The Official Halo 3 Thread - Page 1511

Frenck · (10-09-2008, 11:54 AM)

So what do you guys think about the Flood outbreak in Halo Wars?

How will they make that fit into canon?!? (if they do)

Dax01 · (10-09-2008, 12:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Frenck:

So what do you guys think about the Flood outbreak in Halo Wars?

How will they make that fit into canon?!? (if they do)

Is the Halo Wars trailer from last night available to the public? All I heard about Halo Wars and the Flood was that the Flood were in the game.

LukeSmith · (10-09-2008, 01:04 PM)

Originally Posted by godhandiscen:

The gamespot rumor.

There's your problem -- you're getting all wrapped up in bogus rumors. Fail less! ;b

Brian and I have a bunch of interviews tomorrow with the good stewards of the worldwide media; so there should be some more information to be gleaned from those.

Dax01 · 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by LukeSmith:

There's your problem -- you're getting all wrapped up in bogus rumors. Fail less! ;b

Brian and I have a bunch of interviews tomorrow with the good stewards of the worldwide media; so there should be some more information to be gleaned from those.

That's good to hear.

Edit:

Originally Posted by LukeSmith:

The word "stealth" here isn't really a great word. This isn't a stealth action game like a Splinter Cell game. This is a Bungie-made Halo game where you will play as an ODST, which of course, is different (and no, I'm not talking about how it's different ;b) than playing as a Spartan super soldier. This isn't Halo Cell, Ghost Recon: Halo, Republic Commandalo or whatever.

If you are telling us this, how much are you able to reveal at this point?

LukeSmith · (10-09-2008, 01:10 PM)

Quote:

Microsoft's Press Release: While the feel of this new chapter greatly resembles that of previous Halo experiences, Halo 3: Recon will require you to employ more elements of stealth and cunning than ever before.

The word "stealth" here isn't really a great word. This isn't a stealth action game like a Splinter Cell game. This is a Bungie-made Halo game where you will play as an ODST, which of course, is different (and no, I'm not talking about how it's different ;b) than playing as a Spartan super soldier. This isn't Halo Cell, Ghost Recon: Halo, Republic Commandalo or whatever.

Edit: Forgot Call of Halo and Gears of Halo.

Frenck · (10-09-2008, 01:17 PM)

Originally Posted by Dax01:

Is the Halo Wars trailer from last night available to the public? All I heard about Halo Wars and the Flood was that the Flood were in the game.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/41105.html

It starts at the 4:50 minute mark. It's not a closed off Forerunner installation buried deep beneath the surface. This is a full scale Flood outbreak out in the open on the fields of Harvest.

Trasher · (10-09-2008, 01:29 PM)

Originally Posted by Frenck:

So what do you guys think about the Flood outbreak in Halo Wars?

How will they make that fit into canon?!? (if they do)

Well I believe in the trailer we saw with the Arbiter he talks about the "infection." So I'm pretty sure there is gonna be flood.

Frenck · (10-09-2008, 01:34 PM)

Originally Posted by Trasher:

Well I believe in the trailer we saw with the Arbiter he talks about the "infection." So I'm pretty sure there is gonna be flood.

Before I saw the video above I hoped that it would be a cameo appearance or a fight against them in the depths of a Forerunner installation but the vid shows that they are on the surface en masse. There are even tentacles coming out of the ground. Ensemble has to blow up Harvest and every one involved with a planet killer nuke if they don't want to interfere with established canon.

Mr Vociferous · (10-09-2008, 01:48 PM)

Originally Posted by LukeSmith:

The word "stealth" here isn't really a great word.

Too late, I've already coined HALO GEAR SOLID 4: ODSTS FOR FREEDOM AND LIBERTY.

Originally Posted by Frenck:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/41105.html

It starts at the 4:50 minute mark. It's not a closed off Forerunner installation buried deep beneath the surface. This is a full scale Flood outbreak out in the open on the fields of Harvest.

Thanks for the link. It looks like it’s going to be a fun game to play.

