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Bungie Responds to Recent Feedback on Destiny 2
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Compsiox
Banned
And there's one last game in the trilogy. Having to restructure Destiny 1 definitely screwed the whole franchise in my eyes.
I honestly didn't know that because I've never dismantled ships and sparrows. but I'm a collector! in any case even eververse is half hassed, right now there's not much to buy and it's random anyway
Vincent Alexander
Member
I'm confident they can turn the endgame stuff around. It truly doesn't seem that hard. The gameplay itself is fun as hell already.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
I myself am being facetious, I hope others are as well.
Destiny 2 by all means is better at launch than D1.
2blackcats
Member
The game is awesome.
These complaints are mostly from people who play 100s of hours.
I'm happy enough to play a 100 odd hours then maybe casually the odd time til the next dlc drops.
the production level is awesome and the gameplay is stellar. if only they had a better direction...
People ask for everything. It's the nature of people.
This is right on.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
I barely play and I'm at around 256 light IIRC. I haven't done much but mess around on the map hitting community events.
I stopped playing about two weeks ago because I don't see much point.
funkystudent
Member
You could have said the exact same thing after Destiny 1 launched yet here we are 3 years later with slightly different issues with the same result of a sub par endgame.
Aztechnology
Member
Yea, not true at all, or at the very least extremely misleading. After around 40-50 hours (With three characters, including leveling of each character in this figure), mostly comprised of grinding and patrols (At least half, if not more of that time) to higher light levels, I had basically completed everything available outside of PVP event participation. My main playgroup comprised of light levels between 280-290 effectively stopped playing after the second raid clear. I just checked their playtime on wasted on Destiny 2, and they are sub 50 hours, one of my buddies has two full level characters, three raid clears, a few nightfall prestige clears and has 51 hours. Based on the random groups we had played with and the first raid being a blind clear, I know at least 15 hours of those were the raid. Probably 12 are from his second character.
So that leaves ~25 hours, where he expended all of the content, including grinding for gear to be raid ready.
I'd say if light level did not exist, you could effectively experience all the content the game has to offer within a 20 hour window.
So you say, what makes Diablo, Path of Exile or any other loot based game any different, you could clear the game and all content in like 15 hours etc. Ahhhh very true, however the gameplay loop, allows for scalability of content, and the system allows of randomization of enemies and every other experience. Kind of like the Nightfall offers a small peak into. Then of course you also have actually interesting gear and builds to play around with to see what you can accomplish. Something D1 was severely lacking in, however, compared to D2, it's night and day.
ethomaz
Banned
End game...
Destiny 2 end game is basically The Division bad.
Destiny vanilla end of game was great.
ethomaz
Banned
I played a bit over 20 hours and Im already stuck at end game bored nothing to do...
So 100 hours is far from true... even for 3 characters.
The Taken King is where they started the changes that give birth to Destiny 2.
By all accounts, having to ship (and thus restructure Destiny 1) is the only reason we got a Destiny at all. Yeah theyre behind and always seem to be playing catch up, but the alternative is development hell and political infighting while they chase creating the perfect game.
Comparing it to a hypothetical unreleased game is pointless, imo.
What revisionist history is this? Vanilla had Vault of Glass and chasing a couple random drops. Thats it. How is that great?
Aztechnology
Member
Their core gameplay model is deeply flawed, which we can easily see from the progress made in the past decade of loot based ARPG's.
I agree that it wasn't great either, that has to be nostalgia talking. It was fresh at the time, it was their first shot at this kind of game. D2 doesn't get the same pass for me.
I agree that it wasn't great either, that has to be nostalgia talking. It was fresh at the time, it was their first shot at this kind of game. D2 doesn't get the same pass for me.
The point is to have fun? I've got a 305 Titan and still haven't explored most of the lost sectors or done all the adventure sidequests.
WickedLaharl
Member
Only for bungie to almost go back to square one again with destiny 3 cuz they have no clue how to craft a meaningful end game.
NascentGecko
Member
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Compsiox
Banned
My point is that they'll still be struggling to make Destiny reach its full potential even throughout the development of the last game in the trilogy. Which as far as we know is the final game in their contract.
All of this could have been prevented if they checked Joseph Staten's work on the story more often. Poor management. There was no reason for the entire story to end up being rejected.
HiredN00bs
Member
Oh no! They're fixing an specific annoying QoL aspect that I don't care about! Oh no!
Oh no! I loved Destiny 1's bullshit grind elements like killing Omnigul over and over again and they haven't brought those back yet! Oh no!
Oh no! Bungie is going to have an updated endgame with the expansion and they're going to charge money for it! Oh no!
Oh no! I've played this game for 8 hours a day and the endgame sucks but I'm still playing it! Oh NO!
You know what's a lot nicer? Collecting sets of gear. Maxing collections.
If what you like is better, you're happy with the endgame. If what you like is gone, you're not. It's that simple. The conflict lies in that collecting and building a maxed arsenal is so much better precisely because they removed the random rolls. You can eliminate duplicates because you can alter mods on weapons and armor at any time.
Oh no! I loved Destiny 1's bullshit grind elements like killing Omnigul over and over again and they haven't brought those back yet! Oh no!
Oh no! Bungie is going to have an updated endgame with the expansion and they're going to charge money for it! Oh no!
Oh no! I've played this game for 8 hours a day and the endgame sucks but I'm still playing it! Oh NO!
I think the problem is that people are drawn to different things for the endgame. There were people that liked chasing god rolls. That's mostly gone (you can coordinate your armor mods with your loadouts, but that's about as close to optimizing gear as it gets).
You know what's a lot nicer? Collecting sets of gear. Maxing collections.
