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Grakl · Jan 10, 2013

StreetsAhead said:
Yes. Yes, it is.

Torterra > Venusaur > Serperior = Sceptile > Meganium

I agree with this.

kittens · Jan 10, 2013

StreetsAhead said:
Yes. Yes, it is.

Torterra > Venusaur > Serperior = Sceptile > Meganium

I think Sceptile is quite a bit worse than Serperior, otherwise I agree 100%.

Wilsongt · Jan 10, 2013

StreetsAhead said:
Yes. Yes, it is.

Torterra > Venusaur > Serperior = Sceptile > Meganium

I see no lies in this post. Torterra was amazing.

Donax · Jan 10, 2013

It would be so great if they implement a Dark Souls/ZombiU multiplayer system. Sending a copy of our character to random guys of our level would bring for the first time the real impression to fight real persons with real combinaisons of pokemons instead of the usual 4x magikarp dudes. Also it could be nice if after the fight we can ask the guy we fought his/her in-game phone number for a rematch.

Kyzer · Jan 10, 2013

this game is going to sell like ... no one can predict. it will make the 3DS even better than the DS

Aggrotek · Jan 10, 2013

StreetsAhead said:
Yes. Yes, it is.

Torterra > Venusaur > Serperior = Sceptile > Meganium

Sceptile is awesomeeee.

joetachi · Jan 10, 2013

injurai said:
uhhhh...

thanks for proving my point?

Berordn · Jan 10, 2013

Aggrotek said:
Sceptile is awesomeeee.

Sceptile only has a bad rap because Grovle's so much better looking.

injurai · Jan 10, 2013

kittens said:
I think Sceptile is quite a bit worse than Serperior, otherwise I agree 100%.

I wouldn't use a revive if I found a a dying Serperior on the side of a route.

zroid · Jan 10, 2013

StreetsAhead said:
Yes. Yes, it is.

Torterra > Venusaur > Serperior = Sceptile > Meganium

Only difference for me is Sceptile goes at the bottom

Meikiyou · Jan 10, 2013

That's how I think about chespin evo being a fencer, he ended up having a big head and I'm too lazy to correct lol

Wilsongt · Jan 10, 2013

October is so far away. I want this in my veins right now... But I suppose I need to finish up my Black 2 playthrough...

CorvoSol · Jan 10, 2013

monsterfracas said:
I think Torterra may be my favorite Grass starter evo.

I mean good lord, it looks like Bowser with a damn tree growing out of it.

Torterra was definitely one of the better designs of Gen 4 and miles ahead of Infernape. Empoleon wasn't TOO bad, I felt.

StreetsAhead said:
Gen 2 has the blandest starters - especially the final evos. Pretty sure it's the reason GF avoids the 'obvious' evolution method and now goes for the 'surprise!'. I remember them stating post-BW release that they wanted players to not know exactly where the final evolutions where headed just by looking at them (which got ruined when they were leaked anyway and then they announced the 2nd stages in corocoro prior to release anyway).

Typhlosion continues to be super wicked awesome.

ffdgh · Jan 10, 2013

I'll lol if chespin turn into a grass sonic.

Fracas · Jan 10, 2013

Blastoise>Empoleon>Feraligatr>Swampert>Samurott

Charizard>Blaziken>Infernape>Typhlosion>Emboar

Torterra>Venosaur>Meganium>Serperior>Sceptile

Vire · Jan 10, 2013

The real question is, which starter has the best second form. It's tough to make them not look like they are going through their awkward teenage years.

Pignite is probably my favorite.

clemenx · Jan 10, 2013

I'd say that's easily Charmeleon. And I'm not a crazy Gen I lover.

Teknoman · Jan 10, 2013

Why are Therian formes banned? Especially after making those 3 look so cool...they really that much more powerful?

Aggrotek · Jan 10, 2013

Vire said:
The real question is, which starter has the best second form. It's tough to make them not look like they are going through their awkward teenage years.

Pignite is probably my favorite.

brinstar · Jan 10, 2013

I love 2nd form starters! Hard to pick one though... Grovyle or Dewott probably...

zroid · Jan 10, 2013

brinstar said:
I love 2nd form starters! Hard to pick one though... Grovyle or Dewott probably...

Same for me, I think.

I like Wartortle a lot too.

After those three, probably Servine, and then Ivysaur. None of the fire second forms do much for me, sadly. :\

Drago · Jan 10, 2013

Grass types in general always have the best second forms imo

Berordn · Jan 10, 2013

Vire said:
The real question is, which starter has the best second form. It's tough to make them not look like they are going through their awkward teenage years.

