I'm only okay with this since Reach MP is one of the smoothest you can get on consoles. I'm still sad though console shooter developers don't see the importance in dedicated servers for smooth online experiences. I don't see 343 doing that here either unfortunately.
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Halo |OT2| Hyper-Athletic Speed And Mass And Weight and Power
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I'm only okay with this since Reach MP is one of the smoothest you can get on consoles. I'm still sad though console shooter developers don't see the importance in dedicated servers for smooth online experiences. I don't see 343 doing that here either unfortunately.
I can't see it working when everyone has sprint and (potentially) a jetpack. It's for reasons like this that I'm hoping for no remakes, at all. Build them with Halo 4's suite of movement options in mind.
What really broke Guardian was that the Red Team could get to both Camo and Overshield before the Blue Team. Red also got sniper and hammer, and the mauler at one point. Blue got a near-useless shotgun (because their side was infinitely more assailable) and...a couple of plasma rifles.
It was incredibly difficult for blue to rush red at the beginning, either using the cannon or the center routes, because the Overshield guy was functionally invincible for ten seconds while Halo 3's slow ass overshield charge finished. Once the initial rush failed, it was just easy pickings with the sniper half the time.
Map had some big problems, MLG variant was good though, not that it excuses anything.
also,
Beaver Creek, Lockout, Midship, Waterworks, The Pit, Warlock, Sanctuary, Turf, Zanzibar, Headlong.
The Librarian
Banned
I'm pretty sure Frankie, somewhere, said there were going to be remakes. It was on the day of the Xbox Showcase reveal back in early March.
Most of the stuff you mention isn't a problem outside the beginning of the match. Certainly Guardian's problematic weapon placements and pick-ups were never a factor in determining the victor. I think they're really minor problems at best. All it takes are a couple of tweaks, and the MM variation is still good I think. I always have fun regardless of which team I spawn as.
Steelyuhas
Member
I saw your comment on Sanctuary earlier and I (sadly) agree. What I agree with even more is maps like Guardian and Lockout just don't strike me as working well with AA's.
I think you're probably right. Trying to shoehorn fundamentally altered gameplay onto these old maps will not only destroy our memories of these older maps but also make us more frustrated with Halo 4.
It's not even a case of playing them without AAs either, because Sprint isn't even considered an AA now, rather a base trait that everyone possesses.
I know. I didn't mean to imply there would not be (poor wording on my part), just that I wish there were not.
Unless it's Waterworks.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Reach remakes didn't work for me. Zealot was pretty good, but those maps just weren't designed for armor abilities at all.
edit: woops, beaten multiple times.
edit: woops, beaten multiple times.
I'm curious to see how jetpack will be. I can't imagine them keeping it the same.
Especially with Active Camo Attack Dogs.
I'll just play in the Team Slayer - No Attack Dog - No AA playlist.
Population: 5
Whilst it's obvious with Kyle, I'm actually being facetious.
I would say the initial rush being a completely lopsided affair is a pretty big deal, and with a good team that design, in practice, cements their holdings of the most powerful spot on the map as long as they make smart decisions. That placement absolutely plays a huge role in determining the victor. They hold the spot where all the best stuff is.
The Librarian
Banned
Yeah I was kind of confused. My apologies. But I do agree with your sentiment that Sprint and Guardian would probably not go well together. Guardian is too narrow and small to be accommodating of Sprint. I dunno. It's just a funny feeling I got.
Not judging from the recent games I've played on the map. The whole setup pretty much becomes a non-factor after the first five or so kills. Everything is pretty fluid and both sides of the map change hands regularly. Maybe you've experienced differently, but that's been my experience (even recently).
Frank's comment about X-Ray being something a good player tries and immediately picks something else, makes me think that it has a very short range. Like probably just for looking around a wall of a base you're about to go into. Still lame, but I don't believe it will cover the entire map...
I understand jet packs and evade not working for certain (all) maps, but I don't see how sprint ruins them.
You cannot use Forerunner Vision to see players anywhere on the map. Absolutely not.
Ha! Every post you make the game sounds better and better. I can't wait for full context, because the things that worried me probably all have limits and such and really won't be that big of a deal.
Can you use jetpack to get anywhere on the map?
xxjuicesxx
Member
Shadowrun had x-ray vision...
For X-Ray vision, steal another feature from Shadowrun, when someone uses X-Ray vision, other players have a visual/audio and controller vibrating cue to tell them they are getting wallhacked. Increase the intensity the closer the person is that is using X-ray vision. This is how Enhanced Vision works in Shadowrun, you can actually predict where a EV user is by the intensity of the cue, and I've seen people get kills on EV users because they could tell how far they were away from them and knew the map well.
EDIT: Here's a clip demonstrating what I am talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1iMdZOG-s
EDIT: Here's a clip demonstrating what I am talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK1iMdZOG-s
Mostly just that on very small maps like Guardian and Sanctuary, having players able to zip from one base to another or from location to location very quickly will have a big impact on the ebb and flow of combat. Trying to return a flag when the entire team has sprint by default, for instance, or cap one when everyone catches up to you twice as fast as before. This is less of an issue on larger maps when players are further from one another.
I won't say that it can't work, just that they'll play very differently, and that the new abilities should be something to consider when desiring a remake. Not all maps will play well with them.
