Dubbedinenglish
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There was a Youtuber for DCS who I liked who made some slick production on his videos...Then they did a bloopers vid where there was plenty of N-word and Jewish jokes. Quickly deleted.
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Your milkshake duck
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SuperBanana
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Yeah.
Just some of the stuff he's said is beyond right-wing talk. It's like far-right factually incorrect racist shit. When people say PewDiePie is a nazi I think it's dumb, he's had some bad opinions and dumb comments but no where near on the level of Jon who went on a full blown tirade against blacks, purity in genetics, and all this nutty shit. The man is half Iranian too. wtf???
One side involves decency towards fellow human beings, the other side does not. They're not morally equivalent.
I don't think I have one. I've never been actually fussed by the personal beliefs or political advocacy of artists. I do however reserve the right to eye roll when some developer or celebrity goes on a political rant on twitter that basically amounts to whining that as a general rule, most people don't particularly care about the political beliefs of artists. They'll play a game or watch a film regardless of whether they agree with the author's beliefs or the message of the work. It's quite possible to enjoy Lord of the Rings regardless of whether you're a Republican or a Monarchist.
This was just silly. This kind of polarizing nonsense is of no practical use to anyone. This was a "Milkshake duck" moment for Trump supporters, I suppose. This developer actively hated them for their perfectly legitimate choice of failed businessman candidate.
Quite a few indie game developers in America are Planned Parenthood supporters, as are quite a few people in the film business. That's their business. It's their money, and they can do whatever they want with it. I think a vast majority of anti-abortion people wouldn't refuse to play <insert random game here> if they discovered that the lead developer was pro-abortion. It's really the vocal minority who get up in arms over the political allegiances or advocacy of artists.
I do understand people not being able to personally stomach an artist who advocates for something they find reprehensible, but the reality is that most people hold political stances someone on the other side of the fence finds reprehensible in some way.
Yeah, but sometimes you can reduce things to "Oh well that's just my opinion".
Like, if you can listen to JonTron's thoughts on the gene pool and still come away thinking "I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on white supremacy!" and still be able to find humor rather than disgust in his videos, then that's amazing.
IdreamofHIME
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Jimmy Saville
Adored him and that fucking show as a kid.
Adored him and that fucking show as a kid.
I'm pretty sure only France-GAF was affected, but the whole Bertrand Cantat thing hit me super hard. I still think about it and it's been 15 years
wait, what? what?! no! He's such a lovely soft gaming boy. What did he do? Nicholas!
I'm with you guys on the JonTron thing.
I'm somewhat iffy about Clint Eastwood. Though he's just a "grumpy old rich man" republican, and not an all out white-supremacy republican ... That's something, right?
It wasn't a huge shock, but it makes it hard to enjoy rewatching Firefly & Angel.
This developer actively hated them for their perfectly legitimate choice of failed businessman candidate.
No.
AtomskEater
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Jontron. Loved the guy's content, subbed to him when he left Game Grumps, and then the little comments that were side-eye worthy piled up and certain tweets were being dug up and then that interview happened. Don't know what Jontron's been up to lately, don't care.
Also the Longest Night (I think that's the title of the GG cyberpunk game). I went from being excited to not wanting to play it over the course of that fateful thread. Perfect example of Milkshake Duck, even happened on the anniversary of that tweet IIRC.
Also the Longest Night (I think that's the title of the GG cyberpunk game). I went from being excited to not wanting to play it over the course of that fateful thread. Perfect example of Milkshake Duck, even happened on the anniversary of that tweet IIRC.
AKingNamedPaul
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Dr. Carroll
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Which side is which, though?
In the case of something like supporting Planned Parenthood, anti-abortion people see that as supporting an organization complicit in mass murder in the region of tens of millions, and being opposed to basic human rights. Pro-abortion people see things quite differently. They see supporting Planned Parenthood as supporting human rights. They see access to abortion as a fundamental human right. Both sides will argue the other side is "not morally equivalent" until they're blue in the face.
There are many other less hot button issues where both sides see themselves as being completely justified, and on the side of goodness and decency. People like to think of themselves as the good guys.
I watched a lot of Game Grumps when they started out, watched every video of his, so Jontron spouting the most vile White Supremacist bullshit imaginable was quite a punch to the stomach.