Vire said:
Pignite

Pignite looks like the very definition of a teenager during puberty.

Grovyle is only answer.
Wartortle maybe a close second.

Teknoman said:
Why are Therian formes banned? Especially after making those 3 look so cool...they really that much more powerful?

It's mostly that they're incompatible with B/W. They are beasts though, make no mistake.

injurai · Jan 10, 2013

Vire said:
The real question is, which starter has the best second form. It's tough to make them not look like they are going through their awkward teenage years.

Pignite is probably my favorite.

Fracas · Jan 10, 2013

Wartortle looked really good.

Rubius · Jan 10, 2013

brinstar said:
I love 2nd form starters! Hard to pick one though... Grovyle or Dewott probably...

Aggrotek · Jan 10, 2013

Love Grovyle's shiny too:

Hunting him once I finally get my fucking Scraggy.

Teknoman · Jan 10, 2013

Berordn said:
Pignite looks like the very definition of a teenager during puberty.

Grovyle is only answer.
Wartortle maybe a close second.

It's mostly that they're incompatible with B/W. They are beasts though, make no mistake.

Oh, thought they just reverted when played against B/W. Hopefully they retain their formes in X/Y.

Vire · Jan 10, 2013

Berordn said:
Pignite looks like the very definition of a teenager during puberty.

Grovyle is only answer.
Wartortle maybe a close second.

It's mostly that they're incompatible with B/W. They are beasts though, make no mistake.

Nah way, he looks like a Luchador wrestler!

Wartortle makes me think of a balding old man who kept the sides but lost the middle.

Ivysaur is probably my second favorite.

ffdgh · Jan 10, 2013

2nd forms?

Grovyle wins with quiliva second and dewott third.

zroid · Jan 10, 2013

I actually made a thread about this a few months ago, lol http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=486589

Cromat · Jan 10, 2013

ryan13ts said:
That may have made sense back then since the series was still very new, but after 5 generations, I believe it's about time to introduce new types for variety AND gameplay balancing.

While adding Dark and Steel did fix some of the balance issues with the original game (Namely the nearly invincible Psychic types of that Gen), it still left some pretty big issues with other types (namely Poison, Ice and Flying) that haven't been corrected or adjusted since Gen II, well over 12 years ago. By adding at least two new types, Game Freak could help balance the game further by giving older types with issues better effectiveness, while breathing new life into what has been very fun, but stagnant gameplay mechaincs.

I'm just saying'....

I think it is much easier to just change the type advantage chart around to make it more balanced. Have poison super effective against water or something, among others.

Rubius · Jan 10, 2013

Aggrotek said:
Love Grovyle's shiny too:

Hunting him once I finally get my fucking Scraggy.

Never understood that. How do you get a shiny starter? Breeding and luck?
that's one thing that piss me off. Starters seem more rare than actual legendaries. Really? On the show you could see thousands of Charmanders, Squirtle and Bulbazaur. Even in the manga. But in the games? NOPE. Highlander. Even if there was a second Bulbazaur in Pokemon Blue...

papercamm · Jan 10, 2013

Rubius said:
Never understood that. How do you get a shiny starter? Breeding and luck?
that's one thing that piss me off. Starters seem more rare than actual legendaries. Really? On the show you could see thousands of Charmanders, Squirtle and Bulbazaur. Even in the manga. But in the games? NOPE. Highlander. Even if there was a second Bulbazaur in Pokemon Blue...

Yep, luck.

brinstar · Jan 10, 2013

Rubius said:
Never understood that. How do you get a shiny starter? Breeding and luck?
that's one thing that piss me off. Starters seem more rare than actual legendaries. Really? On the show you could see thousands of Charmanders, Squirtle and Bulbazaur. Even in the manga. But in the games? NOPE. Highlander. Even if there was a second Bulbazaur in Pokemon Blue...

you can just keep resetting over and over until you get one

Rubius · Jan 10, 2013

brinstar said:
you can just keep resetting over and over until you get one

Really? You can get a shiny by luck at the start?

Aggrotek · Jan 10, 2013

Rubius said:
Never understood that. How do you get a shiny starter? Breeding and luck?
that's one thing that piss me off. Starters seem more rare than actual legendaries. Really? On the show you could see thousands of Charmanders, Squirtle and Bulbazaur. Even in the manga. But in the games? NOPE. Highlander. Even if there was a second Bulbazaur in Pokemon Blue...

Either soft resetting or breeding. I am a fan of the Masuda Method personally. Soft resetting for starters isn't fun to me.

