MS dropped the hard drive. Not including any sort of save memory with the system was a mistake, but dropping the hard drive helped them drop $45 build cost from every system when not all users were using it.Amir0x said:
I expect that the Next XBox will include some sort of save memory, but forgo the expensive hard drive except as an option that's packed in with a certain percentage of SKUs. Whether that percentage is 30% or 80% or somewhere in between is the real question.
herzogzwei1989 said:
I don't even want to know. It would just blow my mind. I could talk all day about the features they could throw into a properly-done next gen Zelda game.
They could take the Cel-shaded route out, or go with a retro-themed top-down game like Four Swords (which they've already hinted at was being made?) out and they wouldn't have to worry about the pressure of next-gen detail. They really need something to showcase the power of a next-gen console, and Zelda would be the series to do it with. I don't care if they maintain Wii-level Mario games, but if Zelda doesn't jump up a notch I'm going to be pretty disappointed.
guek said:
Why do you keep discussing DLC? I've literally never even mentioned it in any of my arguments until you brought it up in the last few posts
Nintendo could only have a respectable marketplace if they do not have an obscene restriction in place from day one like developers only being able to depend on 8GB of space and then whatever SD cards consumers have on hand. In this regard, it's related to the issue of not having only a tiny amount of flash memory on board. They need at least 32 gigs of whatever they decide to go with in every system, whether it's a HDD or flash memory.
guek said:
There is no way Cafe will be advanced enough to avoid texture pop-in, particularly in genres like open world games. I have a ridiculously high end PC that is probably superior to whatever Nintendo is planning on putting out to a factor of eight to one.
That said, there are ways to reduce it and install to HDD is one. Along with the loading benefits, I'd say it is the type of thing that even if a majority of people didn't know it existed or even cared, it's worth doing since it makes objectively superior gaming experiences and that is what should be designed toward: the ideal of gaming, not the ideal of the ignorant masses. And that may sound harsh, but that's the general argument. The majority might not use something, therefore it makes sense to cut that option out or simply not have it to begin with. As if popularity is what should dictate system design rather than the most idealized representation of a headache-free platform you can humanly make... we all know what popularity nets us. it nets us people liking TRANSFORMERS so much that we get three of those films
The point here is simply Nintendo should be designing the system based on what makes games better, no matter how many people realize the system is making life better for them. Ignorance is not something that should be designed toward.
guek said:
Including an 8GB flash memory is almost certainly as cheap as including a 60GB HDD. So even that argument is empty. If they're going to do it, they might as well go all in and not limit developers and consumers.
guek said:
Even Sony released similarly impressive statistics (this was when PSN surpassed XBL for registered users):
[url=http://www.gamepro.com/article/news/209009/20-million-registered-psn-accounts-exceed-xbox-live-accounts/]Sony Press Release[/url] said:
Way back in the day, so it's improved since then. Considering the PS3 userbase, this ends up being a big percentage of users who purchase downloadable content of some kind when you do the math and break down costs.
Either way, I'd say it is clear downloadable games and content is important to a massive section of gamers, even if it's not quite the majority. Certainly important enough to start making sure a system is designed around the convenience of it.
Grampa Simpson
Banned
Where can you find 4,000,000 60GB Hard Drives at $11 a unit?Amir0x said:
There's a floor to the cost of a hard drive - even in bulk - and it's somewhere between $30 and $45.
That said, I'm pretty sure that manufacturing has all but ceased on 120gig drives.
Graphics Horse
Member
Amir0x said:
Does anyone even make 60GB HDDs anymore? I got the impression it wasn't cost efficient.
The price doesn't scale linearly like flash cards *almost* do, there's just too many materials involved. $8 will buy you an 8GB retail flash stick from Amazon.
herzogzwei1989 said:
i want a zelda that most resembles its concept art. so more tww/ss, less oot/tp.
i'm sure we're going to see at least one awesome realistic-yet-stylish action-adventure on the thing (at this rate it'll probably be beyond good & evil 2 sometime in 2017). however, i think the amount of cel-shaded stuff we'll see will start to slip since people don't have to mask the look of their games anymore to hide the power of the system.
Amir0x said:
well developers have even less of a reason to now that the wii is dead. i suppose it will continue on handhelds, perhaps.
we've never really had a game world that looks like you're playing an actual cartoon. although ni no kuni looks like it's getting pretty close.
or imagine a metroid prime remake in the style of the original concept art with improved level design and controls.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Darryl said:
I think next-gen Cafe Mario will resemble Galaxy in graphics, just taken to a whole new level. As for Zelda, they've got to make it look mind-blowing with all the rich detail that are in modern western RPGs like Syrim and Witcher 2. I'm probably one of the few that wouldn't mind another OoT/TP game, only with modern graphics.
From The Dust
Banned
AniHawk said:
AceBandage
Banned
Please, no realistic Zelda.
Make it as wacky and crazy as possible.
Make it as wacky and crazy as possible.
