March 10th, 2015 for the USWhen is the blu Ray coming out?
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(12-19-2014, 11:51 PM)
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(12-19-2014, 11:52 PM)
Maybe. From a clip I just watched it seemed on the same quality... Well actually Idk. I feel like I saw Wonder Woman at one point. I just really don't know. If there are no other culprits on TV right now then yeah it was probably that.By any chance was it Avengers Assemble they were watching? Cause I hear that has really poor animation for an action show.
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(12-19-2014, 11:52 PM)
I am not sure what you are arguing right now, Azula.
I mean, there is always someone who has a different view. And there are lots and lots of people who don't like homosexuality at all and would feel it forced and you can always argue that the majority of americans are straight whites and thus everything else would be deviant. And the young girl and you (and for that matter all the americans who have a problem with homosexuality) are definitely entitled to her opinion.
But the point is, that I don't think that anything is forced, just because it's not the norm. With this argumentation you could also say that Korra's skin color is forced. There are also light skinned waterbenders and most of america is light skins.
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I mean, there is always someone who has a different view. And there are lots and lots of people who don't like homosexuality at all and would feel it forced and you can always argue that the majority of americans are straight whites and thus everything else would be deviant. And the young girl and you (and for that matter all the americans who have a problem with homosexuality) are definitely entitled to her opinion.
But the point is, that I don't think that anything is forced, just because it's not the norm. With this argumentation you could also say that Korra's skin color is forced. There are also light skinned waterbenders and most of america is light skins.
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Yay! I liked JLU very much, especially as it actually got story arcs. If you liked KLU you will love Young Justice, since it's way more focused and has a smaller cast of heroes, making it less confusing who the hell just jumped into the screen.hmmmm not bad. I'll watch it after I'm done JLU.
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(12-19-2014, 11:53 PM)
Was it ever specifically established, like via dialogue, that Asami and Korra were into guys. Like was it ever stated "I'm totally into boys," or something similar?
I don't recall
I don't recall
Master Cancer Bender
(12-19-2014, 11:53 PM)
LolI am not sure what you are arguing right now, Azula.
I mean, there is always someone who has a different view. And there are lots and lots of people who don't like homosexuality at all and would feel it forced and you can always argue that the majority of americans are straight whites and thus everything else would be deviant. And the young girl and you (and for that matter all the americans who have a problem with homosexuality) are definitely entitled to her opinion.
But the point is, that I don't think that anything is forced, just because it's not the norm. With this argumentation you could also say that Korra's skin color is forced. There are also light skinned waterbenders and most of america is light skins.
I give up.
Master Cancer Bender
(12-19-2014, 11:55 PM)
No it wasn't. But they had full on romance with someone of that gender. Kissing, hugging. Intimate relationships.Originally Posted by BKatastrophe
Was it ever specifically established, like via dialogue, that Asami and Korra were into guys. Like was it ever stated "I'm totally into boys," or something similar?
I don't recall
But I'm done arguing. The funny thing is, i actually agree with you guys. You just don't seem to agree or understand my point about how plot presents something. How people perceive characters based on plot. I agree people are fluid. That sexuality is fluid. But since storytelling and characters are to some degree static (how they are, is informed by the plot we are given)....I think I totally get why some find it jarring.
*shrugs*
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(12-19-2014, 11:56 PM)
Just play haloNo it wasn't. But they had full on romance with someone of that gender. Kissing, hugging. Intimate relationships.
But I'm done arguing. The funny thing is, i actually agree with you guys. You just don't seem to agree or understand my point about how plot presents something.
Master Cancer Bender
(12-19-2014, 11:56 PM)
lolJust play halo
Just never post in here again.
Dat GAF meltdown.
EDIT: But I am kind of frustrated over this convo. Maybe I'm wrong. But I the way I see this purely from how story is told, I can just see it. Butt you guys can't. And since this is a very serious issue, I don't want to be on the wrong side of it. Personally, I support everything you guys are saying. But at the same time, I am able to see why others don't see it. Gah.
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(12-19-2014, 11:58 PM)
are we going to make a Avatar Community Thread?