Reach is a constant reminder that remakes dropped into a new combat sandbox are not a guarantee of success. I haven't enjoyed a single one of Reach's remakes anywhere near as much as the originals, and a large part of the reason why are the AA's. (Jetpack on Reflection, for instance.)
Can you use jetpack to get anywhere on the map?
You use a magic teleport power to phase in directly behind opposing players in melee range, armed with plasma nades. The only thing that can prevent this, is a giant mech named MechaKyleJ, which stands around flailing its arms until we get down to freeze frame.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Not sure how I feel about jetpack making its return. I was kind of hoping for thrusters/double jump/wall jump. I'm all bout dat parkour feel.
I'll take your evasive answer as a confirmation that jetpack is unchanged and still breaks the game. Feelsbadman.jpg
Is there any time frame on the podcast to clear up all this "misconception" about Halo 4?
Hypertrooper
Member
Can someone edit Frankie's head on GI Cortanas Body in the next twenty minutes?
There can be no other list besides this one. Fact.
Thanks Frankie for all the clarifications, much appreciated.
Thanks for the in-depth reply, your posts always make too much sense
Lockout never made it back. We got Guardian, Blackout, The Cage, Uncaged, but never Lockout
My 7 maps:
Chillout
Lockout
Midship
Sanctuary
Warlock
Beaver Creek
The Pit
(so yeah, H2 >>>>>>> H1 > H3 >>> Reach in terms of maps)
I also love maps like Sidewinder or Valhalla, but since I'm more of a 4v4 guy I couldn't sacrifice any spots for those two.
No, absolutely, you SHOULD want the game to be its best. (Even if what YOU think is its best is not what I think is its best.)
But you can't really expect people to engage you in a discussion about that if all of your comments boil down to "IT SUCKS!" and "IT'S FANTASTIC!" (look at those two quotes again) in nearly the same breath.
A lot of people on GAF dislike armor abilities. I get that. And they're disappointed that 343 would ignore their unhappiness and bring those armor abilities back for the next game. I get that, too. (They're disregarding the fact that this community is NOT the bulk of 343's market, but that's fine - almost all sub-communities do that.) What bothers me is that 343 has said, over and over and over again, that they've heard the complaints and concerns, and developed a game that addresses some of these - but the majority of posters are ignoring that and jumping to conclusions because they simply cannot imagine HOW someone could include armor abilities that they might live with.
And I fully agree that when all is said and done, and the game comes out, we MIGHT find that what we get is exactly what the complainers have been worried about. At THAT point, they'd have every right in the world to bitch and scream and vote with their wallets, and find another game to play. But who knows? Maybe they'll find something they actually like!
We're a bit over half a year from release. We're past the point where major features can be added or removed - things you're worried about are either IN THE GAME, or NOT IN THE GAME. (Hmm. I could be wrong about that, I guess. I don't think so, though.) All this yelling about 'preorder cancelled' and 'I'm never buying another 343 product again' is absurd - until you actually know what you're talking about.
That's all I was saying.
Thanks for the in-depth reply, your posts always make too much sense
I want Lockout back....again
Lockout never made it back. We got Guardian, Blackout, The Cage, Uncaged, but never Lockout
My 7 maps:
Chillout
Lockout
Midship
Sanctuary
Warlock
Beaver Creek
The Pit
(so yeah, H2 >>>>>>> H1 > H3 >>> Reach in terms of maps)
I also love maps like Sidewinder or Valhalla, but since I'm more of a 4v4 guy I couldn't sacrifice any spots for those two.
This explains a lot.
Don't forget Instant Respawn, lol. I can't imagine how terrible it will be to try and run a flag with Sprint and Instant Respawn, what a mess that would be.
Rickenslacker
Banned
I really liked Turf. Not even talking about the map's layout or anything but just what it was. A little section of Old Mombasa with a Scarab crashed into it. I always liked spots like that in Halo 2's campaign, and it's also partly why I like ODST's hub.
Steelyuhas
Member
You have to assume that objective games like Flag will have respawn timers. They do in COD.
Objective gametypes are also not a part of matchmaking in Halo, so you don't have to worry about it.
David Ellis on instant respawns in objective: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=36742283&postcount=798
I have no proof, but pretty sure its already been said that objective games will not feature instant respawn.
Edit: Beaten.
Also, for all we know instant respawn will only be in social playlists, but they can't say that as they have yet to solidify or announce ranks and ranked playlists.
Edit: Beaten.
Also, for all we know instant respawn will only be in social playlists, but they can't say that as they have yet to solidify or announce ranks and ranked playlists.
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
The worst thing about instant respawns for me? Knowing that I don't have the few required seconds to play "drink when you die: halo edition" with my friends.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Elzar already did, 2 or 3 days ago.
Don't have it at hand.
Thanks, I kept looking for this in the community thread.
Tha Robbertster
Member
David Ellis said something along the lines that instant respawning won't be in objective gametypes.
EDIT: Beaten like a naughty child.
Hypertrooper
Member
search for it. It would be nice. Otherwise where the fuck is elzar if you need him?
But you do... The article says "there's no delay on respawn after death; a tap on the X button sends you right back into the action." That means you merely have the option to instantly respawn. What we don't know yet is what happens if you don't. Do you get spawned in automatically after a certain amount of time, or do you get kicked from the game if you don't come back in?
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