broadwayrock
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Now banned in Ireland too:
http://www.ifco.ie/ifco/ifcoweb.nsf/web/news?opendocument&news=yes&type=graphic
http://www.ifco.ie/ifco/ifcoweb.nsf/web/news?opendocument&news=yes&type=graphic
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Manhunt 2 won't be released in UK
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jipe said:
Maybe I am taking this argument the wrong way, but when I think "Government" I think the current government, with its short term policies, media interests etc, and if the BBFC was influenced by this I would agree that this is censorship for populisms sake, but it isn't the BBFCs policies are not affected by government, they are self imposed, their mandate was given because of the respect garnered from the industry and governement, that respect was gained beacuase they generally got their ratings spot on.
Anyway, Manhunt 2 may or may not be socially unnacceptable, but i'll trust the BBFC because they have no reason to be sensationalist, and no reason to restrict its rating other than the game being truly OTT in some way or another.
http://www.ifco.ie/ifco/ifcoweb.nsf/...s&type=graphic
Also restricted from rating in Ireland, Not suprising, Rockstar have set out to rock the boat and may have deliberately went too far to get this reaction, free publicity after all.
Frankfurter
Member
:lol Import it from Germany
Btw.: the game will be banned in Germany most likely, but it'll take a few weeks, so I think I'll be able to buy it.
Btw.: the game will be banned in Germany most likely, but it'll take a few weeks, so I think I'll be able to buy it.
jipe said:
True, I don't disagree with you. My point was only to say that other rating systems exist because they have the tacit approval of the state or states. So perhaps state sponsored isn't terribly accurate, but in order to exist, they would certainly have the support of their various governments who presumably don't want the nasty flak of performing said regulation themselves
This kind of stuff gives amazing publicity though. Import sales of the PAL version will go through the roof. :lol
Couldn't they sell it in the adult DVD shops in Soho?
I think I would. I'm of the belief that if films, art and other mediums are allowed to tackle controversial and distressing subjects, then games shouldn't be restricted either.
Couldn't they sell it in the adult DVD shops in Soho?
I think I would. I'm of the belief that if films, art and other mediums are allowed to tackle controversial and distressing subjects, then games shouldn't be restricted either.
Visualante
Member
Hype -1
This game has always struck me as bordering the line even i think videogames should adhere to. You can argue that there have been plenty of films with similar themes as Manhunt or that censorship is bad but honestly I just think this is one game we could all do without, regardless of it's quality as an actual game.
Also, the BBFC hasnt banned anything, they have no power to do so, the reason Manhunt 2 wont be released is that retailers have independantly decided to not stock products the BBFC hasnt rated. It's their choice to do so. I'd imagine Manhunt 2 will still appear in some independant stores that decide to stock it.
Also, the BBFC hasnt banned anything, they have no power to do so, the reason Manhunt 2 wont be released is that retailers have independantly decided to not stock products the BBFC hasnt rated. It's their choice to do so. I'd imagine Manhunt 2 will still appear in some independant stores that decide to stock it.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
They're definitely rattling the cage just for attention, and that pisses me off because some of Rockstar's games are exceptional enough to not need to, but the only reason cage-rattling bothers me is because it invites censorship for all games. I am extremely against any sort of independent body telling adults what they can and cannot handle. No one is hurt in the creation of a game, it should have the same protection as art.
Ghost said:
Why? Why isn't there room for all types of games in this industry? So you don't like ultra violent games? That's cool, there are many others to choose from.
The market should decide if Manhunt 2 is acceptable or not... not government watchdogs.
Some of the responses here are amazing. I once had the belief that when our generation gets older an into major positions of power that there would be a more open mind when it comes to technology and free speech issues. But shit we have a bunch of little Jack Thompsons running around on this very forum. :lol
speculawyer
Member
All these problems and no Jack Thompson involved.
Somewhere he is laughing. :-/
Somewhere he is laughing. :-/
broadwayrock said:
That is 2 jurisdictions in Western Europe that usually are leniant towards such things putting an outright ban on it!
