Hasphat'sAnts
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And honestly it's not surprising to me that half of Weird Twitter came from SA
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Chapo Trap House [OT] Speed Boat Dope Cocaine Genesis
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bigjeffery
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Yeah, it's not very surprising a good subforum on a good message board spawned the best part of Twitter.
Curious Puppy
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I know that it was a general statement directed towards centrist liberals, but it was a general statement laced with pure venom and hostility and they've demonstrated time and time again they have no interest in actually talking to people who disagree with it. It's just childish, like their fanbase must exclusively be people who just became old enough to vote.
jack_package_200
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The ableist language they use deserves scrutiny, but the latter two criticisms here are beyond stupid.
i will never condemn anyone on the left who's fed up to the point of hostility with centrist democrats. they deserve all the hate in the world.
edit: i'm 35 in case you want to try that patronizing bullshit again
I glanced at their sub reddit and I don't even know what you are talking about it saying it's like 4chan. This
Is a solid and reasonable discussion. it's probably more reasonable than the discussion in this thread.
Is a solid and reasonable discussion. it's probably more reasonable than the discussion in this thread.
bigjeffery
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Maybe I'm just confused because I'm associating all the bad stuff I remember with cum town, their sister podcast, but can someone post evidence of them actually using ableist language to insult someone? Personally, I think as long as it's framed as a joke it's stupid to get upset about it (I know literally all of GAF disagrees with this), but I can't remember Chapo actually doing it.
Literally anything funny that some GAFers dislike is "like 4chan."
Literally anything funny that some GAFers dislike is "like 4chan."
Father_Brain
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I'm really not seeing it. Twitter and the SA threads on the show are much closer to that description, tbh
Are you talking about the attitude centrist Dems had toward anyone who even sniffed a candidate other than the chosen one during the last primary season or are you talking about something else? Hard to keep up.
Motherfuckers spend 6 months calling everyone in the world racist and sexist, telling people to get in line for the guaranteed L "cuz pragmatism" or some bullshit, then continue to be hysterical when those people don't cease to exist.
Curious Puppy
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You mean like Bill Maher used the N word "framed as a joke"?
Just stop using the fucking word. Find other words to use that don't inherently degrade the disabled. There's a lot of them out there.
bigjeffery
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Could you post evidence of Chapo using ableist language as an insult, please?
Hitlersaurus Christ
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You have yet to point out a single example of what you're talking about.
Finale Fireworker
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I like Chapo Trap House. I like having such an unapologetically Left talk show that challenges people to move more left instead of more right. I've listened to them in tandem with Pod Save America for a long time now because I think they counter-weight each other very well. I feel like PSA creates an argument and CTH violently critiques it. This is valuable because whatever is left standing is really solid.
But I do get frustrated with their incredibly flippant rhetoric. Demonizing liberals and treating them as enemies instead of allies feels like something that's going to backfire immensely as the show goes on. I think it's going to create a radicalized left (in the bad way) the same way 4chan created a radicalized right.
This notion that everybody but them is unacceptable garbage is depressing to me. I got in a fight in the comments of the Patreon (I pledge) because of an episode that said minority representation is meaningless, even in their own movement. They made a case for class solidarity instead, which makes sense, but I was really upset that they saw no problem if their platform isn't enticing to women or POCs.
Chapo Trap House, in my opinion, really really needs to invite outside voices who don't already agree with them or aren't being invited for a struggle session. I'd like to see more earnest crossover between CTH and PSA, to be honest.
For now, I still listen to the show and like what they're doing. But I'm slowly finding it more and more juvenile.
But I do get frustrated with their incredibly flippant rhetoric. Demonizing liberals and treating them as enemies instead of allies feels like something that's going to backfire immensely as the show goes on. I think it's going to create a radicalized left (in the bad way) the same way 4chan created a radicalized right.
This notion that everybody but them is unacceptable garbage is depressing to me. I got in a fight in the comments of the Patreon (I pledge) because of an episode that said minority representation is meaningless, even in their own movement. They made a case for class solidarity instead, which makes sense, but I was really upset that they saw no problem if their platform isn't enticing to women or POCs.
Chapo Trap House, in my opinion, really really needs to invite outside voices who don't already agree with them or aren't being invited for a struggle session. I'd like to see more earnest crossover between CTH and PSA, to be honest.
For now, I still listen to the show and like what they're doing. But I'm slowly finding it more and more juvenile.
TarpitCarnivore
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I've only listened to a handful of episodes and I tend to enjoy them discussing things in a more harsh way, but it's at times really hard to get past the 'bernie bro' vibe of the show.
It was nice to have Patton on this past week to drive the conversation a little more and keep the humor more in his arena.
It was nice to have Patton on this past week to drive the conversation a little more and keep the humor more in his arena.
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Curious Puppy
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I'm not going to track down a specific timestamp on a specific episode, but an easy google search brings you this: http://souciant.com/2017/07/the-chapo-dilemma/
4th paragraph down and then keep going, youtube video as well. I listened to them for a long time before eventually getting fed up, and they did shit like this or shit similar to this on a regular basis. If you don't remember it its because you didn't care, like most people.
They also constantly call things or people "retarded" if they don't like them.
you should check out the citations needed podcast (@citationspod)
Are people really not getting it? It's even mentioned in the New Yorker profile on them:
I tried to listen to them but it is hard to take them seriously as being left on social issues with how they frame and debase people they disagree with. I don't think the concept of "dirtbag left" is an admirable or desirable one.
