Sändersson
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Can dark elves trade? If so how?
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Total War Warhammer 2 |OT| Of Mice and Ratmen
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Kaffeemann
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My first Total War game was Warhammer I and now I'm absolutely addicted. If you like fantasy and strategy you should love TWW2 as well.
I have a GTX 970 as well and it can run it at 60+ FPS with some reduced settings.
Pyros_Eien
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I mentionned how I've been playing but basically, a lord+19slaves is less than 1k upkeep(bit more until you have the tech that reduces slave upkeep by 25%, think it was 1.2k then).
That's all my additional armies, lord are all plague lords for vermintide(I had a warlord once and he did ok but died valiantly defending against 3 high elf stacks nonsense, he's in rat-heaven now).
Even my main army was mostly slaves until I got a better economy and I only replaced a bunch with plague monk due to the -50% upkeep trait of Skrolk. You shouldn't need more unless fighting on low corruption, not having the food for menace below additional uses or obviously if fighting more than one stack.
Even 90 turns in, I'm still fighting and winning battles with my slave stacks against much higher tier units. Obviously most of the lords are higher levels so I have better spells to leverage the difference(Wither and The Thirteenth Spell) as well as the bell mount buffs, but still it's fairly common to get heroic victories because the balance of power shows the enemy absolutely stomping me, and in the end all they kill is like 600 out of my 3000slaves while they lose the fight and generally lose several high tier units in the process(so when I fight them again I can often win the autoresolve instead of having to fight them again, although sometimes I have to fight them manually again, and again until they finally get deleted).
Anyway the way I see it, you don't have the economy as skaven to raise several powerful armies, you need a bunch of slaves mixed in, or the way I do it, entirely slaves. The stronger units, even just clanrats, have pretty high upkeep compared to the money you make per region and the food thing forces you to give up 30% of your income in many regions to sustain your settlements alone. Especially early game you want to rely heavily on your free clanrats from Menace Below and dump all your food in it to win fights. If you win a fight, it'll pay for the Menace Below costs more or less between the food from winning and the food from captives.
BlitzEngineer
Member
Kinda been dark on this game, hope this isn't a dumb question.
I'm playing as DE, and currently dealing with the Norsca. Suffice to say, their army composition is alot like vanilla TWW1, which is to say they build basically all missile cav and trolls, and some useless infantry that routes to my Darkshards easily. My question is: If I buy the Norsca DLC, will that open up the options for the AI? Fighting mostly missile cav is kind of tiresome once you know how to deal with it.
I'm playing as DE, and currently dealing with the Norsca. Suffice to say, their army composition is alot like vanilla TWW1, which is to say they build basically all missile cav and trolls, and some useless infantry that routes to my Darkshards easily. My question is: If I buy the Norsca DLC, will that open up the options for the AI? Fighting mostly missile cav is kind of tiresome once you know how to deal with it.
each army upkeep takes a % cut from your total income, so that lord should cost you a lot more than that. I use some slave slingers in my two armies and made a slave-only army specifically to help boost a cities defense, but I doubt they would hold up against feral stegadons and temple guards in a normal battle (turn 50). The problem is that I'm getting crushed by three different Lizardmen factions from all sides, the AI just decided to take it out on me and the Skaven economy is terrible, at least early game. There's a chance that I can still salvage that campaign, but it's too much work for me right now. I started a Cult of Pleasure campaign instead, which has been pretty smooth sailing so far thanks to the Hydra you start with
Char Aznable
Member
managing food with the skaven is a pain in the ass. Managed to confederate with clan pestilence but i didn't recieve its lord i assume its bug :/
ohyescoolgreat
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If Skrolk wasn't an active lord on the campaign map you won't have received him. He'll likely have been wounded in a battle. Same thing happened to me when I confederated with Clan Mors.
How are people finding the Vortex component of the campaign? Ever since I found out you that you have to win a slightly skewed battle if the AI reaches the final rite before you, it killed any sense of urgency to compete in that race. I guess it's a nice story component but they should make it more worthwhile to do the rites first and offer another campaign mode for people who just want the traditional victory conditions.
Same here. The AI has attempted the last ritual twice now while I have not even done my first; both got crushed by Chaos and other AI forces while I sat back to do my own thing.
Anywsy, not sure if you realize this but you can win the vortex campaign the traditional way. There is a domination victory option you can see when you click on objectives.
Pyros_Eien
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Yeah each army takes a cut but it's still low. I checked earlier before taking a break and it is up to 1300 or so now, but I also have 7armies. Most of it is for the lord themselves.