To answer your original question: No, I don't think that the inclusion of Forerunner technology or Flood, even openly on a planet’s surface, are deal breakers when it comes to the fiction. I can already think of a dozen ways it can easily and elegantly fit into Halo's timeline of events without breaking continuity or coming across as contrived. That said, if we get a few of theses prequels with Forerunner technology and/or Flood involved, then there might be issues. I’ve always held that the best possible Flood game would be one like Dead Space, so hopefully we see a title like that in the future.

Also, was anyone ever a fan of Full Spectrum Warrior? I loved the first one as a hybrid between a tactical shooter and an RTS, heavier on the latter. I think a Halo game with that pretext would actually be a lot of fun.

xxjuicesxx · (10-09-2008, 01:52 PM)

I dunno if this has been asked before but probably. Anyways it seems when you load a queue of file transfers the Xbox doesn't check to see if there are any queued unless I sign in and out. Is there an easier way?

Frenck · (10-09-2008, 01:58 PM)

I can only think of two solutions. Probably due to a lack of creativity or a lack of sleep.

1) As I mentioned. They blow up everything and everyone involved at the end of the game.

2) The Spirit of Fire crew surivives, reports back to the UNSC and it turns out that a top secret ONI branch knew about the Flood 20 years before the events of the trilogy (possible tie in with Cole Protocol).

There are other options like collective amnesia (

) or the Star Trek: Enterprise way of saying "but they didn't know they were fighting the Flood, it could have been any hyper intelligent alien parasite lifeform."

I give the Bungie franchise group and Ensemble enough credit not to consider those.

I'm genuinely interested in possible solutions to this whole thing.

Chinner · (10-09-2008, 02:10 PM)

hey is gamevee working yet?

GM Bullfrog · (10-09-2008, 02:18 PM)

Originally Posted by xxjuicesxx:

I dunno if this has been asked before but probably. Anyways it seems when you load a queue of file transfers the Xbox doesn't check to see if there are any queued unless I sign in and out. Is there an easier way?

I think I recall that you can just back out to the menu and it will cause a recheck for new files and they will download.

Wizman23 · (10-09-2008, 02:26 PM)

WOW so much hate and trolling in the Halo 3 Recon thread.

xxjuicesxx · (10-09-2008, 02:29 PM)

Originally Posted by GM Bullfrog:

I think I recall that you can just back out to the menu and it will cause a recheck for new files and they will download.

Thanks, I thought that did it but I tried and it didn't but since you said it did I tried again and it did. Guess the second times a charm.

On a side note you can download a lot of files. I thought there was a limit people complained about but I have all the MLG maps/gametypes. My files (Forges, pictures, videos), and I downloaded like 50 pros gameplays off their fileshares and I'm still not at the limit. How are people honestly complaining about this?

GM Bullfrog · (10-09-2008, 02:30 PM)

Originally Posted by Wizman23:

WOW so much hate and trolling in the Halo 3 Recon thread.

There is a reason why most of the Halo faithful stay in this thread.

Originally Posted by xxjuicesxx:

Thanks, I thought that did it but I tried and it didn't but since you said it did I tried again and it did. Guess the second times a charm.

np

Shake Appeal · (10-09-2008, 02:37 PM)

Originally Posted by Frenck:

1) As I mentioned. They blow up everything and everyone involved at the end of the game.

This.

I still want my scary-as-shit, stranded-in-space, even-more-blatant-Alien-ripoff Flood game, please. That ends with a Nuclear Explosion.

BladedExpert · (10-09-2008, 02:38 PM)

I don't even read the Halo threads outside of the Halo 3 Official thread and the two screenshot threads we've had. So much unecessary bickering and too many laughable posts. Pretty lame for the most part.

Frenck · (10-09-2008, 02:41 PM)

Originally Posted by Wizman23:

WOW so much hate and trolling in the Halo 3 Recon thread.

That means Bungie did something right. The more GAF hates a game the better it will end up being. GAF hates GTA 4 too and that's the best game I've played this year.

wayward archer · (10-09-2008, 02:47 PM)

I've been playing through bits of the campaign recently (getting some skulls that I never got around to mostly, but some playing for fun as well) and I'm remembering how much I initially enjoyed it before I moved on to multiplayer only. One of these days I need to make a legendary run.

