Digital Savior
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Nice OT. I would've picked one up, but I went with the Switch. My 2600k will live on a bit longer. Really looking forward to upping my core count. Hate frame drops trying to capture video.
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AMD Ryzen Thread: Affordable Core Act
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Trogdor1123
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I assume the 5s will be the bread an butter. Wonder how it will perform.
Anything on those?
Anything on those?
ThaiGrocer
Member
Mostly rumor and annoucement that 5 series is coming in Q2. They have a good collection of articles.
https://videocardz.com/amd/ryzen
Nostremitus
Member
G.Skill F4-3200C16D-32GVK should be fine?
What A Time To Be Alive
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>:3
opticalmace
Member
Looks pretty promising, though I don't know offhand how GPU limited you are in each of those games/configs/settings. I'm not building mine for gaming, but it's nice to know it'll handle itself quite well.
I wish Thursday were already here for some reviews!
I wish Thursday were already here for some reviews!
·feist·;231236091 said:
Does BF4 even have the option to play in DX12?
Wut
General Lee
Member
What was the all core frequency of 1700, 3.4 GHz? It's almost 1 GHz advantage for 7700K in that sense, but at 1440p I don't think these results tell us more than that most games are GPU bound.
What'll be interesting to see is if there's actually titles that are more Intel optimized outside the usual difference in frequency or cores. AMD seems to have a talk at GDC about Ryzen optimizations for games, and they announced a partnership with Bethesda for optimizing CPU&GPU performance, so I wonder if there's any significant optimizations for devs to specifically target Ryzen or if there's games right now that have sub par performance for some reason on AMD.
What'll be interesting to see is if there's actually titles that are more Intel optimized outside the usual difference in frequency or cores. AMD seems to have a talk at GDC about Ryzen optimizations for games, and they announced a partnership with Bethesda for optimizing CPU&GPU performance, so I wonder if there's any significant optimizations for devs to specifically target Ryzen or if there's games right now that have sub par performance for some reason on AMD.
Nostremitus
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3.0GHz base clock for the 1700, right?
Nostremitus
Member
Image in OT states 3.0 base clock.
I'm not aware of any all-core turbo frequency being confirmed for the R7 1700.
As mentioned, the CPU lineup image in the OP is direct from AMD's Ryzen launch showcase. Also, this: https://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/ryzen-pre-order?ipromo=ryzen-preorder-banner
Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5 AM4 Ryzen Motherboard Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmDrtRSS--o
Asus Prime X370 Pro Ryzen Motherboard Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuYSF3aqFhc
Asus Crosshair VI AM4 Ryzen Motherboard Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2zyjSqPAFs
Crosshair VI Hero Unboxing and First Look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVcIss7m5SM
Crosshair VI Hero Closer Look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAZA6bgZh0o
As mentioned, the CPU lineup image in the OP is direct from AMD's Ryzen launch showcase. Also, this: https://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/ryzen-pre-order?ipromo=ryzen-preorder-banner
AMD Ryzen 7 1700
WORLD'S LOWEST POWER 8-CORE DESKTOP PROCESSOR
3.0 GHz clock rate; 3.7 GHz with boost
AMD Wraith Spire cooler
65 Watt TDP
WORLD'S LOWEST POWER 8-CORE DESKTOP PROCESSOR
3.0 GHz clock rate; 3.7 GHz with boost
AMD Wraith Spire cooler
65 Watt TDP
Gigabyte AX370 Gaming 5 AM4 Ryzen Motherboard Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmDrtRSS--o
Asus Prime X370 Pro Ryzen Motherboard Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuYSF3aqFhc
Asus Crosshair VI AM4 Ryzen Motherboard Preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2zyjSqPAFs
Crosshair VI Hero Unboxing and First Look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVcIss7m5SM
Crosshair VI Hero Closer Look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAZA6bgZh0o
Likely a DX11 typo in both charts, or "DX12" is being used in place of "Mantle" for some reason.
If accurate (leak is from AMD, and not an independent review) it would show that the frame times of Ryzen are much improved over Bulldozer/Piledriver/Steamroller/Excavator. Even when those CPUs had comparable performance to Intel's FPS results, the frame times were often below competing Intels.
Nostremitus
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Considering that the 1700/X seems to be performing worse in games than a 7700K/6800K based on the two charts from AMD above, I would expect fewer cores to perform worse.
That said, if things are this close and all these CPUs are at stock speeds, those are quite promising results.
Based on what?
The i3-7350K doesn't seem to overclock any better than the quad-core i7-7700K, and those are dual-core CPUs with smaller dies.
The 6-core Ryzen CPUs are just 8-core Ryzen chips with two cores disabled.
I would expect them to be worse overclockers than an 1800X which is the highest binned chip using that design.
ShadowKingpin
Member
Well, I was going to get the 1700X, but my car just broke down and needs a new fuel pump. The PC will have to wait. Thankfully, those benchmarks look promising!
sleepnaught
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Nostremitus
Member
As you said, stock speeds.
The 1700 stock speed is 3.0GHz. The 7700K is 4.2GHz...
It being that close despite lower clocks is really in favor of Ryzen. Intel has a 1.2GHz advantage and still only squeaks by if that slide is accurate.
More cores = lower frequencies. That's the reason the i7 quad cores are clocked higher and overclock better than the i7 6 or 8 core variants.