Temple guards and stegadons aren't so bad, they're obviously tough but stegadons mostly I just throw 3-4 spear slaves at it and temple guards if you rear charge them with some summoned clanrats they take a fair amount of damage and if you use Wither they actually melt pretty quick. Also for either, I'll use The Thirteenth spell if I'm not playing Skrolk, and if I am I'll just melt them with his items(he has one single target item that does like 40% health damage and one aoe item that does like 30% to everything close to you).
But yeah you can end up in a bad spot I guess, I had a bunch of lizards everywhere and the dwarfs coming down the mountains but after killing their stacks over and over I had a bunch of turns of peace where I had some time to grab every ruins on the south coast and the dwarfs were getting hit in the back by Teclis so they dropped the war with me and stayed in their mountains until I killed them like 40turns later.
Anyway might as well switch it up if your game is messed up, I generally restart a bunch of times in the first ~10turns depending on how bad it goes. I think I did skaven first 3turns like 4times before I figured what I wanted to do.
Now my main concern is I haven't been doing any of the vortex event stuff yet, and while I'm pretty much caught up on ressources, I still need to spend a bunch of turns waiting so kinda scared. I tried doing an intervention force on the elves, it worked ok at first, they killed one of the settlement then some other elf faction came in and claimed it, the intervention forces then kept going(malekith made one too) and they got smashed by Tyrion and some other army both in a row but he was too far to reach the settlement anyway, and then the turn before it was about to fail, surprise he confederates the elves that took the settlement and still completes it.
I'm thinking I'll either have to sail a couple of decent armies before he reaches the next step and try to take out his ressource bases, or I'll go further north, steal some of frogboy ressources and race him.
cripterion
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Yeah, it's annoying not having on release day for every game they make.
It also doesn't seem to work when you have bought the DC for Warhammer I...
Devs have confirmed that if you bought it for WH1, you will get it for free for WH2.
Goldfishking
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No it won't. Norsca wasn't originally planned for warhammer 1 so the new units arent in two. I believe i heard the updated norsca will come with the combined campaign or sometime after.
Sadly were stuck with the old norsca for now though.
Edit: Also if you've bought the game in the first week you should already have norsca.
ISee
Member
The high elves started to throw armies with 5+ dragons and a lot of archers, bolt throwers, phoenix and seaguard units at me. The dragon mobility and insane bow range makes it a bit hard to deal with this kind of composition. I have no trouble with skaven, lizardmen or other dark elves factions but a hard time with high elves. Still conquering them though.
The game also started to be unstable (turn 120) and sometimes freezes/crashes or has strange UI glitches (UI and parts of the map disappear and reload) after 1-2h of gameplay. Anybody else with similar problems?
The game also started to be unstable (turn 120) and sometimes freezes/crashes or has strange UI glitches (UI and parts of the map disappear and reload) after 1-2h of gameplay. Anybody else with similar problems?
TheFawz
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Was really struggling to hit a good balance of performance and visuals with my 970, but now I upgraded to a 1080 and can hit stable 60FPS at all time in 1080 at max graphics (AA excluded cause it's borked).
Having a blast playing as Dark Elves, and overall enjoying it a lot more than the first game. This brings me back to Shogun2 levels of fun. I really like all the small tweaks like Lord traits being more structured. Everything just flows better.
Having a blast playing as Dark Elves, and overall enjoying it a lot more than the first game. This brings me back to Shogun2 levels of fun. I really like all the small tweaks like Lord traits being more structured. Everything just flows better.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
I have a 970, hits 60 easily
you could play on normal too, the more important aspect is which faction you choose. Some are marked as "Easy" (one of the HE and Lizard lords), I'd advise you to stay away from the Skaven as a completey new player ( "Normal" for Clan Pestilence is a big fat lie). In general, the game is easier the more isolated your starting positions is
the slaves don't break up an run even against high-end units and monsters? Then what is the purpose of the clansrats? This seems like an odd design decision, slaves have 1/3 or less of the upkeep of normal clansrats, but similar combat stats (their ranged damage is even identical to normal slingers)
Poodlestrike
Banned
So there's a Rite that gives Lizardmen a full stack of feral dinos and holy shit 20 dinosaurs is outrageous in the early game.
It's a little ridiculous hey. Based on the rite details it says it lasts 14 turns but I'm pretty sure I've had mine longer than that.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I mean, it's almost like... who even cares how long they last? Just keep smashing them into the teeth of whatever you need to kill and laugh while their sheer bulk overwhelms them.