Anyway thinking about this made me realize I do very much want some more Halo 3 campaign. I was initially disappointed but it was all my own self-hyping this as the rumored 3rd person/squad/cover/big co-op game but hopefully that's in the pipe as well. Bungie always tells a good story (Halo 2 included) so i'm sure they'll do something pretty cool with it.

Wizman23 · (10-09-2008, 02:49 PM)

So from the info we have so far and what Luke just said it looks to me like it will be a FPS. No complaints here....if it aint broke don't fix it.

alisdair · (10-09-2008, 02:52 PM)

Is anyone else disappointed that Squad Battle is 2/3 slayer? I was hoping for a 2/3 objective playlist, or at least half of each.

Chinner · (10-09-2008, 02:58 PM)

Originally Posted by alisdair:

Is anyone else disappointed that Squad Battle is 2/3 slayer? I was hoping for a 2/3 objective playlist, or at least half of each.

Shamefully we're the minority here. Most people just want slayer.

MiloFoxburr · (10-09-2008, 03:06 PM)

Originally Posted by Chinner:

Shamefully we're the minority here. Most people just want slayer.

Slayer for the win! Most big team objective games I play nowadays degenerate into Slayer anyways with no one (Bar me and my brother) going for the Flag or defending the Flag etc

wayward archer · (10-09-2008, 03:08 PM)

Originally Posted by alisdair:

Is anyone else disappointed that Squad Battle is 2/3 slayer? I was hoping for a 2/3 objective playlist, or at least half of each.

Yeah a little bit. I'd be happy with a 50/50 split.

Right now one game/map combo i'd like to see is squad battle crazy king on avalanche with tons of mongooses and nothing else, where you have to use the vehicles to move from place to place, then jump off and fight at the objective.

Guess it won't happen except in custom games, which the usual parties I join don't seem to want to do these days. :(

Merguson · (10-09-2008, 03:19 PM)

Originally Posted by LukeSmith:

The word "stealth" here isn't really a great word. This isn't a stealth action game like a Splinter Cell game. This is a Bungie-made Halo game where you will play as an ODST, which of course, is different (and no, I'm not talking about how it's different ;b) than playing as a Spartan super soldier. This isn't Halo Cell, Ghost Recon: Halo, Republic Commandalo or whatever.

Edit: Forgot Call of Halo and Gears of Halo.

More like Sneak King?

fin · (10-09-2008, 03:24 PM)

Originally Posted by Frenck:

That means Bungie did something right. The more GAF hates a game the better it will end up being. GAF hates GTA 4 too and that's the best game I've played this year.

So Too Human is game of forever....sounds good to me!

Chinner · (10-09-2008, 03:26 PM)

Originally Posted by fin:

So Too Human is game of forever....sounds good to me!

Yeah, his logic isn't really sound.

Sai-kun · (10-09-2008, 03:31 PM)

2 things.

SI is the CUTEST THING EVER.

:3

and

The music from the trailer is frakkin' awesome.

GunFingers · (10-09-2008, 03:51 PM)

Originally Posted by cjelly:

Phew, thank God I didn't lose my Security helmet. I was abouts to go psycho.

Whew, my next achievement re-unlocked the security helmet. I feel like I can see behind me again.

Trasher · 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by Chinner:

Shamefully we're the minority here. Most people just want slayer.

To let you all know, if you didn't know already, TJ Trasher is not the biggest fan of Squad Battle and BTB gametypes. BUT, TJ Trasher DOES enjoy Multi-Flag Avalanche when he is fortunate enough to not lag during the game. One of the best gametypes in Halo 3 IMO.

Vote for Change
Multi-Flag Avalanche only in 2008

Edit: Btw, CrazedArabMan. I see you like the Red Wings. Good man.

pringles · (10-09-2008, 03:57 PM)

Originally Posted by Chinner:

Yeah, his logic isn't really sound.

Especially since he brings up GTAIV.. the game that has gotten the most rightful backlash of any game in the history of time..

Recon sounds great.. but I didn't expect the release date to be so far away.

Wizman23 · (10-09-2008, 04:09 PM)

Originally Posted by fin:

So Too Human is game of forever....sounds good to me!

