*smh* you guys need to be smarter than this.
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Rumor: Build 2014 cloud destruction demo = Crackdown 3
- Thread starter Sho_Nuff82
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*smh* you guys need to be smarter than this.
If the objects aren't baked to break in certain ways it can get expensive. breaking down the pieces into new rigid bodies(which loads new rigid bodies) can be expensive. There's a reason why developers make heavy use of the factory pattern to reuse objects.
The Crimson Kid
what are you waiting for
That Build demo isn't even legit because they are running completely different versions of the demos on both computers, even though they try to pass it off as the same demo. The person running the demo accidentally spins the camera around on one of them and there's a vast difference in the objects between one and the other. There's no verifiable conclusion to be drawn about the "power of the cloud" from this because it isn't a controlled (scientific method kind of control) experiment/demonstration.
If the only variable between the two was the connection to the cloud, then some conclusions could be drawn. But it isn't, so they can't be.
If the only variable between the two was the connection to the cloud, then some conclusions could be drawn. But it isn't, so they can't be.
What? They're using Azure which is already huge, Why would it require very fast internet? It's not like they're rendering anything, only doing physics calculations which are tiny.
DrGonzo615
Banned
Power of the cloud = all your games wont run for shit once the Xbox Two comes out.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
Crackdown is going to be ridiculous with this tech.
Maintenance
Member
And the always-online shows its head again, smh. But at least if it is true then it wasn't vaporware.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yes and Yes.
Wishmaster92
Member
Yep, incredible.
Syphon Filter
Member
Is Crackdown 3 online only?
No matter how much large server is their is cost attached to which is very high compared to normal operations which can be done locally. Even calculating physics is part of rendering and when its not done locally it would require massive speed to happen without player noticing any lag
nikos
Member
Seems like a shady demo. First, the building was breaking before the rockets hit it. It's just a demo, so that's understandable.
What's shady is they didn't know the same level of destruction. After he "detonated" the building, he turned around immediately and shot something else. When he turned back around to face the building, the level of destruction was not the same as in the first demo.
Why not demo the same exact scenario for comparison?
What's shady is they didn't know the same level of destruction. After he "detonated" the building, he turned around immediately and shot something else. When he turned back around to face the building, the level of destruction was not the same as in the first demo.
Why not demo the same exact scenario for comparison?
It was great in Red Fraction GW.
What an awesome game and I'm surprised we haven't had much experiences like that.
Because he was showing that the system wasn't being bogged down by doing all the physics calculations locally?
Spring-Loaded
Member
If Crackdown could reach Red Faction level of destruction but across an entire city, it'd confirm my XB purchase based on that alone
Because offloading trivial prebaked/non-dynamic/non-interactive/high latency stuff is the only thing you can do with cloud+todays internet speeds.
Avalanche said:
Digital Foundry said:
miDnIghtEr20C
Banned
Hey, let's shit on some tech demo!
Good stuff here. Can't wait for the new Crackdown. I rather have destruction and stuff like this in my next gen games, over shiny Avatar graphics. Honestly. Give be effects and sounds.
Good stuff here. Can't wait for the new Crackdown. I rather have destruction and stuff like this in my next gen games, over shiny Avatar graphics. Honestly. Give be effects and sounds.
Graphics Horse
Member
Ahh That's a damn good theory. I was watching the demo wondering how it would work if it was really on that scale, but I'd forgotten about this thing.
You're not making much sense, you could stream it off a disc if it was prebaked and non interactive.
So it may be an online required multiplayer only game. It's not like it'd be the first.
Edit: Thinking about it, if it's a game with a focus on huge scale city levelling destruction it might not be suitable for a traditional open world, you'd need a reset every so often.
You're not making much sense, you could stream it off a disc if it was prebaked and non interactive.
So it may be an online required multiplayer only game. It's not like it'd be the first.
Edit: Thinking about it, if it's a game with a focus on huge scale city levelling destruction it might not be suitable for a traditional open world, you'd need a reset every so often.
That's exactly the right question, sir. Not if technologically speaking is possible or it (it is, or it will be), but how costs will be managed.
Regret Upon Approval
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Destruction and crumbling I don't think is as latency crippled as other game things. It can play out slower than more player-centred events.
I would expect that by when x2 arrives, costs to maintain infrastructure to keep xbox one games would be inexpensive. But certainly it is a reasonable concern, not only for cloud based games, but for online games in general.
grosvenor_92
Member
I'd certainly buy the game if what the trailer shows is actually possible in game
Most of those calcs were probably done and received by the client before the projectiles hit the building
They don't need to be done in render, but be packaged in a way so they are shown and synchronized across all connected clients in real time.
The game will be able to do a lot by itself and offload any extra work to the cloud
These types of things aren't really strict latency bound... there are limits but as long as the player doesnt have direct interaction with anything that needs calculation, there is leeway.