I took a fortified city backed up by a full stack of Skaven by just rushing the gates with these guys. There isn't an answer to them at the point in the game you can get them.
ISee
Member
Me too. Seeing those awesome, detailed models in action is a blast.
Fakeknowledge
Member
What do people who love total war but know nothing about warhammer think of this?
Lord Phol
Member
I made a big mistake starting the third ritual with both my armies away from my main base fighting other Lizardmen. I was doing fine just a few turns ago. Now I got the following either in my base or on their way:
1x High Elf intervention
1x Skaven Intervention
1x Skaven other army.
1x Vampire army.
1x Norsca army
2x Chaos armies
Also just went bankrupt by loosing 3 settlements and being raided. This is probably the biggest turn-around I've seen so far in a TW Warhammer match. Slightly salty because I just lost an important city defending against the chaos armies. Odds were highly against me, but thanks to the walls and some micromanaging I managed to come out on top unit-wise as well as kill their leader. However some of their units had managed to get into the city and capture the victory point. No matter what I did I couldn't get my units in there. They were either stopped by other minor enemy units or just not obeying my orders/clicks at all. Kind of had that in other matches as well where it feels like units aren't doing what I want them to. Especially noticble with the ranged skinks, not sure if the skirmish (run away from melee) and fire at will modes are part of the problem.
Gotta push my main Lord through all those armies and re-capture the settlement to the east in 5 turns or I fail the ritual. It's going to be tough.
1x High Elf intervention
1x Skaven Intervention
1x Skaven other army.
1x Vampire army.
1x Norsca army
2x Chaos armies
Also just went bankrupt by loosing 3 settlements and being raided. This is probably the biggest turn-around I've seen so far in a TW Warhammer match. Slightly salty because I just lost an important city defending against the chaos armies. Odds were highly against me, but thanks to the walls and some micromanaging I managed to come out on top unit-wise as well as kill their leader. However some of their units had managed to get into the city and capture the victory point. No matter what I did I couldn't get my units in there. They were either stopped by other minor enemy units or just not obeying my orders/clicks at all. Kind of had that in other matches as well where it feels like units aren't doing what I want them to. Especially noticble with the ranged skinks, not sure if the skirmish (run away from melee) and fire at will modes are part of the problem.
Gotta push my main Lord through all those armies and re-capture the settlement to the east in 5 turns or I fail the ritual. It's going to be tough.
LurkerPrime
Member
The Vortex tier requirements jump up a lot each time, so I wouldn't sweat an enemy's progress too much at the half-way mark. You still have plenty of time to either slow them down, or speed yourself up.
You don't need a deep knowledge of Warhammer to play or anything. It's still Total War, though do note that Total Warhammer is a lot more focused on heroes and magicks and powerful beasts vs. historical Total War's meatbag armies. It's a lot more RPG-like than any of the previous games.
Personally, I'd say the Total Warhammer series (definitely 1, and 2 seems pretty good so far too) is the best of Total Wars, if only because of how diverse the factions are. Every single one has a fundamentally unique playstyle and start that makes the campaign a whole new challenge. It gives a whooole lot of replayability.
Do note that you'll need a good relationship with your target, and a connection to one of their provinces, either by land or seaport. Generally, any faction you've got a non-aggression pact with will be amicable towards trade.
Are you concerned about not knowing what's going on? It's pretty straightforward after the tutorials, and you can look up info on anything at almost any time.
You don't need a deep knowledge of Warhammer to play or anything. It's still Total War, though do note that Total Warhammer is a lot more focused on heroes and magicks and powerful beasts vs. historical Total War's meatbag armies. It's a lot more RPG-like than any of the previous games.
Personally, I'd say the Total Warhammer series (definitely 1, and 2 seems pretty good so far too) is the best of Total Wars, if only because of how diverse the factions are. Every single one has a fundamentally unique playstyle and start that makes the campaign a whole new challenge. It gives a whooole lot of replayability.
The same as any other (non-horde) faction: through diplomacy. I think the hotkey for that screen is "7".Sändersson;250528946 said:
Do note that you'll need a good relationship with your target, and a connection to one of their provinces, either by land or seaport. Generally, any faction you've got a non-aggression pact with will be amicable towards trade.
Char Aznable
Member
:/ damn i wanted skrolk , guess i'll reload.
the last battle was kinda easy for me with the lizardmen, the buff you get after defeating the skaven army are enough to help you hold the line that + HP regen .
