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lastendconductor · Aug 28, 2011

I hope they learned from their mistakes and this is not another railroad. FFXIII is such a wasted effort... I'm playing it ATM and it's painfull to look at it and see what could've become of it with a good game design. Except the story which is... well, it's crap, really cool concepts here and there but horrible execution.
Sadly, I can't feel the hype with XIII-2 because frankly, if someone asked me which character in XIII would make the WORST protagonist, I would've said this skinny bitch Serah. Even fucking smiles and sunshine would make a better main.

Rahxephon91 · Aug 28, 2011

prowler_ said:
Oh God no, SQUARE ENIX DON'T

Too late, enjoy your temples.

Yes the best thing about XII is the complete lack of puzzles.

Fimbulvetr · Aug 28, 2011

Cwarrior said:
lol its like they took all the character you hated in ff13, added more character your going to hate for the same reasons and put them all in one game.

Those two were already in XIII.

Perfo · Aug 28, 2011

Just to stop the flow of hate, I'd say FFX and XIII's art direction is my favorite in the Final Fantasy saga. To explain it better: the interpretation given to the word fantasy by Isamu Kamikokuryo it's indeed my favorite. To make it easier to understand, I'm more fascinated by Spira and Cocoon than other FF's worlds.

jackdoe · Aug 28, 2011

DKnight said:
Sadly, I can't feel the hype with XIII-2 because frankly, if someone asked me which character in XIII would make the WORST protagonist, I would've said this skinny bitch Serah. Even fucking smiles and sunshine would make a better main.

I'd have said Vanille purely because there wasn't enough of Serah in FFXIII to make you hate her. Square-Enix solved that problem by giving us enough material in these trailers to make us completely loathe Serah.

Thoraxes · Aug 28, 2011

Any main character with leggings is a good main character by my standards.

R_thanatos · Aug 28, 2011

DiipuSurotu said:
I think it would almost make more sense if it was a sentient bow that can transform into a Moogle, rather than the other way around. That would explain why he's so weird.

i can live with that too as long as it's not snow from some timeline after a weird shift of some sort . ( yeah i'm expecting the worst ).

Cwarrior said:
What on earth is going on, in the art department, its like the deformed inbred child of FF and kindomhearts.

it is a child that will have a weird birth IMO , due to the pregnant time and the fathers .

are these girls or more very girly boys

Neither . they are part of NORA .. it's worse than you can imagine ...hope's mom was part of them only 4 minutes and she died .. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THEM

Droplet · Aug 28, 2011

Seda said:
I liked the cloisters.

The thing about the cloisters that got on my nerves was that it was the same puzzle every time, just it got progressively more complex. For people who have the type of thinking that allows you to solve those with ease, it was probably fun, but for people who aren't used to thinking in that way, it can be a very frustrating experience (hello). They added in more gimmicky things like the ice and whatever the hell they did with Bahamut's, but that didn't really add anything to the way the puzzle in itself was done.

Cwarrior said:
What on earth is going on, in the art department, its like the deformed inbred child of FF and kindomhearts.

I really like Team Nora's designs. I'm sad the character designer for them isn't back.

Korey · Aug 28, 2011

http://www.novacrystallis.com/XIII-2/August/xiii-2_08222011_02.jpg

Does anyone know what that sword gear icon thing on the bottom left of the screen is for?

Yoshichan · Aug 28, 2011

Korey said:
http://www.novacrystallis.com/XIII-2/August/xiii-2_08222011_02.jpg

Does anyone know what that sword gear icon thing on the bottom left of the screen is for?

Probably indicating that the party is COM/COM.

Korey · Aug 28, 2011

Yoshichan said:
Probably indicating that the party is COM/COM.

It's like that for all the screenshots (SEN/SEN, COM/RAV, RAV/SAB), so was wondering if it did anything or is just decoration

xion4360 · Aug 28, 2011

Korey said:
It's like that for all the screenshots (SEN/SEN, COM/RAV, RAV/SAB), so was wondering if it did anything or is just decoration

That sword is the symbol for Commando. So it probably will represent your active role, but just the graphic just hasnt been put in yet.

Kagari · Sep 2, 2011

Some info from Jump:

Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.

Perfo · Sep 2, 2011

Kagari said:
Some info from Jump:

Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.

She's really in the Valhalla? WTF, lol ~
Noel coming from the future, Light coming from another dimension, maybe someone else coming from the past: messy-plot confirmed, hype rising!

XD

Seda · Sep 2, 2011

Kagari said:
Some info from Jump:

Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.

Sounds awesometastic XD.

SykoTech · Sep 2, 2011

Kagari said:
Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.

...

Not that I had high expectations from the story to begin with, but they just dropped.

Perfo · Sep 2, 2011

Square Enix also started pre-orderings for Light's action figure set for mid-december (possibly FF's release date?), so this website reports:

http://finalfantasyxiii2.wordpress....aunches-lightning-playarts-figure-pre-orders/

I'll pick this up

ULTROS! · Sep 2, 2011

So Noel must be Fang or Yuna's descendant!