Grakl · Jan 10, 2013

Rubius said:
Never understood that. How do you get a shiny starter? Breeding and luck?
that's one thing that piss me off. Starters seem more rare than actual legendaries. Really? On the show you could see thousands of Charmanders, Squirtle and Bulbazaur. Even in the manga. But in the games? NOPE. Highlander. Even if there was a second Bulbazaur in Pokemon Blue...

I had a legit shiny Charmander once (Soul Silver). Sold the game to Gamestop, haha.

ColtraineGF · Jan 10, 2013

Rubius said:
Never understood that. How do you get a shiny starter? Breeding and luck?
that's one thing that piss me off. Starters seem more rare than actual legendaries. Really? On the show you could see thousands of Charmanders, Squirtle and Bulbazaur. Even in the manga. But in the games? NOPE. Highlander. Even if there was a second Bulbazaur in Pokemon Blue...

Absolute luck.

I somehow managed to get a shiny Torchic in Sapphire. Never again. I was resetting for a female starter at the time, lol.

Kyzer · Jan 10, 2013

yeah, if you get really lucky. you could use that time you spent resetting for a shiny starter to enter yourself into publishers clearing house 3k+ times

Lord_Byron28 · Jan 10, 2013

Wilsongt said:
Totodile was awesome. All of Gen 2's starters were awesome. Much better than Gen 3.

All gen 3 starters were superior to gen 2 starters. The only set of starters worse than gen 2 was gen 4.

StreetsAhead said:
Yes. Yes, it is.

Torterra > Venusaur > Serperior = Sceptile > Meganium

If were now doing this rate.
Grass:
Serperior> sceptile> torterra> meganium> venusaur

Water:
Swampert> samurot> blastoise> empoleon> feraligatr

Fire:
Charizard> blaziken> typhlosion> Emboar> infernape

Venusaur, feraligatr, Emboar and infernape got badly beaten by the ugly stick. Meganium, torterra, empoleon and samurot were boring. Fire> grass> water in terms of final evo designs.

Berordn · Jan 10, 2013

Rubius said:
Never understood that. How do you get a shiny starter? Breeding and luck?
that's one thing that piss me off. Starters seem more rare than actual legendaries. Really? On the show you could see thousands of Charmanders, Squirtle and Bulbazaur. Even in the manga. But in the games? NOPE. Highlander. Even if there was a second Bulbazaur in Pokemon Blue...

It's always been somewhat implied that the starters available per region are from faraway lands and/or endangered, so there's that. They're still common enough in the games that trainers will have them every so often.

Kyzer · Jan 10, 2013

Berordn said:
It's always been somewhat implied that the starters available per region are from faraway lands and/or endangered, so there's that. They're still common enough in the games that trainers will have them every so often.

I fully expect them to someday explain where they come from...like Togepi in Unova.

Boss Doggie · Jan 10, 2013

Problem with Sceptile is that Grovyle is much better.

Didn't help that PMD2 made me love Grovyle more.

T'Zariah · Jan 10, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8bJlcsynpk&feature=youtu.be

Black man's reaction to the annoucement.

I found this highly amusing.

Grakl · Jan 10, 2013

NightBlade88 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8bJlcsynpk&feature=youtu.be

Black man's reaction to the annoucement.

I found this highly amusing.

Somewhat confusing.

IntelliHeath · Jan 10, 2013

Aggrotek said:
I think Luxray was somewhat a lion.

I don't count Raikou as a Sabretooth Tiger. I want a 2 staged fossil Sabertooth Tiger. Would be awesome.

UltimateIke said:
That's what Luxray is supposed to be.

Watchog

ColtraineGF said:
Closest would probably be the Luxray line:

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Watch Da Birdie said:
Well, I do think Luxray has lion-like influences, but I'm pretty sure the line as a whole are more based on Lynx.

Luxio especially has the little Lynx beard.

Seriously? I thought the lines were inspired by Sphinx. I noticed colors were egyptians. Black, gold and blue are common colors for mummy coffin and statues.

injurai · Jan 10, 2013

Berordn said:
It's always been somewhat implied that the starters available per region are from faraway lands and/or endangered, so there's that. They're still common enough in the games that trainers will have them every so often.

we know of one

Rubius · Jan 10, 2013

Berordn said:
It's always been somewhat implied that the starters available per region are from faraway lands and/or endangered, so there's that. They're still common enough in the games that trainers will have them every so often.

Hell make them ultra rare encounter in some part of the world only. It kinda ruin the "immersion" of the game.

injurai · Jan 10, 2013

IntelliHeath said:
Seriously? I thought the lines were inspired by Sphinx.

Black, Gold and Blue are common colors for Mummy Coffin and Statues.

I never made that connection...

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