COMPLETELY rules out an English language PAL release with this news!! Horrible!
If I was an American or Canadian I would be optimistic of ever getting to play it, if going by reports that the ESRB are slightly more strict.
What are Rockstar/TTwo going to do now? A huge loss of money if you ask me, considering the Republic of Ireland, U.K (now banned) and more than likely Germany and Australia slapping a ban as well.
Rocked said:This kind of stuff gives amazing publicity though. Import sales of the PAL version will go through the roof. :lol
Couldn't they sell it in the adult DVD shops in Soho?
I think I would. I'm of the belief that if films, art and other mediums are allowed to tackle controversial and distressing subjects, then games shouldn't be restricted either.
I agree, but what if it was so gratuitous, so immoral, with no reflection of the damge your actions will have, nor any consequence to those actions, or in fact reward for it, what then?
Going into film, I remember when Scum was released, it was called to be banned also, due to it showing systematic abuse of children, as well as homosexual rape, however, it was an insightful and shocking insight into what Borstal really was like, and thus wasn't banned, if Manhunt 2 is seen to glorify violence in such a way as to be morally unacceptable, as well as not actually being an insight into anything more worthwhile than the warped mins of some people at Rockstar, surely that doesn't deserve release?
Ranger X said:
It's just my personal opinion that nothing good can come for a game with such a dark motif, Im not saying it's going to create a wave of murderous kids or anything, I just think its a subset of gaming that raises a lot of questions about the industry and doesn't do anything gameplay or experience wise to jusitify the stick the rest of the industry has to put up with because of it.
Ghost said:
Not true. Under the video recording act of 1984 'supplying or offering to supply an uncertificated video or game' is an offense carrying a maximum penalty of imprisonment for up to two years.
The BBFC has been given the job of classifying/certifying games and videos by the UK government, so retailers do have to obey their decisions.
Neo C. said:
Now, I don't mind a debate about the in/outs of the BBFC policy, as well as the pros/cons of censorship within the media with the some of the more intelligent people on this forum, but how do I argue with this? seriously, make a proper point or don't bother, debate is good, stupid comments like this, not so much.
Setanta said:
That is 2 jurisdictions in Western Europe that usually are leniant towards such things putting an outright ban on it!
COMPLETELY rules out an English language PAL release with this news!! Horrible!
If I was an American or Canadian I would be optimistic of ever getting to play it, if going by reports that the ESRB are slightly more strict.
What are Rockstar/TTwo going to do now? A huge loss of money if you ask me, considering the Republic of Ireland, U.K (now banned) and more than likely Germany and Australia slapping a ban as well.
The Benelux gets the English version. so does a lot of other countries in Europe.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
I'm confident NA will see its release. I can't recall an instance of a game being "Banned in Canada", or the US for that matter.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Son, they don't hate freedom. Look at all the fine work they've done in Iraq.Neo C. said:
Ninja Kn1ght
Member
broadwayrock said:
NOOOOO!
flipping_heck
Member
flipping heck!! PAL gamers like to get bent over all the time.. even though im not interested in Manhunt 2, this is another reason why a Wiiloader needs to come out ASAP
I can't believe people are supporting this.
Banning things is ok in order to avoid criticism in the press? What the hell?
I hope space flight starts advancing really fast, because there's no "undiscovered" lands left on Earth these days that I can sail to and I don't want to be around when these short-sighted neo-puritans actually enact all the changes they don't realize they stand for.
Banning things is ok in order to avoid criticism in the press? What the hell?
I hope space flight starts advancing really fast, because there's no "undiscovered" lands left on Earth these days that I can sail to and I don't want to be around when these short-sighted neo-puritans actually enact all the changes they don't realize they stand for.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Well, it is possible to survive being dropped by Walmart. Maxim magazine seems to do alright. As for Nintendo stripping the license, I'm confident of two things: First, that Nintendo is in this thing to make cash dollars, and second, that they sufficiently learned their (financial) lesson from censoring Mortal Kombat.Razoric said:
plagiarize
Banned
and i don't think anything good can come from censorship.Ghost said:
anyone who thinks banning effectively banning manhunt 2 will prevent further censorship in games is stupid.