Perfo · Sep 2, 2011

ULTROS! said:
So Noel must be Fang or Yuna's descendant!

Someone guess he is just the son of Snow and Serah from the future, lol ~
That'll be messy...

Jo Shishido's Cheeks · Sep 2, 2011

So Serah is presumably the key to saving humanity, hence Noel's travel back to meet her and his dreams of her? Ummmmm........ wow!

Shadow780 · Sep 2, 2011

Noel is Trunks.

michaeltraps · Sep 2, 2011

Shadow780 said:
Noel is Trunks.

He's come to bring heart medication to Snow who dies of a rare heart disease in his timeline, bringing about the destruction of humanity.

jiggle · Sep 2, 2011

he's obviously yuna+tidus' son

ffxiii = ffxiii2, pulse renamed to spira ========== destruction of zanarkand and xiii machinas ===== ffx = ffx2 ================ ffviibc = ffviicc = ffvii = ffviiac = ffviidc

jenova is fang traveling on a comet aka cocoon
and vanille is big fat sin
now it all now make sense

Perfo said:
Someone guess he is just the son of Snow and Serah from the future, lol ~

that would mean someone's carpet don't match the drapes lol

The Last One · Sep 2, 2011

jiggle said:
he's obviously yuna+tidus' son

Damn, another dream character...

Majmun · Sep 2, 2011

Looks like they've hired Lost's writers for the script.

ScionOfTheRisingSun · Sep 2, 2011

Y2Kev said:
I don't care about HD towns. Towns in JRPGs are stupid wastes of time. You might as well line up a row of chests and let me just run past them. I'm not someone with a spectrum disorder that begs IGN to revive the 7th Saga series for no reason. I'm in favor of trimming the fat when the fat is just window dressing.

This has been my sentiment regarding RPG's for about ten years now. Not many seem to agree with me, least of all the creators. Excess seems to be the most favoured philosophy when it comes to RPG design post FFVII.

Incidentally Vagrant Story is my favourite RPG of all time, not just from the point of view of discarding bloat, but in the innovative design philosophy encompassing the entire breadth of the game's mechanics.

Anyway, what exactly is people's problem with the latest trailer? Outside of seeing a few framerate stutters and a general drabness to the graphics I thought it looked alright.

QTE's don't really bother me as long as they are not over used and accompany the excellent strategic and fast paced battle system from XIII.

In fact as far as battle systems are involved XIII and XII are two of my most favourite in the entire FF series. I commend the FF team for continuing the series tradition of mixing things up something violent for each new numbered entry. Not a lot of that sort of thinking going on these days, and when it does it is usually to "streamline" away all depth in order to make things more casual.

Dunan · Sep 2, 2011

Each new reveal has me shaking my head even more.

It's almost a good thing that FFXIV is having so many problems -- people will pay less attention to this pair of games and its facepalmingly-awful story.

Fortunately Type-0 is looking good enough that it should tide us over to whatever SE has ready in 2012. (Versus?) SE quality has never been more up-and-down.

Dunan · Sep 2, 2011

Dunan said:
SE quality has never been more up-and-down.

Realized as I posted: I meant this as being from game to game, but it's just as true within each game. FFXIII has some beautiful art, an exceptionally interestingly-designed world that better writers could have done much more with, and a fun battle system that only seems bad because it's no longer seamless and is not quite as good as its predecesor's.

If FFXIII-2 is like that, it won't be a total loss, but I will be waiting for the price drop before playing it.

Kagari · Sep 2, 2011

Shadow780 said:
Noel is Trunks.

Toriyama loves anime cliches.

Mr. Wonderful · Sep 2, 2011

Kagari said:
Some info from Jump:

Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.

I don't....

I don't understand.

ScionOfTheRisingSun · Sep 2, 2011

Kagari said:
Toriyama loves anime cliches.

Let us not throw stones when living in glass houses #cough# baldspacemarines.jpg. Every region has its cliches in the arts. At the end of the day it really comes down to personal preference.

Kagari · Sep 2, 2011

ScionOfTheRisingSun said:
Let us not throw stones when living in glass houses #cough# baldspacemarines.jpg. Every region has its cliches in the arts. At the end of the day it really comes down to personal preference.

I have no faith in him, sorry.

ScionOfTheRisingSun · Sep 2, 2011

Each to their own. Personally as long as character designs do not fall outside of my sphere of tolerance they just wash over me as being rather trivial part of my experience. Graphical aesthetics and colour palette have much more impact to me. So far XIII-2 has been rather drab, which worries me. I liked how lush and sharp XIII was, but then I guess having assets that were being worked on for so many years helped in that regard.

Perfo · Sep 2, 2011

Kagari said:
I have no faith in him, sorry.