I tried to listen to them but it is hard to take them seriously as being left on social issues with how they frame and debase people they disagree with. I don't think the concept of "dirtbag left" is an admirable or desirable one.
bigjeffery
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Fair enough. Personally, I have a hard time seeing any of that stuff posted as being particularly offensive, but I guess everyone has a different tolerance level.
I would argue that a huge appeal of the show is that the people they "frame and debase" deserve it, and its nice to see people I ideologically agree with not be afraid to make fun of them.
BUNTING1243
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they need to get better at their language because its gross and it makes shitty liberals think they have cover to immediately dismiss them and anyone aligned with them politically
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I generally agree with this. I started listening to PSA first (as 1600 before the election). I like how Chapo generally feels more unshackled and goes a lot harder on certain issues, and doesn't have the smug ads or sometimes dry guest interviews. I appreciate Chapo's leftist, DSA-focused perspective as well as the comedy, but there are some areas where they still need to grow up a bit.
It's hard to convince people of something when it would require them to actually care about institutionalized discrimination which they benefit from
bigjeffery
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Yes, pundits, neo-nazis and online Alt-Right guys all deserve to be made fun of.
As does people with autism apparently.
Curious Puppy
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Thanks for this. Its fucking infuriating.
These people could not make their ignorance any more clear. People sticking up for this shit have likely never met a truly disabled person in their lives.
And the disabled for being born, I guess. But you personally don't see anything offensive about it, so I guess we should all just handwave it away.
bigjeffery
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When they're pundits, neo-Nazis or Alt-Right guys, sure.
Agreed. Like I'm with them on a lot of their critiques of liberalism and the left but when you listen to show sometimes and hear a bunch of predominantly white dudes using harsh language to make fun of prominent left of centre figures, it can make me cringe a bit. I completely understand people being totally put off by that and not seeing the genuinely funny, insightful or positive things they bring to the table.
And what better way to make fun of them then by calling them autistic?
Why not just call them faggots? That would burn them pretty hard too!
Hitlersaurus Christ
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OK, I understand that those can be offensive but that article is reaching with stuff like the "denying the existence of atypical neurology" one. That's COMPLETELY missing what was being said for the sake of it.
Well, I'd assume they were trying to infer they were bad at picking up on social cues. Offensive though it may be it's not being used as a blanket insult.
Well, I'd assume they were trying to infer they were bad at picking up on social cues. Offensive though it may be it's not being used as a blanket insult.
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Like, Hillary has her problems, but when Chapo does an entire segment/group rant going after her, the result can sound pretty indistinguishable from the_donald or wherever.
Are you intentionally not getting it at this point? They're not just making fun of right wingers even in those examples posted.
And even if they were, using autistic as a slur is utterly despicable.
But hey, if this is what the American left strives to then you fucking deserve Trump.
Almost as much as you're missing what is being said if that is your takeaway.
Curious Puppy
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Then address how stupid it is that they're pundits, neo-Nazi's, or Alt-Righters instead of generalizing them into a net as wide as the entire spectrum of Autism. Why even bring mental disability into the conversation? Do you know how many autistic people can't even speak? Are they alt-righters and neo-nazis too? Generalizing like that serves no one and only exposes your own ignorance.
eh, those jokes are shitty even if they weren't intended that way
i had never seen any of this because i didn't follow any of them on twitter before the end of last year and had never heard jokes like this on the show, but it's maki g me reconsider my patreon pledge
BUNTING1243
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i have close family that are differently abled, please stop with your assumptions about anyones lived experiences.
I don't know how I've missed that the whole point of this podcast is shitty autism jokes and explaining that white male privilege isn't actually a thing.
Holy shit. All that flew right over my head.
Holy shit. All that flew right over my head.
Most of those examples are grasping at straws. If we are going to read a comedy podcast completety straight, where was the outrage when Chapo repeatedly endorsed pedophilia with #freejared. Irreverent ironic jokes combined with adovcacy for real leftist policy is the appeal of the show.
The Technomancer
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I listened to a few episodes right after the election because I needed catharsis, and I checked the fuck out. Not what I was looking for. The person above who said that they have basically 0% positive interest in anyone who isn't already on board with everything they believe in is spot on, which is especially rich considering some of the legit criticism they get from various marginalized folks
Mostly I'm just done with irony. Fuck irony. Its a poison that is killing the left
Mostly I'm just done with irony. Fuck irony. Its a poison that is killing the left
bigjeffery
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Because it's a joke.
There's probably no point in continuing this conversation as I think there's a fundamental disconnect in the way each of us view humor.
I admire your willingness to believe this isn't just who they are as people, just like a large proportion of their fanbase.
Like this guy. Literally what the people sending gas chamber memes are saying.
This is Chan humor.
Curious Puppy
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It's really easy to say "haha its just a joke" when you aren't actually affected or know anyone who's affected by ableist language. It's a fucking poison and I'm sick of seeing proclaimed leftists say it isn't a big deal when they're actually in no place whatsoever to say whether its a big deal or not.
No, you don't get to say whatever you want and use "it's a joke" as an excuse. You're just demonstrating a profound lack of understanding in how society normalizes and accepts behavior.
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NGL posts like this make me start to reconsider my monthly pledge.
Hitlersaurus Christ
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I get the idea behind what's being said, but I think that article was put together by someone with no regard for the actual content of those quotes. (not that they were of any sort of substance of course)
And for the record I have family members on various levels of the spectrum, since apparently people are questioning that now?
Ironically, it's actually lead.
Actually we're just pointing out that that shit is deeply offensive but good to hear you have black friends buddy
The Technomancer
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Like I get it, I get the utility they serve. Shit sucks, especially if you're a leftist, listening to some funny people who agree with you has emotional value. But these guys?
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