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toastyToast · Oct 15, 2011

This son of a bitch

Uzume is pretty awesome too

TheSeks · Oct 15, 2011

cj_iwakura said:
In concept yes, in execution, no.

You're saying Phantom Dust is a bad game!? :|

Also it apparently did FFXII before FFXII was FFXII. AWESOME. I so want to track this down even if it's "incomplete because it was meant to play on X-box Live" just to see this stuff in a 2002 time capsule.

cj_iwakura · Oct 15, 2011

TheSeks said:
You're saying Phantom Dust is a bad game!? :|

Also it apparently did FFXII before FFXII was FFXII. AWESOME. I so want to track this down even if it's "incomplete because it was meant to play on X-box Live" just to see this stuff in a 2002 time capsule.

I love Phantom Dust. I'm talking about NINE.

Fan art time?

TheSeks · Oct 15, 2011

cj_iwakura said:
I'd post them in-line if we had expandable spoilers.

HiI'mDaisy really needs to finish P4 and then get on P3. >_>

"I love balls. I can't stop polishing them!"

"You decided not to join a sports club!"

Deified Data · Oct 15, 2011

These are custom figures done by a hobbyist. Wish there were professional figures this good. Serph looks a little "Myeeehh", though.

cj_iwakura · Oct 15, 2011

Deified Data said:
These are custom figures done by a hobbyist. Wish there were professional figures this good. Serph looks a little "Myeeehh", though.

Not bad at all, but the facial expressions are way off.

Snakeyes · Oct 15, 2011

Sooo... what is everybody's favorite demon(s)? Based on looks, usefulness, or whatever criteria.

Demi-Fiend

Baal

Vamphuntr · Oct 15, 2011

This one is pretty cool! from http://kawe.livejournal.com/7669.html

cj_iwakura · Oct 15, 2011

Titania is definitely my favorite Nocturne demon. When there's no Leanan, I default to Titania.

I love her Nocturne voice:

Are you ready?

*Glacial Blast of Death*

chaostrophy · Oct 15, 2011

Nice thread. SMT is probably my favorite gaming franchise. Got into it with P2:EP, and have played pretty much all of the US released games in the series to completion. They're all so good...Nocturne is probably my favorite though.

Favorite demon...hmm...I've always loved Pisaca, sublimely creepy:

randomkid · Oct 15, 2011

So much lovely Kaneko, this thread is so great.

Has anyone actually played any of the Last Bible games? I still can't believe there was a Last Bible Super Famicom game.

And one for Game Gear too, it looks so awesome!

Seriously, what are these games like?

Aeana · Oct 15, 2011

randomkid said:
So much lovely Kaneko, this thread is so great.

Has anyone actually played any of the Last Bible games? I still can't believe there was a Last Bible Super Famicom game.

And one for Game Gear too, it looks so awesome!

Seriously, what are these games like?

I've played them. You asked me before! I don't really like any of them very much, but the SFC one is worth playing.

randomkid · Oct 15, 2011

Aeana said:
I've played them. You asked me before! I don't really like any of them very much, but the SFC one is worth playing.

Ahaha as soon as I hit post I was like, wait, I think I remember asking Aeana about this before. I think I'd still like to try them all just for the art. You know me though, art >>> mechanics so I'm just an oddball that way.

Gorgon · Oct 15, 2011

There should be 4 games under Devil Summoner in the OP, not 3 (the two games with Raidou kuzonoha).

MechaX · Oct 15, 2011

Titania is fucking awesome. I'm not a fan of her design in Strange Journey, though. (Might have been that in Souls Hackers too, dunno).

But thinking of Cerberus, I can't help but laugh at his appearance in SMT If (credit given to satsu's LP)...

"WHAT FOOL DARED SEAL ME WITHIN THAT FLIMSY (floppy) DISK?!"

cj_iwakura · Oct 15, 2011

Gorgon said:
There should be 4 games under Devil Summoner in the OP, not 3 (the two games with Raidou kuzonoha).

Might want to click that link, chief. (I wrote the second half of that article, by the way.)