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(12-19-2014, 11:59 PM)
Someone doesn't have to have a problem with homosexuality to think this relationship is forced. The girls were established as one way in the beginning and to many viewers the ending contradicts what we knew about their preferences. You could excuse that with saying sexuality is fluid or a number of other things, but it is an equal view to see it as forced or pandering or whatever due to the writing of bad romances in the show and how storytelling should work.I am not sure what you are arguing right now, Azula.
I mean, there is always someone who has a different view. And there are lots and lots of people who don't like homosexuality at all and would feel it forced and you can always argue that the majority of americans are straight whites and thus everything else would be deviant. And the young girl and you (and for that matter all the americans who have a problem with homosexuality) are definitely entitled to her opinion.
But the point is, that I don't think that anything is forced, just because it's not the norm. With this argumentation you could also say that Korra's skin color is forced. There are also light skinned waterbenders and most of america is light skins.
--Yay! I liked JLU very much, especially as it actually got story arcs. If you liked KLU you will love Young Justice, since it's way more focused and has a smaller cast of heroes, making it less confusing who the hell just jumped into the screen.
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(12-19-2014, 11:59 PM)
I equate Korrasami to Willow from Buffy. Granted, I think Willow and Oz will be forever, but that's because I like Oz more than Tara and Kennedy.
Either way, I didn't think it was forced at all. Just kind of eh. Like "oh it's a thing now."
Either way, I didn't think it was forced at all. Just kind of eh. Like "oh it's a thing now."
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(12-20-2014, 12:01 AM)
I don't know about the pandering.Someone doesn't have to have a problem with homosexuality to think this relationship is forced. The girls were established as one way in the beginning and to many viewers the ending contradicts what we knew about their preferences. You could excuse that with saying sexuality is fluid or a number of other things, but it is an equal view to see it as forced or pandering or whatever due to the writing of bad romances in the show.
But I think, while it's true that sexuality is fluid, and you really can't assume someone's preference is ONE WAY....
When you have a plot that is up and front, and shows them dating one gender. And then when you have a NON-PLOT (that was pushed to the back, because I assume they got pushback from the networks so they had to be careful)...that then shows them dating another gender.
I think the plot missing from the second relationship, is why some would think it's forced. I don't agree. Because I do think that sexuality is fluid. I do think you can't make assumptions. But I can see why audiences are informed purely on the plot they are given. And in that sense, I could get people thinking it felt out of no where and forced.
EDIT: But I can see I'm probably offending people. So I'm just going to stop. That was not my intention. And the fact is, I actually side with those that think Korrasami is not forced. I just was looking at this from a story perspective, and I can see why it felt jarring. But whatever.
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(12-20-2014, 12:02 AM)
I think its a bit forced just because there was no build up to it. The only things we had were the scraps of information of their friendship. In fact, that's probably one of my larger problems with LoK as a whole. The main 4 never truly felt like friends that hung out together. We were told they were friends and were expected to believe that.
I really don't like playing the "what if" game but I have to wonder what this show would have been like if it focused on the core 4 as a group like ATLA did.
I really don't like playing the "what if" game but I have to wonder what this show would have been like if it focused on the core 4 as a group like ATLA did.
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(12-20-2014, 12:02 AM)
Is it wrong that I just interpreted the ending as two very close friends going on a vacation/adventure together? I didn't see anything about sexuality until I went online and apparently Korra and Asami are together. I'm not against it, I just didn't see it.
I don't see sexual intent in human expression on a day to day basis anyway.
I don't see sexual intent in human expression on a day to day basis anyway.
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(12-20-2014, 12:02 AM)
But we saw hints before the last episode, it was pretty difficult to miss it, since the Korrasami fans jumped at every single one of them. It was made for me, when Korra informed us that she only could really talk with Asami over the course of her healing days, combined with the other hints we had about the two of them. And the blush killed if of course.Someone doesn't have to have a problem with homosexuality to think this relationship is forced. The girls were established as one way in the beginning and to many viewers the ending contradicts what we knew about their preferences. You could excuse that with saying sexuality is fluid or a number of other things, but it is an equal view to see it as forced or pandering or whatever due to the writing of bad romances in the show.