Fuck that guy so, so much.
Only that one side has, you know, human rights and science on their side, while the others are fuckwits trying to reign over a woman's body and health in direct opposition to both. So no. Not both sides.
Fuck that guy so, so much.
Only that one side has, you know, human rights and science on their side, while the others are fuckwits trying to reign over a woman's body and health in direct opposition to both. So no. Not both sides.
And he directed Letters from Iwo Jima, Invictus and Gran Torino, so I'd say you could rest easy on any concerns about his identity politics.
At least... that's what I like to tell myself to make me sleep better.
darkwing-buck
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Yeah it's a little muddy with Clint. I still love him...I think.
Why would you do that?
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Sure, we may have our disagreements, and many people don't care about political views, but there's a big difference between "he disagrees with my political views" and "he hates me and people like me". Many "political views" are really just the latter, and they are extremely hurtful, especially if you're targeted by them.
It's important to not handwave hate as a difference of opinion, though fortunately people are increasingly calling others out for it.
Choppasmith
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You'd be surprised. He's the voice actor for Tiesel Bonne in the Mega Man Legends games. Real shame :/
Anyway, I'd have to say my Uncle actually. Growing up, he seemed like the cool "John Candy" type of guy but living with him this part decade (it's kinda like a long term house sitting arrangement we have where he's gone most of the time as a truck driver) he's pretty much the worst human being I know. He throws really dumb tantrums, lacks any sort of tact or empathy, has very egocentric tastes (loves to go on and on about what HE likes and what HE knows but really couldn't care less about what others like). And while I wouldn't say he constantly spouts conservative garbage, he's definitely the most conservative/right leaning in our family. Hell, just the other day, he thought he'd tell a joke saying "What's the best time to drive in L.A.? 10am on Sunday. The Catholics and Christians are in church, the Jews are at the golf course, (something about Mexicans and Asians I forget), and the blacks are all in jail." He breaks out laughing like he's just so damned tickled. My sister calls him out for being racist, but he just shrugs it off.
I'm really ashamed to be related to him.
Moose Biscuits
It would be extreamly painful...
Yeah, the whole JonTron thing sucked. I still find myself quoting his stuff then catching myself doing it.
It's got to the point where if any of the people/personalities I still enjoy are secretly pieces of shit, that I hope they keep that shit hidden until long after I stop enjoying their content.
It's got to the point where if any of the people/personalities I still enjoy are secretly pieces of shit, that I hope they keep that shit hidden until long after I stop enjoying their content.
Because anti-abortion people will argue that a woman should bring a child to term, even if person was a victim of rape, or even if having a child will destroy her life. More often than not, it's a bunch of old white dudes making decisions for women based in religious codes that don't apply for all people.
So if you're going to retort that there is validity in these people responding that this woman never should have been having sex in the first place if she wasn't ready for a child, no matter how many precautions she may make (which a lot of pro-lifers do), I'm going to say no, that's not a valid belief.
If a woman took serious issue that some famous person she idolized believing they had any say in her sex life and her body, she is well within her right to say "fuck that" and not want anything to do with him. There are celebrities who have made it clear they would have a problem with someone even looking like me in the same room as them, I am within my right to blacklist any of my interest in them.
Instead of this horseshit "both sides are the same" act, why don't you express the views some of the "milkshake ducks" hold both here on GAF and in daily life and then let us know how that goes for you. "Fuck Trump" is not the same as "Fuck mixing gene pools". That's not particularly difficult to understand. You're purposefully using the one example that's most morally ambiguous (though I'd argue Republicans wanting dominion over a woman's body isn't moral in the slightest) while ignoring the examples posted in the thread. Which view expressed by, say, JonTron is the equivalent of "I don't like that politician"?
Dr. Carroll
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This is exactly what I'm talking about. The pro-abortion people is convinced that their position is the one rooted in facts and "human rights", and the anti-abortion side is convinced that their position is the one rooted in facts and "human rights". Each sees the other as trying to deny human beings their basic rights. And they're going to fight to preserve and advance human rights, as they understand them, until the cows come home.