Mecha: yep, the Strange Journey designs are largely from Soul Hackers art. Most of the 'new' demons are.

randomkid · Oct 15, 2011

cj_iwakura said:
Might want to click that link, chief. (I wrote the second half of that article, by the way.)

Where's Last Bible though, huh???!!! Your OP sucks bro.

cj_iwakura · Oct 15, 2011

randomkid said:
Where's Last Bible though, huh???!!! Your OP sucks bro.

It's in the HG101 article I linked to. Much like every SMT game ever made.

Well, except P3P. I'll get around to it.

Vamphuntr · Oct 15, 2011

Really in the mood to replay a megaten game right now. Haven't touched a JRPG since Xenoblade (yuck!).

I'm hesitating between Raidou 1 & 2 and DDS 1 & 2. Raidou 1 gameplay is bloody terrible but the setting and story are fantastic while DDS 1 story is awful while the gameplay and customization are ace.

cj_iwakura · Oct 15, 2011

Vamphuntr said:
Really in the mood to replay a megaten game right now. Haven't touched a JRPG since Xenoblade (yuck!).

I'm hesitating between Raidou 1 & 2 and DDS 1 & 2. Raidou 1 gameplay is bloody terrible but the setting and story are fantastic while DDS 1 story is awful while the gameplay and customization are ace.

Well, we can agree to disagree, but I enjoy both games. Raidou 1 is pretty short though. I'd recommend that.

reriel · Oct 15, 2011

My favorite rpg series, actually I made a thread like this for an italian board, it's a messy and incomplete, but it was funny writing it down.

cj_iwakura said:
(Debatable as whether or not it's SMT IV until the end of time; call it what you will, this is a true throwback to SMT I&II, as presented by one of the godfathers of Megaten.)

well, some time ago I asked this to Ishida himself, Strange Journey director, and his answer was "Strange Journey is not SMT4".

suzu said:
Sooo... what is everybody's favorite demon(s)?

Mara got the first place but there's so many I like. I'll put two favorite from Persona 2:

cj_iwakura · Oct 15, 2011

reriel said:
well, some time ago I asked this to Ishida himself, Strange Journey director, and his answer was "Strange Journey is not SMT4".

Interesting. Tell me more?

Kaneko himself said it as supposed to be SMT4 in conception, but they dropped it because it's not in Japan.

Wow, nice quote from your writeup.

"Another thing that bothered me," Kaneko says, "was the trend of the main character always being portrayed as someone special--a legendary warrior, for example. It was the equivalent of saying you can't succeed unless you're from a wealthy family, and I just couldn't stand that. I wasn't born with special genes, and I'm sure most other players weren't, either. No matter who you are, if you're given a chance and have the guts to try your best, you can become a hero...that became the concept of Megami Tensei."

Sseklebeast · Oct 15, 2011

I always liked Belphegor

reriel · Oct 15, 2011

cj_iwakura said:
Interesting. Tell me more?

Unfortunately I don't know more than this :\ I send him a pm on his twitter page because I had some doubts about SJ.

cj_iwakura · Oct 15, 2011

reriel said:
Unfortunately I don't know more than this :\ I send him a pm on his twitter page because I had some doubts about SJ.

What has he worked on before SJ?

semiconscious · Oct 15, 2011

Aeana said:
There is only one:

i love leanan sidhe, but, yeah, when i think megaten demons, i think mara - hard not to

...

good news: nice thread! - always good to feel the megaten love...

bad news: hard not to think that the golden age of megaten games has come'n'gone, as in, 7 console releases from 2004-2008, followed by 2 portable releases (unless you're throwing in catherine) since. easily my greatest disappointment this gen...

reriel · Oct 15, 2011

cj_iwakura said:
What has he worked on before SJ?

SMT III Nocturne: chief designer and event scene director
Raidou games: chief designer
Maken X: one of the character model designers.