This game is great if you want to start the total war series. IMO any total war (with the exception of the first 2) is a good point to jump in.
The main problem with total war for a newbie is that the tutorial is "bad", so you will probably lose your first campaign when you are discovering the mechanics. Remember to use the dificulties slider to easy if normal is too hard. All the dificulty levels do are bonuses /penalties for you and the AI.
According to CA Norsca new roster was made with the budget from the marketing division, so they used the DLC team to make it for warhammer 1 since 2 was almost done. Norsca will be integrated "soon" after the launch of the new mortal empires campaign
IMO the location where you start is more important then the difficulty setting. If you are comfortable around strategy games i think a normal difficulty start with an easy faction is the best way to ease into the game.
Just so you know the difficulty only changes bonuses, penalties and the AI aggressiveness towards you
LurkerPrime
Member
In my Clan Mors campaign, the first ritual worked out quite well. Encroaching Chaos forces razed three enemy settlements (including an enemy ritual site) on the way to my channeling settlement. This let me conquer the enemy's main province largely uncontested, with their one army wandering in the jungle unable to catch my Skaven.
Things were less good when the two island-borne Elf factions declared war on me at the same time. Now I'm going out to conquer their worthless provinces, to beat back an enemy that will no doubt return. If I don't annihilate them now they'll just come back again or confederate... I guess it's a good opportunity for food, though.
Things were less good when the two island-borne Elf factions declared war on me at the same time. Now I'm going out to conquer their worthless provinces, to beat back an enemy that will no doubt return. If I don't annihilate them now they'll just come back again or confederate... I guess it's a good opportunity for food, though.
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
its my favorite total war series
Gravemind IV
Member
How? I have an R9 390, which is pretty equivalent to a 970 and I am struggling with high settings and getting pretty severe framedrops.
Note I am also playing at 900p which makes it even more strange. 8gb of ram and a decent cpu (I5-6600).
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Snakethesniper
Member
thanks, I have a ryzen 5 1600 overclocked and 16gb of ram, so my only worry atm is the gpu
Gravemind IV
Member
Don't have a K variant though, so it is unclocked I believe.
Pretty much everything set to high, shadows to med. AA set to FXAA, reflections off, DoF off. Unit size to large, portraits to 2D as well.
No blood and gore as it's not available.
I am getting I guess 30-40 FPS with some higher counts at times, but Malekith's chillwind even causes framedrops not to mention multiple spells and Skaven stuff going on.
Char Aznable
Member
is it me or confederation is way harder this time around? now mister lord pestilence won't confederate cause reasons :/
Sändersson
Member
Can someone explain to me how Teclis's "shield of saphery" spells work. Are they really "on" at all times? Like the "life boom" says its active while casting does it mean that everytime I cast any spell all of my units get it?
I had this EXACT same situation happen last night. Started the third ritual, chaos armies popped up RIGHT next to my capital, high level Dark Elf intervention army RIGHT next to my capital and a stacked Skaven army (unknown neutral faction, not sure if this was an intervention too) RIGHT next to my capital. I was already dealing with a couple of rebelling provinces that had cropped up after confederating a neighbouring Lizardmen faction and my most powerful armies were waaay to the south.
So what I did was create as many throwaway armies as possible trying to buy time and whittle them down, the Dark Elf army absolutely obliterated them in seconds with like two hydras, three dragons etc. I was beginning to get a little angry at how OP intervention armies can be but eventually I got Mazdamundi back to the capital with his army and my army full of dinosaurs and a third backup army, managed to retake my capital (which had been razed), took out the Dark Elves, Skaven and the remaining Chaos forces. It was like 1:30am at this point lol.
So, pretty intense challenge but I ended up being able to overcome it. Pretty cool.
BossDarkseid
Member
Finished a campaign as the Lizardmen. In the final battle I'm pretty sure my general managed to kill himself with a spell, but my trusty soldiers pulled it out of the bag.
Wonder what it'd be like in co op...
Wonder what it'd be like in co op...
PeskyToaster
Member
Damn lizard men took one of my cities. The army comp they have is just slightly too powerful for me right now but my garrison army defended really well. They lost a lot of expensive units. They have a stegadon and some crocodile soldiers that cut through my rats. I'm overhauling my armies right now cause I got access to some higher tier units. Also holy shit at the Hell-Pit abomination. One of my garrison armies had one. So gross. So awesome. really well done on the units.