The OP's example of the Last Night involved a debate around "modern feminism" and whether it's good or bad, or whether it has negative potential. As you might imagine, anti-abortion people do not see eye-to-eye with certain factions within feminism that are pro-abortion to the point of basing their identity around it and excluding anyone who isn't like-minded. If you say, "modern feminism" = "pro-abortion", then I'd say a lot of anti-abortion people would view "modern feminism" as "evil", or at least complicit in bad things. But this is very complicated. Because both sides see themselves as the good guys and both sides have pretty decent arguments at the end of the day.
Nope
Messofanego
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The Nirvana album?
I can't wait to read your nonsense justifications as to why white supremicists who think black people are genetically inferior to white people aren't really all that bad and why it's totally both sides fault when you get sexually harassed on Twitter. Rape is probably fine too, I suppose, the rapist just has a different view on things, you know.
If you want to make a "both sides are bad" discussion, then sure, go for it, but this is probably the dumbest thread to do so.
Jontron for me, laughed so much at his videos and then suddenly
Jontron for me too. Used to think he was the funniest dude on Youtube.
Though in hindsight I should've known after the shit he pulled during the Sonic 2006 Game Grumps.
Shoulda jumped off the JonTron train right here, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt for some reason. Great job, Htown.
No.
Maybe that's just because I'm from germany and half the country doesn't consist of christian extremists but seeing how abortion is still a topic of political arguments in the US is nothing but sad and utterly unbelievable. If you are trying to argue that the side who thinks feminism is evil because OF COURSE a feminist inherently wants a woman to be able to decide over her own body and health has "decent" arguments, then please, do that in its own thread and get pummeled over there. This is not about that.
I've honestly gotten hit with a lot of the big ones. Nick Robinson is probably the one that feels the most milkshake ducky to me. JonTron is the one I was impacted the most by it but it was more of a gradual realization (since he had been saying shitty things for years before his full blown alt-right tirades).
I just mean thinking back to all the fun I had watching his stuff in the past. It's all awash with confused anger.
Dr. Carroll
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This thread isn't specifically about JonTron, though. JonTron falls into a rather uneasy category. I don't think his views are really defensible. Some of the things JonTron has said are very unpleasant. He's also prone to completely misinterpreting data in order to draw an arguably racist conclusion. Dude is a wanker, to put it simply. JonTron isn't one of those cases where you can actually build an argument to support him. He's just plain wrong on a factual level.
However, traditional Judaism does not allow Jews to marry non-Jews. That's their religion. And their ethnicity, a lot of the time. There are other religions with similar stances. Is this racism? Is this a bad thing? How do we engage with this, if we disagree, while respecting people's religious traditions? I don't think there are any easy answers to that. I think JonTron is wrong, but I feel there's a lot of baggage that kinda gets glossed over.
This is a good first post. SP was amazing back in the 90s during Saimese Dream/Melancholy even Adore era. The ballad alt-rock emo band all teens could relate to. Tons and tons of songs released and unreleased and Corgan could fucking shred on the guitar. Live shows deviated into epic 10+ min jams, basically SP was amazing.
Then 2000s come and everyone finds out old creepy Corgan is wtfffffffffffff and new SP is making songs for car commercials -_-
This one sucked.
...especially for all those guys and gals who got SP heart tattoos :X
FreeMufasa
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Rah. How was this not the end of him
Mr. Smiley
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In that era of Game Grumps, him and Arin made jokes like that under a context that they know it was bad, and that playful censorship was the joke.
Of course we know now Jon was on some other shit.
Yep, this was mine. Him "getting weird" is putting it lightly though, dude was full on Tea Party/Obama birther/Gamergater. He also tweeted out some racist stuff, which is why he deletes all his tweets every so often now. Pretty sure he's a Trump supporter too.
Oh no.... that sucks, I loved Johnny Quest as a kid.
