Urban Scholar
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Hey guys, I heard that Italy will be seeing Jojolion. I'm happy for Italian Jojo fans and still sad for us in the US area : (
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Jojo's Bizarre Adventure |OT| Get back, Stand up
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Sir Ilpalazzo
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One of his alternate colors is the white color scheme.
Very good. It starts in April. Going to pick it up alongside the deluxe reprint of Vento Aureo...
This situation is why I'm hopeful ASB will come to Europe.
A man can dream...
Tizoc
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I can see it gettnig a non-English release in Europe.
I like this one more.
This implies there are people out there that understand Gold Experience Requiem's ability, which, as we all know, is impossible.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
What I hate in the Part III OVA is Dio's terrible VA.
Its not that hard.. Its trap you in dimension where you die over and over again.
Now if we talking about King Crimson...
SolarKnight
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You could pretty much sum up King Crimson as "effect without cause" and GER as "cause without effect".
English or Japanese?
English or Japanese?
Urban Scholar
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I like this one more.
ahaha I like this. I'd love to have higher resolution of htis.
SolarKnight
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I don't think there is one, or at least I don't remember having seen one.
Man I really want that phone D:
...wait, this thing came with F-Mega?
Werewolf Jones
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It's the worst of the bunch out of the Japanese cast, Capcom game Dio is the best IMO.
SolarKnight
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I blame D4C.
Come on, you know that's not true. King Crimson is far easier to understand.
GER is all over the place. I get that it creates a loop in which Diavolo keep dying, but then there's the part in the morgue (or hospital, wherever) where he thinks he's alive but he isn't, or something like that.
It's crazy.
SolarKnight
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It's definitely confusing like King Crimson, but I'd say it's more of a case of them not being explained well enough in-story. Dunno how much the original translations are at fault there.
Found the video I wanted to use as "evidence"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJRLEGHWe4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-uftqtusQk
Speaking of time-changing stands, here's a few of them set to the Battle Tendency opening.
Speaking of time-changing stands, here's a few of them set to the Battle Tendency opening.
So you understand why the characters can tell King Crimson has been used to remove a few seconds because of a cat's footprints / some blood droplets appearing out of nowhere when, in other occasions, we're told that those consequences shouldn't even be there at all (Diavolo getting shot by Aerosmith -> nope, never happened)?
SolarKnight
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There's nothing different in those examples at all. In the second one, the bullets are right where they should normally be after the time skip, the only thing KC did was erase the time when they were going through his body. It's like if you were going from point A, to point B, then to point C, but KC makes it so that it's just directly from point A to point C while ignoring point B if that makes any sense.
Why are the cat's footprints on Giorno there, then? They happened during the skip. Like Diavolo's wounds. But those are gone.
I thought KC only affecting target and user, the "cause" still there is proof KC's effect working.
SolarKnight
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Because Diavolo is the only one that can do anything at all during said skipped time, in the same way Dio and Jotaro can move when they freeze time.
Like I've said before, it's just easier to think of KC and GER in terms of cause and effect anyways.
Like I've said before, it's just easier to think of KC and GER in terms of cause and effect anyways.
Not following you, sorry...
Aerosmith's bullets are at point A -> they do something at point B (pierce Diavolo's skull) -> they reach point C
The cat is at point A -> it does something at point B (walk over Giorno) -> it reaches point C
In the first case, it's as if B never happened: the wounds are gone. In the second, the footprints are still there, and that's actually how the characters realize something is up.
You were saying there's no difference, but it sure looks like there is to me. Or are you now saying that there's an exception there because the Stand "only affects target and user" (whah)?
Boy, I miss Part 4...
SolarKnight
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Ok, let me fix that a little. The only difference is that one of those was going to directly affect Diavolo. Everything that would've happened happened (the cat walking/the bullets going through the air), thing is, in the second example, you could say that Diavolo just got out of the way of the bullets during the skipped time and that's why he didn't get injured.