A personal acquaintance of mine sent me this list, saying it came from a source close to Nintendo. It's probably fake, but I figured I'd share anyway:
--First Party--
::Launch Games::
Extreme Sports Cafe ("New" IP, Combines 1080 and Wave Race + Other Sports)
Pikmin Cafe (Interfaces with Pikmin 3DS)
Endless Ocean Cafe
Nintendogs Cafe Kennel (Interfaces with Nintendogs + Cats)
Mii Explore (New IP, Multiplayer Adventure Game)
::Launch Window::
Kirby's Epic Yarn 2 (Launch Window, Multiplayer)
Wario Ware Cafe (Launch - Launch Window?)
::Future Games::
Super Mario Cafe (Late 2012/Early 2013, Paradigm Shift ala SM64)
Legend of Paper Zelda (Mid 2012, Paper Mario version of SNES Zelda)
Fire Emblem Cafe (Late 2012)
Retro Studios IP (Late 2012, New IP)
Project Sora IP (New IP)
Monolith Soft RPG (New IP)
Miyamoto Game (New IP)
--Third Party--
::Launch Games::
Battlefield 3 (Extra Content)
Street Fighter X Tekken (Timed Exclusive)
SSX
Super Monkey Ball Cafe
Tony Hawk Cafe
Ridge Racer Cafe
Mass Effect 3 (Possibly with ME 1 + 2?)
InVersion
Dragons Dogma
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Future Soldier
Metal Gear Solid: Rising (Extra Content)
Silent Hill: Downpour (Extra Content)
PES 2013 Cafe (Timed Exclusive)
Trauma Center Cafe
::Launch Window::
Modern Warfare 3
Grand Theft Auto V (Launch?, Timed Exclusive)
Dead Space Spin Off
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Cafe
Soul Caliber V (Extra Content)
::Future Games::
Sonic Cafe (Sonic Generations?)
Platinum Games IP (Bayonetta 2?)
Phantasty Star Online 2 (Late 2012?)
SEGA Game (???)
The Amazing Spider-Man: The Game
Rockstar Game (New IP?)
BioShock Infinite (Timed Exclusive)
Red Steel III
Beyond Good & Evil 2
Doom 4
Madden 2013 (Timed Exclusive)
Tiger Woods 13
Fight Night Cafe
Need for Speed Cafe
Level-5 Game (New IP)
Kingdom Hearts Cafe (Possibly KH3)
Square Enix Game (New IP)
Square Enix Game (???)
Grasshopper Game (New IP or No More Heroes 3)
Valve Game (Possibly a collection set + new game?)
Epic Games (New IP, Bulletstorm 2 or New Gears of War Trilogy exclusive to Cafe)
Once again, I can't confirm the validity of this information, but I figured it may be worth discussing, on the off chance that it's real.
--First Party--
::Launch Games::
Extreme Sports Cafe ("New" IP, Combines 1080 and Wave Race + Other Sports)
Pikmin Cafe (Interfaces with Pikmin 3DS)
Endless Ocean Cafe
Nintendogs Cafe Kennel (Interfaces with Nintendogs + Cats)
Mii Explore (New IP, Multiplayer Adventure Game)
::Launch Window::
Kirby's Epic Yarn 2 (Launch Window, Multiplayer)
Wario Ware Cafe (Launch - Launch Window?)
::Future Games::
Super Mario Cafe (Late 2012/Early 2013, Paradigm Shift ala SM64)
Legend of Paper Zelda (Mid 2012, Paper Mario version of SNES Zelda)
Fire Emblem Cafe (Late 2012)
Retro Studios IP (Late 2012, New IP)
Project Sora IP (New IP)
Monolith Soft RPG (New IP)
Miyamoto Game (New IP)
--Third Party--
::Launch Games::
Battlefield 3 (Extra Content)
Street Fighter X Tekken (Timed Exclusive)
SSX
Super Monkey Ball Cafe
Tony Hawk Cafe
Ridge Racer Cafe
Mass Effect 3 (Possibly with ME 1 + 2?)
InVersion
Dragons Dogma
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Future Soldier
Metal Gear Solid: Rising (Extra Content)
Silent Hill: Downpour (Extra Content)
PES 2013 Cafe (Timed Exclusive)
Trauma Center Cafe
::Launch Window::
Modern Warfare 3
Grand Theft Auto V (Launch?, Timed Exclusive)
Dead Space Spin Off
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles Cafe
Soul Caliber V (Extra Content)
::Future Games::
Sonic Cafe (Sonic Generations?)
Platinum Games IP (Bayonetta 2?)
Phantasty Star Online 2 (Late 2012?)
SEGA Game (???)
The Amazing Spider-Man: The Game
Rockstar Game (New IP?)
BioShock Infinite (Timed Exclusive)
Red Steel III
Beyond Good & Evil 2
Doom 4
Madden 2013 (Timed Exclusive)
Tiger Woods 13
Fight Night Cafe
Need for Speed Cafe
Level-5 Game (New IP)
Kingdom Hearts Cafe (Possibly KH3)
Square Enix Game (New IP)
Square Enix Game (???)