Messofanego
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Tom Cruise (scientology)
Gal Gadot (IDF support during Palestine bombing)
James Woods (ultra conservative nutcase)
Doug TenNapel (bigot)
Nick Robinson (sexual harassment)
Tim Soret (gamergate)
Woody Allen (sexual abuse)
Roman Polanski (pedophile)
Laci Green (transphobia)
Jim Carrey (anti vaxxer)
Frank Miller (bigot)
JonTron (white nationalist)
Zakir Naik (ultra conservative Islamic scholar)
Gal Gadot (IDF support during Palestine bombing)
James Woods (ultra conservative nutcase)
Doug TenNapel (bigot)
Nick Robinson (sexual harassment)
Tim Soret (gamergate)
Woody Allen (sexual abuse)
Roman Polanski (pedophile)
Laci Green (transphobia)
Jim Carrey (anti vaxxer)
Frank Miller (bigot)
JonTron (white nationalist)
Zakir Naik (ultra conservative Islamic scholar)
You originally came in to draw attention to how both "sides" are bad with this really out of place and off-topic false equivalence:
And then you went on to reiterate that both "sides" feel they are right, so everything is cool in the end. Milkshakes for all. Do you understand how odd and out place such an argument is in a thread about people saying heinous shit? You've yet to provide any example as to how the awful views expressed by those ostracized (the "milkshake ducks") are equivalent to a developer telling Trump supporters to go away. It looks a hell of a lot like a drive-by defense of Trump, those disparaged in the thread, and an opportunity to say that the other "side" is just as bad.
Is Jim Carrey still on the antivaxxer bullshit? He hasn't talked about it in so long that I thought maybe he changed his opinion.
Username1198
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Mel Gibson
Man I used to love Mel so much. Fucking guy shoulda just kept his mouth shut.
Edit niioooooooo not Jim Carey !
Man I used to love Mel so much. Fucking guy shoulda just kept his mouth shut.
Edit niioooooooo not Jim Carey !
Messofanego
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Jim Carrey Slams California School Vaccine Legislation: It's "Poisoning More Children"
That was recently in 2015.
Dr. Carroll
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Does this include the awful view that abortion should be legal? A lot of people hold arguably reprehensible views. It's stupid to get worked up about them. That's what I was trying to get at. Donald Trump and his fans are just an example of a developer saying mean things about a political demographic.
If someone posted, "If you are a supporter of feminism, don't buy our game. Fuck off!" would you feel the same way? That would be a very unpleasant thing to post. It was poor form to say such things about Trump supporters who might want to experience their game.
There needs to be more self-reflection, is what I'm saying. You likely hold views that I or someone else finds reprehensible. How would you like it if someone organized an internet hate mob against you?
Adam Baldwin helped coin the whole Gamergate term, and was a known piece of shit well before that. There's a thread in Gaming right now about Nick Robinson being accused of sexual harassment.
ZombiePlatypus
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1) Earthworm Jim's TeNaple, 2) The author for Ender's Game. (How the fuck are you gonna pen a series of books about compassion towards those different than us, then outwardly hate people who are different irl?)
JonnyDBrit
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Unfortunately so many.
In terms of major people, I'm one of the millions of non-Londoners who got swindled by Boris Johnson's playful persona, and only realised how disgusting he is as he showed his true colours for the EU Referendum.
In terms of e-celebrity, since Jontron has already been said a bunch, I'll go with Notch. Originally followed him since hey, creator of Minecraft, and I've seen some people who I respect fave or RT some good stuff from him. But time went on, and I realised one of the most popular games of all time was made by a bigoted jerk - glad he doesn't have his hands on the game anymore.
I've also had a few personal cases though. Friends I used to think just sat slightly differently on the political spectrum, but the last year or so has made them increasingly bold in showing what they really believe. Left one forum entirely as a result of the chief admins - who I had been on pretty good terms with previously - being so damned toxic.
In terms of major people, I'm one of the millions of non-Londoners who got swindled by Boris Johnson's playful persona, and only realised how disgusting he is as he showed his true colours for the EU Referendum.
In terms of e-celebrity, since Jontron has already been said a bunch, I'll go with Notch. Originally followed him since hey, creator of Minecraft, and I've seen some people who I respect fave or RT some good stuff from him. But time went on, and I realised one of the most popular games of all time was made by a bigoted jerk - glad he doesn't have his hands on the game anymore.
I've also had a few personal cases though. Friends I used to think just sat slightly differently on the political spectrum, but the last year or so has made them increasingly bold in showing what they really believe. Left one forum entirely as a result of the chief admins - who I had been on pretty good terms with previously - being so damned toxic.
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