We already know that the 1600x will be clocked higher than the 1700 and 1700X based on AMD's slides at their event.
Yes, that's why it's a very interesting result if all the CPUs are running at stock speeds - though we still don't know the full details of how the CPUs handle boost, and how XFR may affect that.
That really just assumes that heat is going to be the limiting factor.
Intel's HEDT chips are not the same as the consumer chips. They're not just the same CPUs with a few more cores, so you can't compare something like a 6800K/6900K to a 6700K/7700K.
That's why my example was to compare the dual-core i3-7350K against the quad-core i7-7700K.
Same platform & architecture - basically the same CPU design with fewer cores and a smaller die.
The 6-core Ryzen CPUs are just worse-binned 8-core CPUs.
They still have 8 cores and are the same die size.
Stock speeds perhaps, but that doesn't mean there is any additional headroom when overclocking - as I said, I would expect them to be worse overclockers if anything, due to them being lower-binned chips.
When you need LN2 to hit 5.2GHz, and their watercooled demo crashed trying to run 4.1GHz on all cores, 4.5GHz on air seems unrealistic.
The 1600x has a higher base clock than the 1700x, so...
Maybe old news, but just saw these. Some leaked gaming benches for the 1700X. https://videocardz.com/66684/amd-ryzen-7-1700x-review-leaks-out
Nostremitus
Member
Yep, apparently that was from an engineering sample too, so that is without turbo clocks.
And they also had to run their memory at 2133MHz because they didn't have an up to date BIOS. Obviously not every test will see a difference with using faster/lower latency memory.
I should've noticed this OT sooner instead of rambling in that old thread.
? The 1800x is $500, the 1700 is $329, 1700x is $400.
I live in Brazil. Here 1700 is $500, 1700x is $576 and the 1800x is $866
Oh. You have my condolences.
Videocardz is literally the top (most reputable) rumor and leaks site now, they keep delivering the goods time and again. Good on them.
Ryzen looks promising. Competitive with Intel in single-threaded performance while consuming a lot less and costing a lot less. Killing Intel in multi-threaded performance.
Ryzen looks promising. Competitive with Intel in single-threaded performance while consuming a lot less and costing a lot less. Killing Intel in multi-threaded performance.
Those leaked 1700x benchmarks posted above are pointless.
- He is using a Engineering Sample.
- Low end motherboard with outdated Bios that is why he has his ram clocked so low. While intel setups are using high end motherboards and faster ram.
Brazil over tax Electronics to hell and back no surprise.
- He is using a Engineering Sample.
- Low end motherboard with outdated Bios that is why he has his ram clocked so low. While intel setups are using high end motherboards and faster ram.
Brazil over tax Electronics to hell and back no surprise.
CarbonFire
Member
·feist·;231236091 said:
Excellent news. 99th percentile and frametimes really need to be reported more.
Getting really close to pulling the trigger on a 1700x build now.
AnythingBut
Member
Anyone's Amazon UK order shipped yet?
Still has mine under pre-order atm....yes, excited a little.
Still has mine under pre-order atm....yes, excited a little.
TC McQueen
Member
Here's 51 slides that might be going away soon, so look at them/download them ASAP:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7_TCzoyL9oejlBV1R0WVdKMkU/view
Interesting tidbits:
####X = XFR*
#### = Standard desktop CPU
####G = DT (dual thread?) with GFX
####T = low power desktop
####S = low power desktop with GFX
####H = high performance mobile
####U = standard mobile
####M = low power mobile
*X models have 2x XFR head room over non-X models
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By7_TCzoyL9oejlBV1R0WVdKMkU/view
Interesting tidbits:
####X = XFR*
#### = Standard desktop CPU
####G = DT (dual thread?) with GFX
####T = low power desktop
####S = low power desktop with GFX
####H = high performance mobile
####U = standard mobile
####M = low power mobile
*X models have 2x XFR head room over non-X models
Trogdor1123
Gold Member
I'm getting a new gaming computer about this time next year and have budgeted 1500 CDN for it, I hope there will be good options then. My current computer is about 6 years old and needs a total redo. What all power supply and such is needed now? How much ram? Can motherboards include Bluetooth for controllers?
TC McQueen
Member
Not sure about power supply, but 16GB RAM would be best. If you're getting the PC next year, then hopefully RAM prices would have dropped by them.
I think some mobos have built in Bluetooth, but I do know that some of the ones that ship with WiFi cards have Bluetooth via the card.
General Lee
Member
For PSU's a good 500-600W unit will do even for higher end as long as you don't go SLI/CF. For RAM 16 GB is plenty unless you do heavy duty video editing etc. Motherboards usually do come with bluetooth, but the quality can be iffy, and I'd not recommend to use it for game controller purposes since the input lag might get too big, if it even keeps the signal.
Not that I've seen.
Also as you've noted you'd want the antenna to be outside (and in front of) the case, so it is best to get a usb dongle anyway.
opticalmace
Member
Should we expect to see motherboard reviews tomorrow? I know what CPU I want, just not sure which mobo.
TC McQueen
Member
Probably. The embargo's up at 10AM EST/9AM CST/7AM PST/3PM GMT and mobos should be included.
A fuel pump is $50-100 and takes 30-45 mins to install. I think you can still afford the 1700X.
Astral/H3X
Member
Do we know what video card they were using for that? I'm wanting to make the jump to 1440p here after upgrading my CPU from a 2500.