Segata Sanshiro said:
If going by the clauses in Canada for games (although specific to 1 canadian province)- http://www.ofrb.gov.on.ca/english/page15.htm its a def no no. Lets hope not.
test_account
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deftangel said:
Ok tnx. I find that alittle wierd that Postal 2 went through eventho as mentioned earlier you dont have to be violent in the game to complete it. But still, alot of horrible things you can do in the game, like burn innocent people with gas and pee on the after, crazy stuff hehe
test_account said:Ok tnx. I find that alittle wierd that Postal 2 went through eventho as mentioned earlier you dont have to be violent in the game to complete it. But still, alot of horrible things you can do in the game, like burn innocent people with gas and pee on the after, crazy stuff hehe
From what I've seen on Manhunt 2, Postal 2 is far worse. Like you said, you could set 'innocent' people on fire and piss on them and there were racist undertones throughout the entire game.
I think Manhunt 2 is getting a lot of shit because of the Rockstar name.
Haunted
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afaik, PAL Wii versions adapt to your system's language, so you should do fine if you import the game from anywhere in PAL land. (Austria or Switzerland are safe bets).Setanta said:
That is 2 jurisdictions in Western Europe that usually are leniant towards such things putting an outright ban on it!
COMPLETELY rules out an English language PAL release with this news!! Horrible!
I think the game goes too far, but I'm not applauding this ban. I tried the first game on PC but got sick of it after the first two levels.Branduil said:
AltogetherAndrews
Member
Some dude got arrested for distributing Postal in Sweden, I wonder if the same thing will happen to Manhunt 2? Oh well, they pushed the envelope and it broke. Not exactly unexpected.
It was all over-the-top comedy though. Piss and kill comedy without much funny, but comedy nonetheless.
Razoric said:
It was all over-the-top comedy though. Piss and kill comedy without much funny, but comedy nonetheless.
Branduil said:
I did, but only a bit (I have to admit my ownership of a PS2 didn't last very long), but I have played to completion all of the GTA games (From the top down to today), and regularly enjoy killing people in CS, and have done for years, I am not against violent games, and to be fair I havent seen the current build of Manhunt 2, so I cannot comment on the game directly, but I respect the BBFC enough to realise that if they deem a game too hot to rate, I'll respect that.
I'll be honest here, society has shown on multiple occasions that it cannot be trusted as a whole, if it could, there wouldn't be any laws at all, and people would self regulate, the fact that statute books round the world are so huge reflects the fact that we cannot be trusted just to do what we want, and the media is included within that, in my honest opinion, any game/film that cannot pass through the BBFC has no place in retailers or for general release full stop.
Segata Sanshiro
Member
Well, I certainly hope they get to work on banning all the movies that contain violence on this level. WE HAVE TO PROTECT US FROM OURSELVES.
edit: ban football as well.
edit: ban football as well.
Ghost said:
So you know Manhunt2. You've played it. You undertand it's implications, the message it tells and you know about it's tasteless style of being "purely for shock".
I personally think this industry need games that push the envellope. We have to become more open minded to videogames if we want this medium to growth, sell more and becoming more respected. If movies would have stayed at the light comedy state of a Charlie Chaplin mute mini-film, movies wouldn't be the incredible production they are today. Don't read me as i would say "games need more violence", i'm just saying we shy before "different" content that what we are used to while Manhunt seems to tackle delicate stuff and i appreciate that. I would personally be surprised this game is tasteless.
Segata Sanshiro said:
That's the thing. Of all the things to ban, they ban something as culturally irrelevant as Manhunt 2... a game, if left alone, would be lucky to top 500k in sales worldwide.
Yet these high and mighty watchdogs have no problem letting mainstream graphic violence that reaches millions go right on through. But they care about the people right? :lol