Hey don't hate! Too Human as of now is my personal game of the year....and Ive played through GTA 4,MGS 4 (Wish I never bought a PS3) and other highly rated games. I do however think that either Fable 2, Gears 2, or Left 4 Dead will knock Too Human down on a few notches on my game of the year list. The more I see of Left 4 Dead the more I feel that it is going to be a HUGE success.

alisdair · (10-09-2008, 04:20 PM)

Originally Posted by Trasher:

Multi-Flag Avalanche only in 2008

I'd rather have an even split among Multi-Flag, Neutral Bomb, and Slayer, and an even split among Avalanche, Valhalla, Rat's Nest, Standoff, and SAND TARP. That would be the bestest.

When there are so many possible objective gametypes, why is there no good objective playlist?

Team Objective has inappropriate gametypes for 4v4. The flag/bomb takes about 5 years to return, you spawn with an AR so you get spawn-camped really easily, and there are a billion maulers and shotguns to let people camp in the flagspot. Probably because of this, no-one plays it: I haven't seen the population over 1,000 for months.

Skirmish is 40% Land Grab and Territories, and the "good" gametypes are only as good as Team Objective. And 5v5 is the worst possible size of team.

Squad Battle is 67% slayer, and DLC Big Team has some terrible gametypes in it: VIP, Land Grab, Heavies, and especially Splockets. And it's also 35% slayer.

I really liked Ranked Big Team. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought it was no more than 50% slayer, and the rest of the gametypes worked well with teams of 6, 7, or 8.

I don't really understand why slayer has been given such a boost in the replacement for RBT. You can kill people for points in almost every playlist, but there's nowhere to just play good objective games. This makes me sad.

CrazedArabMan · (10-09-2008, 04:49 PM)

Originally Posted by Trasher:

Edit: Btw, CrazedArabMan. I see you like the Red Wings. Good man.

Oh, you'll pay, you'll pay, I'm slowly narrowing down my search tooyou didn't say hello, I r sad :(

GhaleonEB · (10-09-2008, 04:53 PM)

Originally Posted by BladedExpert:

I don't even read the Halo threads outside of the Halo 3 Official thread and the two screenshot threads we've had. So much unecessary bickering and too many laughable posts. Pretty lame for the most part.

Ditto. It's like we have a Halo thread for us, and one for them. Which is fine with me.

cjelly · (10-09-2008, 05:01 PM)

I hope we get some clarification on the Mythic Map Pack tomorrow, this is getting crazy with all the speculation. The achievements are out there, people know it exists. Bungie could clear this up in one sentence.

fin · (10-09-2008, 05:04 PM)

Originally Posted by Wizman23:

Hey don't hate!

I'm not hating. I got over 50 hours into Too Human...I like it.

GM Bullfrog · (10-09-2008, 05:27 PM)

Originally Posted by cjelly:

I hope we get some clarification on the Mythic Map Pack tomorrow, this is getting crazy with all the speculation. The achievements are out there, people know it exists. Bungie could clear this up in one sentence.

Agreed. I don't mind waiting on H3R, but I really want these new maps sooner rather than later.

Mr Vociferous · (10-09-2008, 05:29 PM)

Originally Posted by Frenck:

I can only think of two solutions. Probably due to a lack of creativity or a lack of sleep.

1) As I mentioned. They blow up everything and everyone involved at the end of the game.

2) The Spirit of Fire crew surivives, reports back to the UNSC and it turns out that a top secret ONI branch knew about the Flood 20 years before the events of the trilogy (possible tie in with Cole Protocol).

And to add to the variety here, keep in mind that we're dealing with a single ship in Cole's fleet - Spirit of Fire. We're not dealing with an entire fleet or a planet's population, just a single ship with very finite resources (made infinite for gameplay purposes).

Furthermore, that I'm aware of, we don't know where the Flood officially first appear in the game and how they appear. While we may interface with them underneath Harvest, within the Forerunner relic, the surface footage of the Flood appears to be on a completely separate planet/installation, possibly one without any colonial ties.

Your basic conclusion is correct though. Either people have to die so they can't speak or they're bound from discussing by ONI, both of which seem suitable given that similar things happened a tad earlier in the UNSC's history with Onyx and Reach, and their Forerunner artifacts. Section 3 has been covering up the Forerunners for years.