I'm going to rephrase that. It's like instead of going A->B->C, you go directly A->C but keeping the results of everything that would've happened in B even though it never did.
Unless you're Diavolo, then you just do whatever the fuck you want during B while nobody else can (except GER).
I'm going to rephrase that. It's like instead of going A->B->C, you go directly A->C but keeping the results of everything that would've happened in B even though it never did.
Unless you're Diavolo, then you just do whatever the fuck you want during B while nobody else can (except GER).
"You could say", because that's not what is shown nor what is explained... ^^;
Yes?
The Cat's footprint gonna still there unless KC kill cat when its activates the power. because the Cat still walking afterall.
Contrary to the most beliefs, KC didn't fuck up time at all, or the bullet not gonna flew at all.
KC just jump back to point A and try to affect something in that time range.
Its like the sands of time in modern Prince of Persia game.
Btw gosh.. what a trainwreck of Stand. D4C >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that POS.
EDIT : Wait this still make no sense.
SolarKnight
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Honestly, I don't remember that exact part, so I'm just explaining the situation with how I understand it works.
It was during the Doppio vs Risotto fight, right? I'm quickly checking and it looks he never actually got hit and it was something about Metallica.
Edit: Nvm I see that part now.
Edit 2: Ok, not exactly sure how to explain it, but it's definitely because of the Diavolo being the only one able to do anything during skipped time thing.
It was during the Doppio vs Risotto fight, right? I'm quickly checking and it looks he never actually got hit and it was something about Metallica.
Edit: Nvm I see that part now.
Edit 2: Ok, not exactly sure how to explain it, but it's definitely because of the Diavolo being the only one able to do anything during skipped time thing.
Whah? What does killing the cat have anything to do with that? Were the bullets killed at some point? ^^;
It's a bit better, but not by much... Anything after the Part 5 endgame, basically...
That's not how the explanation goes at all though. Besides, if Diavolo could get out of the way, he wouldn't need a particular time-related ability for that.
Diavolo avoid the cause of bullet? What he doing to the cats to erase the cause? (btw which page is this?)
I think we can only undesrtand what exactly KC is if we know what the hell happened when he analyze "future.
What the hell happening here.
SolarKnight
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Yeah, it's not him literally getting out of the way. It seems more like that nothing that happens during point B affects him because those events are deleted even though their effect remains on everything else, but he can affect the things that will happen at point C since he's the only one that still experiences point B (see Narancia's death).
Agh, I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear really...
Agh, I'm not sure if I'm making myself clear really...
I'm not sure what that's that supposed to mean, sorry. The bullets are fired. If there weren't, Risotto wouldn't die, for one thing.
Same thing as for the bullets: nothing.
Basically.
He avoid it? Its hit Risotto then.
Btw this is interesting, with this scenario.
What supposed to happen with the cat then?
A. Its reaching point C without footprint (What)
B. The Cats not moving from initial place
For A case, so we assuming when Aerosmith shoot Diavolo, KC erase the time when bullet hit Diavolo then poof its hit Risotto?
I just don't think KC's work like that, like you cutting certain frame when making .gif,
Example : we make .gif of gun bullet that hitting two person, then we erase just frame with person A left only person B that got hit.
I think its similar to that concept but not exactly like that. I don't think he erase stuff like that. He just erase time to buy enough time to take action : evading hit, hiding, attack target.
What I'm saying is if the cats not got screwed in point B the result should still remained.
For B case, KC DO NOT Cancel anything, its missing the point of the abilities.
See above: that's not what happens nor what's explained, and if he could simply avoid the bullets by moving, why the need for a time-related ability in the first place?
Well, that's what happens with the bullets...
That example works for the cat, but not so much for the bullets: even if you don't see A when he gets shot, he should still be wounded at the end of the gif.
Not what it says at all. It says that "everything in the world" disappeared during that timespan, and "only the results remained". That's the explanation we're given for the bullets not hitting Diavolo.