Jucksalbe · Oct 15, 2011

This thread makes me want to finally finish some of the games. What's the shortest of these (so there's a chance I'll actually finish it): Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga, Devil Summoner(PS2), Strange Journey?

viewtifulsub · Oct 15, 2011

Just posting one my favourite Kaneko pieces of the best SMT MC ever. Where others MCs were neutral aligned, Nocturne MC was all out chaotic asskicking and taking no bullshit.

NichM · Oct 15, 2011

suzu said:
Sooo... what is everybody's favorite demon(s)? Based on looks, usefulness, or whatever criteria.

I know it's sort of a plain design compared to a lot of MegaTen demons, but I've always been partial to Kaneko's Scathach:

cj_iwakura said:
Kaneko himself said it as supposed to be SMT4 in conception, but they dropped it because it's not in Japan.

The "they dropped it" is just as important as the "was supposed to be" in this statement.

JEKKI · Oct 15, 2011

Shin Megumi is tight!!

but I never finish Strange Journey or P1 lol

Akselziys · Oct 15, 2011

Vamphuntr said:
Really in the mood to replay a megaten game right now. Haven't touched a JRPG since Xenoblade (yuck!).

I'm hesitating between Raidou 1 & 2 and DDS 1 & 2. Raidou 1 gameplay is bloody terrible but the setting and story are fantastic while DDS 1 story is awful while the gameplay and customization are ace.

Being an immense MegaTen and Kazuma Kaneko fan, both series are great! Raidou 1 is good, but Raidou 2 is amazing <3!

DDS 1 & 2 are both awesome! If I had to recommend, I'd say play DDS1 & 2 first and then Raidou 1 & 2

I really hope Kaneko can make a Raidou 3 on PS3 <3

Also, it's a shame the art he made for the Raidou novels wasn't used in a game, cuz it's awesome <3 Kyouji Kuzunoha the First *_*

cj_iwakura · Oct 16, 2011

I'd like to think Raidou 3 could still be a thing. That on PS3 would make my life.

Kaz has to be up to something, I hope. I wonder if Atlus can handle two next-gen projects at once.

Tenck · Oct 16, 2011

I just got into the series today with Devil Survivor Overclocked. Is as good as the other games? Where do I go after this? I hqve no PS2 though

So might not be able to play them all.

SpaceBridge · Oct 16, 2011

Tenck said:
I just got into the series today with Devil Survivor Overclocked. Is as good as the other games? Where do I go after this? I hqve no PS2 though

So might not be able to play them all.

Go buy a PS2. You must.

cj_iwakura · Oct 16, 2011

Tenck said:
I just got into the series today with Devil Survivor Overclocked. Is as good as the other games? Where do I go after this? I hqve no PS2 though

So might not be able to play them all.

Devil Survivor is a solid game. I'd say the biggest flaw is the subpar music and art design, but the gameplay and plot is ace.

toastyToast · Oct 16, 2011

Tenck said:
I just got into the series today with Devil Survivor Overclocked. Is as good as the other games? Where do I go after this? I hqve no PS2 though

So might not be able to play them all.

I'd suggest trying out Strange Journey since you have a 3DS. Do you have a PSP? If you do you can check out the first 3 Persona games (minus Innocent Sin)

As far as where Devil Survivor sits, it's one of my least favorite SMTs; then again, I haven't played that many. SMT3 and and P4 are the best 2 in my limited opinion.

dr3upmushroom · Oct 16, 2011

Seems like a decent enough place to ask: I have a pretty limited experience with the series but I've really, really enjoyed the titles I've played. Loved Strange Journey, loved P3P, loved what I played of P4 (I was plodding my way through it very slowly due to school and I got a new apartment at the beginning of the current semester and wasn't able to bring my TV along. When I saw that Vita is getting a port I just decided to start over when that comes out), and loved Devil Survivor Overclocked.

I'm interested in the P2 port that recently came out for PSP, but I'm wondering how dated it feels. Given that I've liked the games above, am I likely to enjoy P2, or is there a "It's good as long as you're fine with the clunky mechanics" caveat?

cj_iwakura · Oct 16, 2011

P2 PSP's not clunky at all. It's actually a huge improvement over the PS1 version. What might frustrate you is the high random battle frequency and dungeons, but you beat Strange Journey, so I doubt that'll bother you.