Environment destruction is very very good for cloud calculation
SmoothRunningGun
Member
Not a rumor. Confirmed by Phil:
I called it? I called it.
Awesome! Game can't be before 2016 though.
Not a rumor. Confirmed by Phil:
I called it? I called it.
This is epic. Crackdown and Xbox one, here I come (When I get the money!)
Hockeymac18
Member
Yeah, here's a video they released after the build conference that shows the demos side by side with same destruction sequence (the cloud one finishes first so they go on to do a lot more destruction): http://youtube.com/watch?v=ECsbaO1XGBU
Better video since it isn't "shady," as some put it. They actually released it because people didn't like that he turned his back to the building in the live demo. This tech seems pretty cool, looking forward to seeing what they do with it in crackdown.
intheinbetween
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you should know cloudgine is a company focused in cloud computing, and David Jones is the founder of the company. as fas as I researched back in the day ntkrnl leaked all the info Cloudgine is not a gaming company, but they have some interesting cloud computing solutions.
from last 20th of May: http://www.developer-tech.com/news/2014/may/20/cloudgine-microsofts-secret-xbox-one-sauce/
from last 20th of May: http://www.developer-tech.com/news/2014/may/20/cloudgine-microsofts-secret-xbox-one-sauce/
But if David Jones is at the helm they are probably forming a team to create a game (or already formed).
What I mean is that Cloudgine could be a "tech" company before, doing the prototypes and when they made it work they got game guys.
I don't know, they didn't show any devs at the end of the trailer did they?
Miles Quaritch
Member
Looks very cool, but I really don't like the idea of leaving something like destructibility (which I assume will be a major aspect of the gameplay based on the trailer) to the cloud.
I'd prefer they built their own version of Geo Mod 2.0 or just licensed that incredible tech so they have a rock solid offline solution.
I'd prefer they built their own version of Geo Mod 2.0 or just licensed that incredible tech so they have a rock solid offline solution.
Iced_Eagle
Member
Not a rumor. Confirmed by Phil:
I called it? I called it.
Well, there it is.
intheinbetween
Member
David Jones will most likely the man behind the development of the game, but I can see MS outsourcing the development and David Jones leading. Cloudgine would be providing the cloud computing tech.
TrueGrime
Member
Not a rumor. Confirmed by Phil:
I called it? I called it.
Interesting.
justsomeguy
Member
And yet dedi servers have been a thing for years.
See You Next Wednesday
Banned
Crackdown 3 is now on my wish list.
matty2Dfraud
Banned
Azure isn't only used for online gaming and server availability scales appropriately according to a product's current demand. I'm pretty sure MS knows what they're doing in this area.
And I don't know if games like Crackdown will require gold to play, but co-op and multiplayer (Crackdown co-op was amazing) will continue to push gold subs. There is your fee.
Again, Azure server availability scales according to the current population of a product. If no one is playing a cloud heavy or multiplayer game those servers will just be used for other game/enterprise products. It costs MS almost nothing to continue supporting games on Azure regardless of how few people are playing.
A number of people were wondering if it was Crackdown releated back when they showed the demo.
I don't expect the destruction to be so detailed that it could be hampered by one's internet, but it certainly makes the possibility of more realistic destruction of large objects possible.
They could easily build the game with two types of destruction. Without the internet you have pre-baked stuff like games of the past. With online you have more realistic physics and destruction.
Of course, if the game is MMO/Co-Op/persistent online like.....you could just maintain the destruction across each instance of the game.
I don't expect the destruction to be so detailed that it could be hampered by one's internet, but it certainly makes the possibility of more realistic destruction of large objects possible.
They could easily build the game with two types of destruction. Without the internet you have pre-baked stuff like games of the past. With online you have more realistic physics and destruction.
Of course, if the game is MMO/Co-Op/persistent online like.....you could just maintain the destruction across each instance of the game.
gamechanger87
Member
I believe Spencer stated in a later interview that single player games with concurrent multiplayer/online connections will not require Gold.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
Hopefully a mod can change the title. I will update the OP with the newer video and tweet.
MS has invested literally billions into Azure, it is their biggest R&D expenditure.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...ays-to-spend-90-of-r-d-on-cloud-strategy.html
It's an investment that goes far, far beyond the 1-2 million people that might play a game like Crackdown. It's the fastest growing part of their company.
MS has invested literally billions into Azure, it is their biggest R&D expenditure.
http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...ays-to-spend-90-of-r-d-on-cloud-strategy.html
It's an investment that goes far, far beyond the 1-2 million people that might play a game like Crackdown. It's the fastest growing part of their company.
I'd imagine it's an always online game, even in SP. If the destruction works that well I can't complain.