Don't get me wrong. The game is pure awesome. But one thing which always bothering me is the game loading/installation. I mean, the loading time itself is already long enough especially compare to other high-profile game. But installing game every Act? Why don't make it done at once since start? Installing has already taken away the advantage of being disc base system for the console. But now installing every mission ([spoil]the game has only 5 missions by the way[/spoil]). And with the new stage installation, the old stage data will be deleted. If i stop my play at stage 3 and my brother want his own play start from stage 1, it means the game has to re-install stage1 and then re-re-install the game when i want to continue my play from stage3 :/.
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Installing game every Act (MGS4). Is this a good trend of game loading?
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Pureauthor
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I fail to see in what capacity this could be considered good. :/
Paranoid_Robot
Member
I would like the option (if possible) for one huge install at the beginning but I'm not entirely sure if it's possible.
I don't mind installing games at the start if it reduces load times significantly, but the MGS4 way of doing it is not what I want to see in the future.
I don't mind installing games at the start if it reduces load times significantly, but the MGS4 way of doing it is not what I want to see in the future.
Paranoid_Robot said:
Pretty much what I was going to say. I personally would rather have a longer first install then staggered ones. To be fair after the initial one, the ones for each act were "only" like 2 minutes, but it was still mildly annoying.
I'm hoping they do a patch that gives us that option, as well as an option to view cutscenes or something.
It's a bad trend. What makes it worse is the fact you brought up: you have to sit through every single installation when you replay the game. It's ironic really. If they had called it a "Loading" screen, every single review out there would have bitched about the long load times.
But instead, they call it "installation" so it doesn't get nearly as much negative attention as it really deserves.
It's fucking worse than changing discs. At least, changing discs don't require two minutes.
But instead, they call it "installation" so it doesn't get nearly as much negative attention as it really deserves.
It's fucking worse than changing discs. At least, changing discs don't require two minutes.
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Deleted member 30609
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Don't give a damn about install times if they are tastefully placed and aren't too long. I honestly fail to see what the issue is. It's a couple of minutes, get over it. This is coming from someone with a PS3 and a 360.
dalin80 said:
You remembered wrongly.
Every. Single. Goddamn. Act.
After you complete the game and you or someone else wants to go through it again and it will also be:
Every. Single. Goddamn. Act.
Oh, please for fuck's sake, don't use that stupid argument about MGS4 being such a huge game in terms of "scope" and "size". That's just stupid. You don't need so many fucking installations for games of great scale and scope. Just look at GTAIV.
Oh how quickly we forget:
http://www.gamespot.com/video/925777/6128489/midnight-club-3-dub-edition-gameplay-movie-2
http://www.gamespot.com/video/925777/6128489/midnight-club-3-dub-edition-gameplay-movie-2
Clinton514
Member
It's better than sitting through 20 mins of DMC4 backstory.
Pureauthor
Member
Rez>You said:
It's a couple of minutes every single time you want to play the game. If this was two minutes of 'Load times', this would be blasted all over the internet. And in practical terms, it's no different, so it should receive the same flak.
Pureauthor said:
That's not true. You install, that install will be there next time you boot up. It's an issue when you want to skip around all over the game, but less so if you just play though it multiple times (which is the way it was "meant" to be played).
I don't like the precedence set by the multiple, mandatory installations in MGS4.
Sure, they're quick, but then you still have load times between different zones in a level. They're not eliminating the shorter load times like most people thought they would. The mid level loading in MGS4 is about as frequent as the elevators in Mass Effect.
Sure, they're quick, but then you still have load times between different zones in a level. They're not eliminating the shorter load times like most people thought they would. The mid level loading in MGS4 is about as frequent as the elevators in Mass Effect.
Metalmurphy
Member
If it exists, it obviously required it. I mean... they obviously didn't do it just for the heck of it... so... what's the point in arguing?ElyrionX said:
I rather have this then downgrading the game in any aspect...
mr_bishiuk
Banned
If the game installed all the acts in one go then I take it it would need a 20 gig install (5 acts x 4 gigs), its a bugger but I guess Blu ray has its advantages and disadvantage as a games medium. Once Blu ray players can play at faster speeds then the need for installs will go.