If what you like is better, you're happy with the endgame. If what you like is gone, you're not. It's that simple. The conflict lies in that collecting and building a maxed arsenal is so much better precisely because they removed the random rolls. You can eliminate duplicates because you can alter mods on weapons and armor at any time.
Conkerkid11
Member
Have they said how the PC launch is gonna work? Still staggered content?
All future content will be in sync with consoles, no more staggering.
They also most likely sync PC to event schedule that is used for consoles so all three platforms are in full sync.
Compsiox
Banned
I hope the events for like first week or two won't be in sync. I want a proper launch
Aztechnology
Member
Same here! It's why I decided to play a different game instead, a lot of fun. There's absolutely no compelling reason to do sidequests or lost sectors. It's just a cave full of enemies or a modified patrol mission of some kind effectively. It's not even about loot or anything, there's not a compelling story or narrative reason to do it either, they're fetch quests from an MMO essentially.
Lunafreya Nox Fleuret
Member
I dont really have much complaints with Destiny 2, tbh. Some things can be improved but for the most part I do love how I can log on without feeling constantly stressed to grind.
I hope the events for like first week or two won't be in sync. I want a proper launch
I feel that PC crowd will be lucky if stuff like raid and its difficulties are staggered even by few weeks, like they are for consoles. I expect to see Trials on PC, on PC release week and so on.
Will Bungie even do proper marketing push for PC version or just slip it out?
Exploratory
Banned
Warnen
Don't pass gaas, it is your Destiny!
I spent like an hour deleting green shaders last week, shit almost filled up again...
Vincent Alexander
Member
Honestly, I thought they turned Destiny 1 around great....which is how I'm confused about Destiny 2. I love it still, but I thought Bungie had learned their lesson better after part 1.
Compsiox
Banned
There's a huge potential audience on PC. Especially since the game can't be pirated. I'd expect them to go all out with marketing.
By the time the Taken King came out Destiny 2 was probably too far into development to implement all of the changes they made with the first one. They had like what 1000+ people working on Destiny 2? Pushing those changes would be difficult.
Aztechnology
Member
A lot of people have been telling me this, they say they played 1000's of hours in D1, and they love that D2 is in a place where they feel they complete their goals every week easily, they have all the gear, so they can just "play". So... the gunplay and the enemy variety, is really enough for so many people to simply repeat the same content over and over without any variation? That's where I'm lost of this equation.
What is Destiny without gear? That's almost the entirety of the game, even the story is basically just a half-assed launching point to the place where you start trying to get the gear. Without builds, without interesting and somewhat intricate variations and options, what do games like these really provide? Like I can't imagine playing Diablo or POE over and over again without difficulty modifiers, without seasons and the more intricate elements of the gear and skill tree frameworks etc.
I honestly want to know, Like do people here also play 100's or even thousands of hours of specific Halo missions over and over again here? Like I understand Halo as a complete piece, a narrative driven game, that was played in co-op often. At least had multiple difficulties etc. But I can't imagine playing like 3-4 missions over and over again and being content with the game.
So that would leave PVP for me? But I really don't care about PVP that much, unless it has interesting party game modes. Wierd, zany and fun MP game modes are my jam. Destiny doesn't have those
This is basically why I and many others stopped bothering with customization there's always the good shader you'll come across and go "it looks good, but I don't want to apply it yet because it's limited and my armor pieces or weapon could change, might as well not use it at all"
Rather than encourage you to experiment with different looks or seek out certain shaders, it ends up discouraging you from the whole thing.
Orochinagis
Member
I would like a shader that covers all your armor and have unlimited uses after you unlock it, sounds crazy but it can work, trust me
SomewhatGroovy
Banned
Maybe you don't. Doesn't mean nothing is wrong so no need for the name calling and leaps of logic.
But how we can monetize this to generate steady flow of dough?
Vincent Alexander
Member
Yeah...A good point, and you're probably right. I would think that means the bar is really high for them then with the first DLC.
TemplaerDude
Member
I'm used to seeing Bungie spin stuff around in their PR so this is honestly refreshing.
Since launch Ive been concerned about them being limited so ive only used like 5 of them. And like you said, I have no intention of hunting down a COLOR item for my gear.
EL CUCO
Member
Well rumor is there's no new Raid so thats a good start. Would love to eat crow on that one.
Aztechnology
Member
This was my assumption, which also means Destiny 3, if already in development, could repeat this issue again.
I've made a thread about and talked about this many times before. But the structure of many AAA titles today seems to be trending towards rough framework games, that are rounded out or completed during additional year/years.
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Aztechnology said:
Honestly, I was largely in support for going back to square one for Destiny 2, I think it was absolutely necessary to do, but they just went in an entirely unexpected direction for me personally. I also really hadn't factored in the fact that probably some time around Prison of Elders or earlier they had already started development for Destiny 2, off the back/code of D1.
Orochinagis
Member
There are certain shader that changes patterns of the armor which can be further monetized also I am surprised Bungie didnt add up cosmetic armor sets like the one you can get from Ever Vest , we got several cosmetic armor sets from Destiny 1 Year 3, even seasonal cosmetic helmets without counting seasonal shaders.
There is a lot of cosmetic improvement if Bungie (and Activision) in form of Ghosts, Sparrows, Ships, Alt Weapon skins and PVP/PVE auras they could suck on Destiny
Gaiaknight
Member
Most of my issues with the game stem from the god awful token system and the endless amount of repeated gear they give. Iron banner has been a massive disappointment because of it, 15 packages later and only 1 piece of armor for my hunter but damn if they didnt give me the same gun 7 times its honestly what has made me stop playing the game and probably wont go back unless they make some huge changes for the first expansion.
Aztechnology
Member
Oh, they're coming. I imagine a lot of stuff will come with a big "Update", so likely another event, and then Eververse update. They probably didn't want to bring too much stuff to Eververse too early to avoid potential blowback.