SpaceBridge · Oct 16, 2011

dr3upmushroom said:
Seems like a decent enough place to ask: I have a pretty limited experience with the series but I've really, really enjoyed the titles I've played. Loved Strange Journey, loved P3P, loved what I played of P4 (I was plodding my way through it very slowly due to school and I got a new apartment at the beginning of the current semester and wasn't able to bring my TV along. When I saw that Vita is getting a port I just decided to start over when that comes out), and loved Devil Survivor Overclocked.

I'm interested in the P2 port that recently came out for PSP, but I'm wondering how dated it feels. Given that I've liked the games above, am I likely to enjoy P2, or is there a "It's good as long as you're fine with the clunky mechanics" caveat?

If you can survive SJ, you can survive any SMT. You, sir, are a better man than I.

SatelliteOfLove · Oct 16, 2011

dr3upmushroom said:
Seems like a decent enough place to ask: I have a pretty limited experience with the series but I've really, really enjoyed the titles I've played. Loved Strange Journey, loved P3P, loved what I played of P4 (I was plodding my way through it very slowly due to school and I got a new apartment at the beginning of the current semester and wasn't able to bring my TV along. When I saw that Vita is getting a port I just decided to start over when that comes out), and loved Devil Survivor Overclocked.

I'm interested in the P2 port that recently came out for PSP, but I'm wondering how dated it feels. Given that I've liked the games above, am I likely to enjoy P2, or is there a "It's good as long as you're fine with the clunky mechanics" caveat?

The characters, plot, music, and mood override any extra work you do in that game via conversation and card collecting easily. I just wish my PSP hadn't clonked out halfway in.

Urban Scholar · Oct 16, 2011

Does anyone know if Kazuma Kaneko has a vol 4 artworks book planned? I have hes vol. 3 and was thinking it's due soon. At least I hope so

The Mana Legend · Oct 16, 2011

Can I have console SMT now, please? ;_;

SMT2 and 3 are the best in the entire series. I loved Strange Journey, but I want another experience like the first time I popped in Nocturne on my 42 inch TV on a thundery, rainy night. <3

DigitalDevil · Oct 16, 2011

Digitaldevil, reporting for duty!

I heart SMT. Is it weird that I bought a copy of P2:IS just to keep sealed? I don't even have a psp. Lol

The Mana Legend · Oct 16, 2011

DigitalDevil said:
Digitaldevil, reporting for duty!

I heart SMT. Is it weird that I bought a copy of P2:IS just to keep sealed? I don't even have a psp. Lol

IS also is the worst Persona game, so it's understandable. <3

kai3345 · Oct 16, 2011

Seriously

We need some HD SMT using Catherine's engine

Hot Coldman · Oct 16, 2011

Aeana said:
There is only one:

Midou · Oct 16, 2011

I guess its obvious from my picture, but SMT is essentially my favorite RPG series. I'm playing through SMT2 now, I skipped first since I heard it was somewhat frustrating, but read the plot summary of the first game, would have blown my mind had I played it back in the SNES days, so insanely awesome.

I've been at the end of DDS2 for about a year and a half, but I keep putting it off for various reasons.

suzu · Oct 16, 2011

I still need to get around to finishing Strange Journey and Devil Summoner 2..

TheSeks · Oct 16, 2011

cj_iwakura said:
Kaneko himself said it as supposed to be SMT4 in conception, but they dropped it because it's not in Japan.

WTF. That would be a breath of fresh air for the series. Go to a different country. Possibly not nuked like MT/SMT Japan was in the 90's. Have them be a bit more advanced since they weren't nuked/"war machine" wasn't slowed and have the demons be technological or whatever since we're in the internet or whatever.

Would be an interesting thing to see. Shame they canceled it because "LOL JPN ONRY." :|

The Mana Legend said:
IS also is the worst Persona game,

Haha. No. Unless you typed "IS" for "Persona 1" in which case I forgive you.

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