Grasshopper Game (New IP or No More Heroes 3)
Valve Game (Possibly a collection set + new game?)
Epic Games (New IP, Bulletstorm 2 or New Gears of War Trilogy exclusive to Cafe)
Once again, I can't confirm the validity of this information, but I figured it may be worth discussing, on the off chance that it's real.
AceBandage
Banned
Paper Zelda?
Yeah... too good to be true.
Yeah... too good to be true.
wonderfuldays
Member
Paper Mario version of SNES Zelda, DO WANT.
EricDiesel
Member
Most of my favorite characters of the series are from Wind Waker and Majora's Mask. I can't say I want it to turn into some Lord of the Rings clone. I don't know why people still clamor for a blood filled adult Zelda. Doesn't sound fun to me.AceBandage said:
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Zelda does not have to be realistic at all, it can be pure fantasy. Even Twilight Princess has cel-shading in it. I want another one, but in HD. I didn't like Wind Waker that much. Not because it was cel-shaded, but because of the art-direction, and lack of dungeons. If that makes any sense. I loved Twilight Princess more than any other Zelda game.
AceBandage
Banned
I doubt even NoA has a full list of what they'll show at E3 yet.Metallix said:
I highly doubt any single employee could possibly know that much information and be able to leak it.
On the other hand, Paper Zelda would be pretty cool. I really hope they give us something better than that, though. I would like a revisioned SNES Zelda, but Paper? That's kinda cheap. There are also way too many new IPs on there. 4 in house developers all working on something new? No way. I'd be surprised if we got one at launch. That's so risky.
I hope all of the third party games are true, but I seriously hope Nintendo has this better planned than that.
On the other hand, Paper Zelda would be pretty cool. I really hope they give us something better than that, though. I would like a revisioned SNES Zelda, but Paper? That's kinda cheap. There are also way too many new IPs on there. 4 in house developers all working on something new? No way. I'd be surprised if we got one at launch. That's so risky.
I hope all of the third party games are true, but I seriously hope Nintendo has this better planned than that.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Not gonna happen, and neither will this game be announced at Nintendo's conference. But (!) the chances we get a Cafe Edition are prety good.
AceBandage
Banned
I dunno, NMH3 being shown would pretty much destroy any thing I could hope would be there.
Graphics Horse
Member
I made it quite far, up to BG&Evil2 .
Nothing crazy there in terms of plausible speculation, but COD not listed as launch is strange, that's due this Winter surely?
Actually the more I look the more absurd it seems in terms of volume.
.Nothing crazy there in terms of plausible speculation, but COD not listed as launch is strange, that's due this Winter surely?
Actually the more I look the more absurd it seems in terms of volume.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
Yeah, doubtfulMetallix said:
goldenpp72
Member
nothing on cafe will be 'timed exclusive', especially shit like bioshock or grand theft auto.. lol
shadyspace
Banned
The 3rd party stuff sounding way better than the 1st party stuff is what sets my bullshit meter off.
Black-Wind
Member
Metallix said:
Makes me WANT this to be true.
But there are FAR too much awesome for this to be true.
Knux-Future
Banned
I hate those types of list because my inner fanboy gets all happy but my inner realist know that shit is fake.
Paper Zelda is pimp and needs to happen yesterday, tho.
Paper Zelda is pimp and needs to happen yesterday, tho.
shadyspace
Banned
Metallix said:
Hey, thanks for posting it. Finally gets us off hard drive talk :lol
AceBandage
Banned
So yeah... a No More Heroes Game, with Shinobu and Sylvia communicating to you on the controller screen while you're in the middle of fights. Praising/berating you.
That makes me all giggly.
That makes me all giggly.
Father_Brain
Banned
That list lost most semblance of plausibility at Paper Zelda. And we know how secretive Nintendo is; I very much doubt that anyone much below Reggie's level knows the complete Cafe E3 lineup just under four weeks out. Lastly, it's way, way too far in advance for that many titles to be confirmed for launch day.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I thought Cafe was a codename. Why then would they launch games called Pikmin Cafe and Super Mario Cafe? Who takes the time to make up a list like that?
Shikamaru Ninja
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I can not believe any of you are taking that list seriously. O_O
NeoGaf? Is this you? Come on! We are supposed to elite!
NeoGaf? Is this you? Come on! We are supposed to elite!
Fernando Rocker
Banned
Metallix... I'm telling you this with GAF as a witness...
If that list is true, I will buy you (via Amazon) a game from that list, full price.
If that list is true, I will buy you (via Amazon) a game from that list, full price.
AceBandage
Banned
Shikamaru Ninja said:
No one thinks it's real...
We're just imagining the possibilities.
Knux-Future
Banned
Fernando Rocker said:
and if it's not we get to hit you with sticks and stream it for all to see.
shadyspace
Banned
Door2Dawn said:
Maybe Nintendo spent all the DS and Wii money on courting core developers and now they feel comfortable sitting back and just cranking out casual titles?
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