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ME3, NG3:RE, Batman, EM2, WO3, BLOPS2, Darksiders 2 have technical issues on Wii U
- Thread starter Nibel
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TheGreatDivide
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Calm down, Nibel. You just had a brain fart. We'll all ignore your display and pretend it never happened.
What would your guess be as to what component is responsible for the ostensible "bottleneck"?
Because Sony tried the PS2 method of having devs work with exotic hardware and it bit them in the ass this gen.
KillerTravis
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Alien Colonial Marines will supposedly look better on Wii U.
GhostTrick
Banned
I just have a question.
Considering ZOE HD performs worse, or Silent Hill HD looks worse than the PS2 versions, does it mean PS3 and Xbox 360 are clearly not more powerfull than PS2 ?
Considering ZOE HD performs worse, or Silent Hill HD looks worse than the PS2 versions, does it mean PS3 and Xbox 360 are clearly not more powerfull than PS2 ?
TheGreatMightyPoo
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No wonder EA was a in the finals for worst company of 2012 on that one consumer "March Madness" type tournament.
Did they win(lose) the championship???
I forget.
Did they win(lose) the championship???
I forget.
I wasn't aware ME3 Wii U was rendering at 4k resolution.
See above.I just have a question.
Considering ZOE HD performs worse, or Silent Hill HD looks worse than the PS2 versions, does it mean PS3 and Xbox 360 are clearly not more powerfull than PS2 ?
If I had to guess? CPU FP performance.
TheGreatDivide
Banned
Its not the same game
quoting a gaffer who asked this question:
so the wii u will have the problems the vita's having, but in console form.
If we're going to do this lol: My beast of a gaming PC with an i7 2700k and dual 7850 GPUs is also inferior to the 360. Damn you Saints Row 2 for exposing this
It's a bad launch port, dudes. No need to get your knickers in a twist. This isn't an industry first.
You must have missed tony hawk and gun
GhostTrick
Banned
So let me get this straight great Durante
There are not many Xbox -> Xbox 360 ports, I only remember Gun and maybe a few Activision/EA titles like Tony Hawk (?)
Now, I assume that the 360 has in some way a similiar architecture to the Xbox which should make it easy to port games from the XBox to the 360
But now he's "wondering" why the Wii U can't run ports from the 360 - consoles of two different companies and not 1:1 same architecture
Maybe I'm wrong, so please enlighten me how this is the same thing (serious question)
Yes because all those shitty unoptimized console-to-pc ports prove the point that better hardware fixes lazy developer problems.
KillerTravis
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I just have a question.
Considering ZOE HD performs worse, or Silent Hill HD looks worse than the PS2 versions, does it mean PS3 and Xbox 360 are clearly not more powerfull than PS2 ?
No, but Bayonetta and the Black Ops series run like shit on a PS3. Sony released the system a whole year after the Xbox 360 and they still couldn't put better hardware than a 360 inside it.
Not sure why you are saying it to us--we don't have the fin-foil hats on.
The company has been working on this since before ME3 even launched.
TheGreatDivide
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I played TH. But the graphical improvement was there, at least it ran in HD and shit. It's not quite the same as "the exact same game with the exact same graphics" is it? The graphical boost can, to an extent, explain why it didn't run too smoothly. Although honestly I barely remember the game now.
I know you're a bit of a wiz with computers, but is there really some quantifiable level of power where you can just go "Yep, let's dump this, it'll run fine and we can all go home."
Haven't played Tony Hawk but Gun runs better on Xbox 360...
I just have a question.
Considering ZOE HD performs worse, or Silent Hill HD looks worse than the PS2 versions, does it mean PS3 and Xbox 360 are clearly not more powerfull than PS2 ?
Replicating the PS2's fillrate at higher resolutions is too much for consoles and modern PCs. Today's games aren't designed like ZOE2 on PS2.
Newton Crosby
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This is a bad port, the Wii U has more powerful hardware.
End of story.
End of story.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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E ffort A nti
GhostTrick
Banned
Sorry, this isn't an answer sir. Your point is that it's not more powerfull because it performs worse.
Should I conclude, going with your point, that PS3 and 360 can't run a PS2 game at 720p withouth sacrifices ?
Also, Dark Soul (without) your patch is locked at 720p and 30fps, even on a i7 2600k and a GTX680.
Does it mean my PC is just on par with PS360 ?
If the architecture is the same but at a faster clock speed.