Who for the most was responsible for FFX's story?
I know M.Toriyama directed it with other two members, and K.Nojima wrote it...
but it's curious. I mean, I think FFX's story is great compared to FFXIII (and perhaps XIII-2 XD). What just happened?

Lady Bird · Sep 2, 2011

Perfo said:
Who for the most was responsible for FFX's story?
I know M.Toriyama directed it with other two members, and K.Nojima wrote it...
but it's curious. I mean, I think FFX's story is great compared to FFXIII (and perhaps XIII-2 XD). What just happened?

Nojima's ideas are also quite ridiculous. It just so happens that he can execute them decently (or at least he did for FFX), while Toriyama and Watanabe have yet to do so in any game they wrote for.

Rahxephon91 · Sep 2, 2011

Noel is the guy who appeared in the first trailer for XIII-2.

FrontalMonk · Sep 2, 2011

I loved the combat in XIII so I'm expecting to see more of that. So far I'm excited. Cautious, but excited.

gundamkyoukai · Sep 2, 2011

Well not like i was expecting anything from the story but this going to be worst than XIII.
Seem like SE really did not learn anything , this suppose to also have multiple endings which going to make it a even big train wreck than XIII.

nelsonroyale · Sep 2, 2011

From the future...? Don't like the sound of this... Last surviving human? So not only is he from the future, he is from the final future?

Nirolak · Sep 2, 2011

Rahxephon91 said:
Noel is the guy who appeared in the first trailer for XIII-2.

So he is very literally Trunks with time traveler Noel and dark future Noel.

Akselziys · Sep 2, 2011

Kagari said:
Some info from Jump:

Noel is from the future. He's the last surviving human from his time.
Lightning continues fighting as a knight protecting a shrine of the goddess Etro in Valhalla now.

So Noel is

Gaspar from the end of time

The Praiseworthy · Sep 2, 2011

I hope the story turns out to be more exciting than the last few FF games.... I want a big plot twist, I miss the good plot twists :-(

Go_Ly_Dow · Sep 2, 2011

At least the story will be ridiculously hilarious!

Cheska · Sep 2, 2011

Sounds like a plot hole filled storyline x.x

I want that figure! Any chance US will get that or do you think were better off importing?

Lebron · Sep 2, 2011

I expect nothing less from the current SE writers. Watanabe, Nojima, Nomura, Toriyama, none of them can write for shit. Their stories are nothing short of ridiculous. I don't expect much in the story department from JRPGS, but come on.

With that said, I'm still sort of looking forward to XIII-2 if only for Hamauzu bringing the goods

Zafir · Sep 2, 2011

Cheska said:
Sounds like a plot hole filled storyline x.x

I want that figure! Any chance US will get that or do you think were better off importing?

I would have thought it would appear on the US/EU Square Enix store. However, be prepared to potentially pay and higher price(I dunno about the US store, but the shipping on the EU store is outrageous) and possibly wait a bit longer.

Kagari · Sep 2, 2011

Cheska said:
Sounds like a plot hole filled storyline x.x

I want that figure! Any chance US will get that or do you think were better off importing?

It should.

jackdoe · Sep 2, 2011

Nirolak said:
So he is very literally Trunks with time traveler Noel and dark future Noel.

He's also a lot like Kang the Conqueror. Maybe even with the same plot twist.

Thoraxes · Sep 2, 2011

Only thing I need to know now is who he's the son of.

Or maybe this is the plot of Back to the Future. You know, except he has to get with his mom to be born, and he'll accomplish this because she'll hit on him so hard, and then invite him to the Enchanted Under the Sea dance where he'll impress her with his guitar skills.

Also in RPGs hair usually indicates lineage, so if we just look at that, he's probably the child of either Snow or Fang, if color and style are things to go by.

Anywho, I would guess the man from the future isn't evil Noel, but definitely related. If he went to the past as his younger self, why is there a (probably) evil version of himself in the same time period, unless Valhalla defies a lot of things. Also i'm interested in learning more about Valhalla and Light.

I also wonder how far from the future he's from. Is it 100's or 10's of years were talking about here?

Either way, cliches make me happy for some reason. I love the cheesiness of it all, and the Japanese know how to do it the best.

Pranay · Sep 2, 2011

Thoraxes said:
Only thing I need to know now is who he's the son of.

Or maybe this is the plot of Back to the Future. You know, except he has to get with his mom to be born, and he'll accomplish this because she'll hit on him so hard, and then invite him to the Enchanted Under the Sea dance where he'll impress her with his guitar skills.

Anywho, I would guess the man from the future isn't evil Noel, but definitely related. If he went to the past as his younger self, why is there a (probably) evil version of himself in the same time period, unless Valhalla defies a lot of things. Also i'm interested in learning more about Valhalla and Light.

I also wonder how far from the future he's from. Is it 100's or 10's of years were talking about here?

Either way, cliches make me happy for some reason. I love the cheesiness of it all, and the Japanese know how to do it the best.

He looks like the son of Yuna and Tidus [ -.-]

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