Clinton514
Member
For 1-3 mins. Sure. I have no issue with it.ElyrionX said:
SlaughterX
Banned
No
Aquavelvaman
Banned
If they weren't all 1-2 minutes it would bother me, but honestly I've waited longer for some pc/psp games to load than it takes mgs4 to install an act. Did anyone play Morrowind on xbox?
Also
Also
Costanza said:
Clinton514
Member
As far as I can remember, DMC4 is the only game with a 20 min. install. It's puzzling because I've played games that install the same amount of data (approx. 4gb) within 3-5mins.chubigans said:
The Faceless Master
Member
as several people have said before, there's a Sony TRC that limits install size for games to 5GB, so MGS4 literally *cannot* install the whole game. they overwrite part of the install each act.
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Deleted member 30609
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If they are placed tastefully to improve the games performance and future load times then I'm all for it. It isn't KojiPro's fault Sony chose Blu-Ray and then imposed an install limit.ElyrionX said:
EDIT: And please don't use the "lazy developer" thing here, MGS4 is many things; lazy isn't one of them.
manueldelalas
Time Traveler
Wow, MGS DF arrived late
Yes, the install system is retarded and I hope it doesn't become a trend in console gaming.
Yes, the install system is retarded and I hope it doesn't become a trend in console gaming.
ElyrionX said:
Dude, Tycho is a fucking retarded, he didnt' sum up shit. The Installs come to the benefit of the game, coupled with the amount of data that can be stored on Blu-Ray. I think it's quite obvious Tycho has his 'preference' with consoles, and he hasn't been afraid to voice that opinion in the past.
Clinton514
Member
:lol Right. Those guys and their selective chastising opinions.ElyrionX said:
MrTroubleMaker
Member
To bad they couldn't have been allowed to go larger, I would rather have 1 big install instead of what we ended up with.The Faceless Master said:
chubigans said:
I guess you're too dumb to see what I mean.
Add up all the installs you do throughout five chapters and that initial long installation and I'm pretty sure you'll get 20 minutes. Also, if you play through the game more than once, the total time spent staring at the installation screen increases even more. That's not something DMC4 had.
Oh give me a break.
We went from cartridges to CDs, and what were the downsides? Load times, and CD scratches. But the positives outweighed the negatives, and we moved forward. Many devs have eliminated load times altogether.
Now we have Blu-Ray instead of DVD. There are obvious benefits, but the downsides is what we see going on here in MGS. BD has come a long way since launch, and MGS 4 could have handled this a bit better methinks, but to somehow imply that DVD is a much more viable format than Blu-Ray is incredibly stupid.
I'll gladly eat those words if Xbox 720 still uses the DVD format.
ElyrionX said:
I think you're too stupid to realize what you're typing.
Mod. Please change topic from good to bad trend. Just my own miscommunication.
And yeah, if you take it as loading time (no matter what it is now loading or now installing) then this is not a good thing at all. I don't know why we still have this issue with the new generation of console. I remember my bad memory from long now loading since PS era. It's just getting worse.
And yeah, if you take it as loading time (no matter what it is now loading or now installing) then this is not a good thing at all. I don't know why we still have this issue with the new generation of console. I remember my bad memory from long now loading since PS era. It's just getting worse.
mr_bishiuk
Banned
Is the ISO confirmed at 30gigs? if so 4 DVD's could hold the game for 360 and if the game is broken into acts and requires install the 360 version could just have a 20 second disc swap instead. Not that I think it would be worth Konami's time in porting it.
ElyrionX said:
How long does it take to load certain segments of Halo 3 each time you play? Quite a few minutes.
GTA IV? Same.
Also, it's 19 minutes the first time you play, to include the intial install, after that, it's roughly 12 minutes of install times TOTAL for all the acts.
If you play GTA IV 5 separate times in one day, you're already waiting longer on THOSE load times than you are on MGS4 install times.
Pureauthor
Member
Durante said:
No, I don't have a PS3 yet - I don't need one to play the game. (Haven't completed it yet, though...)
Also, yeah, that was poorly worded on my part, but everyone should know what I mean.