Well I think it's more appropriate to say that the Wii U is more powerful so long as you effectively utilise its different architecture. But yeah, pretty much.
I remember when people were hoping at least for a port that ran in 1080p 60 fps.
hahaha....
Remember when people made peace with word that it was running at 720p and locked 30fps?
lol
Not the same content either. Right, I forgot.
DonMigs85
Member
Nah, Cell is a much faster CPU if it's used for the right tasks.
The main strengths of the 360 Xenos GPU are its super-fast 10MB eDRAM and unified shaders. Otherwise in terms of fillrate it's the same as RSX in the PS3.
Also the PS2's 4MB eDRAM was 2560-bit in width and had a crazy fast 48GB/sec of bandwidth. That's likely what made it difficult to emulate on PS3.
I'm enjoying the passive aggressiveness being directed toward Durante.
Are you ignoring the elaborations being made; in some aspects, as stated, it may be weaker.
It performs worse while trying to do the same thing. Some PS3 HD ports perform worse while trying to render at ~6 times higher resolution. You'd have a point if all these Wii U ports were running at 4k.
Yes, and without any effort from the devs, it still runs at 30 FPS compared to 10 (so 3 times better) in Blighttown. QED
It's the same thing. If, say, the 360 had a 3-core 1 GHz in-order processor instead of a 3-core 3.2 GHz one, then I'm sure people would have had issues porting from Xbox1's ~700 MHz OOE chip. However, it was just so much faster overall that this was not an issue. This is not the case for Wii U. Clear now?
Writer_Head
Member
1080p 60fps is not going to be easy.
KillerTravis
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It was sarcasm... I know a PS3 is more capable than a 360.
They apparently had about a year. One of the interviews states that they started on it before the original versions were finished.
But performance statement like those in the OP don't mean anything without a side-by-side. The original game wasn't without its issues but memories tend to be forgiving.
EA is the logical reason.
Ha! We meet again, hater.
I'll start counting your hit-and-run comments on Nintendo threads from now on, should be fun.
DonMigs85
Member
Yes, but they REALLY have to work around its limitations.
I think it's time for gamers to realize the strengths of the PS2 hardware. ZOE2 was one of them.
Clay Davis
Member
absolutely stupid reasoning from ea. do they not realise by having the trilogy as a launch title, more people might be inclined to buy it as launch titles are often snapped up by the bucket load.
their loss I guess, but the decision is a very stupid one.
GhostTrick
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I don't remember ZOE HD running 6x times the resolution considering it's running at 720p.
May I recall you that Wii U is running a second screen too ?
Any effort but a 15 times, if not more, powerfull hardware.
So we can consider this a no effort port, but with ME3, this is hardware fault ?
Why can't my PC run this game at 1080p without being patched by a modder ?
TheGreatDivide
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Considering ZOE2 was sub 480p on PS2 it might as well be.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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I hope the game sells two copies and there are two Youtube videos making fun of it.
it would also back up the reasoning why the game is in a poor state. they never had faith in it, so they didn't devote too much in the way of resources to it. i don't think we can blame the porting company here- they probably did the best they could with what they had.
rumor also has it that ea wanted the wii u to be origin-exclusive. when nintendo said no, shut down whatever extra projects they were planning and basically pulled most support.
it sounds crazy, but this is the same company that wouldn't make any games for the dreamcast because sega had the nerve to develop their own line of sports games.
you gon die now. they are coming.
hey guys this is just a bad port job, i'm sure this totally won't be a problem in the future, especially when ps4 and 720 drop
DonMigs85
Member
A disturbing number of PS2 games actually ran sub-480p, despite that system's huge fillrate and bandwidth. Maybe they wanted to stuff the entire framebuffer into the 4MB?
Christberg
Member
Darksiders 2 runs way, way worse on my PC than the console versions, with constant frame rate stuttering at completely random intervals.
Rage had textures that were blurrier than the console version until I spent a significant amount of time tweaking the .ini file.
LA Noire is also completely unplayable on my PC due to frame rate instability.
I couldn't get GTA IV to look even comparable to the PS3 version until I upgraded my hardware a couple years later. (And this was with a Q6600 and a 5770 which smokes either console)
I respect you as a programmer but sorry, this line of reasoning is total bullshit.
Can we at least wait until we get some DF analysis with side by side comparisons before we use an EA title as a referendum on Wii U's hardware power?