And by that same logic, Giorno shouldn't have cat footprints all over him.
In short: it makes no sense.
Wow yay Jojo thread , I'm in .
Part 3 final battle is the most epic manga fight in my heart ever . Proud to own my copy
Glad that Jojo Anniversary campaign really push up Jojo manga's popularity alot . 10 years back I really felt that I'm reading it alone . /shed manly tears
My arcs ranking btw : Stardust Crusader > Vento Aureo > Battle Tendency > Phantom Blood > Steel ball Run = Stone Ocean = Diamond Unbreakable . Still catching up Jojolion .
And for King Crimson ability , I still got mindfcked occasionally even on 3rd readings .
Part 3 final battle is the most epic manga fight in my heart ever . Proud to own my copy
Glad that Jojo Anniversary campaign really push up Jojo manga's popularity alot . 10 years back I really felt that I'm reading it alone . /shed manly tears
My arcs ranking btw : Stardust Crusader > Vento Aureo > Battle Tendency > Phantom Blood > Steel ball Run = Stone Ocean = Diamond Unbreakable . Still catching up Jojolion .
And for King Crimson ability , I still got mindfcked occasionally even on 3rd readings .
SolarKnight
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Personally, I believe this is the most important thing we can take from the trailer.
Tizoc
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Man...the early volumes SBR need to be retranslated, I'm having a friggin' hard time appreciating the Scary Monsters arc since the translation feels like translated text than characters actually speaking @_@.
...I am however starting to figure out why and how Dio attained his Stand.
EDIT: Regarding King Crimson, let's just all agree that it's main ability is to alter reality, and to erase one's perception of times and events during a set period of time due to the reality alteration.
...I am however starting to figure out why and how Dio attained his Stand.
When Gyro merged with the Turbo Eye he was able to control his Steel Ball which was in Dio's hand. Based off this we can assume that the Eyes offer 'control over something', and thus Dio chose to 'control' the effects of Ferdinand's Stand, which in turn allowed him to have it as his Stand or at least have the ability to transform into a Dinosaur
EDIT: Regarding King Crimson, let's just all agree that it's main ability is to alter reality, and to erase one's perception of times and events during a set period of time due to the reality alteration.
Out_Of_Ammo
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Fixed.
Personally, I believe this is the most important thing we can take from the trailer.
Tizoc
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Just finished True Man's World arc in SBR, I'm a little sleepy as I type this but could someone clear this up for me:
Ringo attempts to force people to challenge him because he can only feel alive in a showdown of death, and is his way to achieving enlightment or some such. While his Stand would seem to be cheating, he informs them of its ability, really to challenge himself; to have this advantage overcome.
EDIT: Oh and can some explain Gyro's joke after he beats Ringo?
Ringo attempts to force people to challenge him because he can only feel alive in a showdown of death, and is his way to achieving enlightment or some such. While his Stand would seem to be cheating, he informs them of its ability, really to challenge himself; to have this advantage overcome.
EDIT: Oh and can some explain Gyro's joke after he beats Ringo?
Urban Scholar
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bulleyes sir.
The four finger thing? Yeah, I never got that as well...
Out_Of_Ammo
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Is it the joke where he's saying every day of the week and suddenly becomes retarded? Because the only thing I found funny about that were his faces
Gyro says 'Shitsurei' which means 'excuse me'.
Now 'shi' is four, 'tsu'' is how they would say the english 'two' and 'rei' is 'zero'.
So he goes from four fingers to two fingers to a zero with his thumb and forefinger.
Joke is kinda dumb to be honest.
Is it the joke where he's saying every day of the week and suddenly becomes retarded? Because the only thing I found funny about that were his faces
Yeah I never got this one either.
The faces are pretty hilarious though. The jokes are one of the reasons the Johnny-Gyro Bromance is the greatest thing ever. I love those two so much.
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