DancingJesus · (10-09-2008, 05:38 PM)

Wow so awesome. Loved the new trailer, I do wonder though what that silencer on the SMG was all about. :P

Can't wait to hear more about it.

Captain Blood · (10-09-2008, 05:40 PM)

Originally Posted by Trasher:

It would appear so. Could be a really cool way of getting info with the SI throwing hints out at you through billboards, advertisements on the walls, etc.

This would definitely be the way to go. I think another interesting way to interact with SI would be through pre-recorded audio. I am sure a city AI would have short audio clip like "Stay Calm" and maybe in important situations he cut words from these recordings to communicate something relevant. Either way I think the idea of this guardian helping you throughout the city very cool.

Edit: whoever said he would rather the game have Spartan characters instead of ODST is dumb.

<-------- *takes back what he said* :P

OuterWorldVoice · (10-09-2008, 05:41 PM)

Originally Posted by LukeSmith:

The word "stealth" here isn't really a great word. This isn't a stealth action game like a Splinter Cell game. This is a Bungie-made Halo game where you will play as an ODST, .

Is Raiden in it?

Wizman23 · (10-09-2008, 05:42 PM)

So maybe this is a stupid question but how come the Recon helmet that everyone wants to get in Halo 3 looks nothing like the helmet the ODST is wearing in the trailer? Am I missing something?

DancingJesus · (10-09-2008, 05:44 PM)

Originally Posted by Captain Blood:

This would definitely be the way to go. I think another interesting way to interact with SI would be through pre-recorded audio. I am sure a city AI would have short audio clip like "Stay Calm" and maybe in important situations he cut words from these recordings to communicate something relevant. Either way I think the idea of this guardian helping you throughout the city very cool.

Edit: whoever said he would rather the game have Spartan characters instead of ODST is dumb.

<-------- *takes back what he said* :P

Aye dude, I've been rocking the ODST helmet since H3 launch in multiplayer.

Nutter · (10-09-2008, 05:45 PM)

That ODST is wearing an ODST helmet. He just happens to be part of a Recon team, or maybe he teams up with a recon team later in the game. :p

Dirtbag · (10-09-2008, 05:46 PM)

Originally Posted by OuterWorldVoice:

Is Raiden in it?

No but I heard vampires and a guy in a gimp suit who can predict when your console will RRoD by scanning your memory cards, all made the cut.

Mah Sor-sezs confurmd it Tru

Captain Blood · (10-09-2008, 05:46 PM)

Originally Posted by Wizman23:

So maybe this is a stupid question but how come the Recon helmet that everyone wants to get in Halo 3 looks nothing like the helmet the ODST is wearing in the trailer? Am I missing something?

The Recon helmet is a Spartan variant. I am thinking this game is Halo3: Recon because this lone ODST will have to be a little more cautious and a little less guns blazing since he isn't the Master Chief.

Originally Posted by Dirtbag 504:

No but I heard vampires and a guy in a gimp suit who can predict when your console will RRoD by scanning your memory cards made cut.

Mah Sor-sezs confurmd it Tru

wat

Insaniac · (10-09-2008, 05:48 PM)

sometimes while playing the Halo 3 campaign i've wished that stealth tactics worked against the AI. I liked crouch walking through sierra 117 picking off stray grunts and stuff, but the minute I do the AI knows exactly where I am. So as long as Halo 3 Recon gives you the option of being somewhat stealthy or just run n gun i'm fine with it

godhandiscen · (10-09-2008, 05:48 PM)

Originally Posted by Wizman23:

So maybe this is a stupid question but how come the Recon helmet that everyone wants to get in Halo 3 looks nothing like the helmet the ODST is wearing in the trailer? Am I missing something?

I think the term "Recon" stands for the kind of mission he is in. The "Recon helmet" belongs to the Recon variant of the Spartan armor. I doubt the ODST will get to wear it.

Originally Posted by LukeSmith:

There's your problem -- you're getting all wrapped up in bogus rumors. Fail less! ;b

Brian and I have a bunch of interviews tomorrow with the good stewards of the worldwide media; so there should be some more information to be gleaned from those.

I am already over meltdown state. Will you guys talk about the technology being employed?