"Sandbox" is probably more accurate to what we are talking about, I guess.
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Zelda Wii U announced - "Rethink the conventions of Zelda"
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"Sandbox" is probably more accurate to what we are talking about, I guess.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
"Complete dungeons in a certain order"? You could sequence break to varying extents in the games already, despite the developers' best efforts to stop this. Metroid Prime was especially bad at trying to ruin sequence breaking.
It's fun.
It's fun.
PapaJustify
Member
I would slightly disagree. The game world suggested to be open but if you really break the structure down you see that it was quite linear and limited.
And with "open-world" I also connect travelling seamlessly. And that has never been in a 3D Zelda game.
EatinOlives
Member
The basic formula of Zelda is so general that, in my opinion, it's not a hindrance to them being really groundbreaking and great games. The problem I've had with the past two Zeldas is that the gameplay framework they build on TOP of that formula is the same outdated yawn-inducing, lifeless-world type thing. So having them say that they're going to break conventions and go back to basics does resonate with me to some level. Speaking with non-linearity, for instance, I would LOVE giant dungeons with multiple branching paths so that there's more than one way to get to the end. Building it this way I think could really give dungeons a really nice feeling of discovery, where you have a very large open area and you "discovered" the way out. The way dungeons are right now, with the collection of tidy linear puzzles, makes me feel like I'm just going through the motions to get to the end. There's zero sense of adventure.
Though honestly I really need to see the demos before I can get excited. Miyamoto did say that Twilight Princess was the "last of its kind", which ended up not really being true.
Though honestly I really need to see the demos before I can get excited. Miyamoto did say that Twilight Princess was the "last of its kind", which ended up not really being true.
PapaJustify
Member
Because Nintendo doesn't do your everyday Call-of-Duty-multiplayer but integrates the experience to be able to play together in the living room. In Mario Galaxy this was more gimmicky but I would say that the WiiU GamePad gives much more possibilities.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
What is the definition of "open world" that is drawing negative reactions from people? Isn't the Zelda overworld an open world, more or less? Are you thinking it's gonna be like, Grand Theft Auto: Hyrule, or something?
I really loved this aspect of Skyward Sword.
I'm all for shaking up the formula a lot more. I'm actually very intrigued by what they mean by the multiplayer aspect.
Open world is a bad word and it shouldn't be used unless everyone has a common understanding of what the person using it means. Taken on face value it doesn't mean anything other than there being a wide open field to explore. Everyone has their own personal definitions of what components make up an "open world" game, but it's really just an idea and concept which invokes a certain visual feel. There are no mechanics which specifically define the term.
Rainbow In The Dark
Member
Wow. Why would they announce it so early?
Pretty much my thoughts. I don't think DS games held true to this.
They didn't announce anything. They just told us the obvious with a bit of hint on the direction their taking.
Ghost_Protocol
Member
They said exactly the same thing with Skyward Sword.
DarkLegion
Member
Well to be fair we all knew it was something being worked on, so they just gave us a few more details to work with.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Yeah it seems that way. As far as I'm concerned, Zelda already is "open world".
Yes, they also mentioned Skyward Sword today. They are planning to go even further in that direction next.
Technosteve
Banned
Make it like Zelda 1, don't ham fist me the story, please let me play the game with out an hour of tutorials.
Pejo
Member
They said in their slide (in OP) that they want to challenge the conventions of beating levels in order and playing by yourself, at least that's how i took it.
Candeldandel
Member
Oh my, open world?! I know a LOT of disgruntled (and not so disgruntled) Zelda players that will eat that shit up!! EEE!!!
Listen to this man !!
And Skyward Sword changed conventions. The areas between dungeons had puzzles and the line between dungeon and overworld was quite blurred.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
And Twilight Princess.
SonicMegaDrive
Member
By 'back to basics', I'm hoping they mean before 1998.
it doesn't really harm anyone to announce what they did today. there's nobody waiting around the corner for it
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
I don't care what the fuck it is, just give me this:
Anything less will result in dissapointment.
Damn this gif. Everytime I want to hate on BigN this thing comes floating around and make me giddy. Still looks so great.
Red Liquorice
Member
Believe it when I see it.
DjangoReinhardt
Thinks he should have been the one to kill Batman's parents.
You don't have to reduce the puzzle complexity at all. What you have to do is reduce your reliance on the formula/structure that has been beaten death. Moving away from the strict reliance on items (that are often used heavily in one dungeon then forgotten) would be a start.
They need to make this game more difficult. Skyward Sword was too easy. I didn't like the fact that dungeons were linear. One issue I had was that whenever I found a key, there would also be one door in the accessible area that it can open. I want to be able to explore a dungeon like in the A Link to the Past.
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
It's slowly eschewed adventurism for a more linear, hand holdy, experience.
OTT wasn't open world, it just had a hub world.
ScepticMatt
Member
Zelda MMO incoming.
Gillian Seed
Banned
I want the open ended lost feeling of this:
Mixed with this:
Amen!
NoLootBoxDev
Member
well if its releases on 2015-2016 the Wii U most likely will have 1 - 2 price drops. But this confirms no New Zelda this E3.
I don't know about that, from what Reggie said I think they hope to keep the price the same most of this generation. If they change the value it will be with new bundles for the same price I would think.
It would be nice if they packed a wiimote in a bundle.
I'm fine with voices, but I hope Link stays silent. There's something about that which makes it better. The other characters who already have text dialog can have voices.
Chet Rippo
Member
It doesn't mean there won't be a 3DS game though.
I don't care what the fuck it is, just give me this:
Anything less will result in dissapointment.
They have already confirmed the art will be close to Zelda SS than this
So, get ready to be dissapointed
Nintendo sure knows how to dissapoint, first no Bravely Default on 3DS, then a stunning Zelda demo and a confirmation the actual game will look nothing like that
They have already confirmed the art will be close to Zelda SS than this
So, get ready to be dissapointed
Where was this confirmed if you don't mind linking a source. I don't recall any talks about the visuals in the ND.
BruceLeeRoy
Banned
They have already confirmed the art will be close to Zelda SS than this
So, get ready to be dissapointed
What! Where?