It's not wrong. I think it made on purpose that way, that both explanations are valid. Like the spinning top in Inception.Is it wrong that I just interpreted the ending as two very close friends going on a vacation/adventure together? I didn't see anything about sexuality until I went online and apparently Korra and Asami are together. I'm not against it, I just didn't see it.
I don't see sexual intent in human expression on a day to day basis anyway.
Master Cancer Bender
(12-20-2014, 12:03 AM)
We saw two friends very close. There was nothing to indicate romantic intentions. Fact is, shippers and fans jump over anything because they want their ship to happen. Even in Book 1 they were doing this.But we saw hints before the last episode, it was pretty difficult to miss it, since the Korrasami fans jumped at every single one of them. It was made for me, when Korra informed us that she only could really talk with Asami over the course of her healing days, combined with the other hints we had about the two of them. And the blush killed if of course.
To say that was actual plot, is kind of BS. It's not an up and front plot like them dating Mako was. If you really think the two are the same, don't know what to say. But they weren't. I theorize that because the network probably gave them pushback (which is pathetic), they had to use the close friendship plot as the actual romance plot itself. They had to dance around it and be careful. But because of that, there was no up and front romance plot like them dating Mako.
EDIT: Well, if we are going with the idea that emotions and relationships are fluid, then I suppose you can't even make assumptions one way or another, whether certain behaviors were romantic or not. Romantic tone, can be flexible. You don't need kissing, or dialogue to establish that. SO. I can admit that my above post is flawed.
Although I still don't see the two as 1:1. I think the Mako plots were obviously more up and front.
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(12-20-2014, 12:05 AM)
The assertion that they couldn't develop the relationship in the open is fair. Networks in the past have been very resistant to rocking the boat with LGBT relationships, and I can't imagine it's any better with animation geared at kids.
At the same time, that finale had to clear the same people and they let it fly. Maybe the ambiguity of it was enough, maybe they could have gotten away with it full stop. We don't know.
That'd be a fair excuse for the lack of development leading to that moment, but yeah, from a pure storytelling position, they did not earn it.
At the same time, that finale had to clear the same people and they let it fly. Maybe the ambiguity of it was enough, maybe they could have gotten away with it full stop. We don't know.
That'd be a fair excuse for the lack of development leading to that moment, but yeah, from a pure storytelling position, they did not earn it.
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(12-20-2014, 12:07 AM)
That was the genius of it, the thing that makes it so much better than the other romances in the show. Subtlety. I think they had to do it that way, because everyone knows how sensitive the american public is to homosexuality, but it worked out pretty well. The progress felt very natural. Lovers are also friends, you know (usually). American media are just terrible at this with these love on first sight and focus on sexual attraction thing.We saw two friends very close. There was nothing to indicate romantic intentions. Fact is, shippers and fans jump over anything because they want their ship to happen. Even in Book 1 they were doing this.
To say that was actual plot, is kind of BS. It's not an up and front plot like them dating Mako was. If you really think the two are the same, don't know what to say. But they weren't.
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(12-20-2014, 12:07 AM)
Willow skinned some dude for Tara and even flirted with Fred a bit on Angel. Her being gay is quite canon.Originally Posted by BKatastrophe
I equate Korrasami to Willow from Buffy. Granted, I think Willow and Oz will be forever, but that's because I like Oz more than Tara and Kennedy.
Either way, I didn't think it was forced at all. Just kind of eh. Like "oh it's a thing now."
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(12-20-2014, 12:07 AM)
Personally, I don't mind if people find it jarring. If it challenges the audience to rethink their assumptions, then I think that's a good thing.
I've only ever been in romantic relationships with men. But if you were to assume that I was heterosexual, you would be dead wrong.
I've only ever been in romantic relationships with men. But if you were to assume that I was heterosexual, you would be dead wrong.
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(12-20-2014, 12:07 AM)
Sure. But you really can't understand why some people would find this jarring?That was the genius of it, the thing that makes it so much better than the other romances in the show. Subtlety. I think they had to do it that way, because everyone knows how sensitive the american public is to homosexuality, but it worked out pretty well. The progress felt very natural. Lovers are also friends, you know. American media are just terrible at this with these love on first sight and focus on sexual attraction thing.
Lol I guess this whole discussion is stupid. Because I don't care either. Let people think it's forced. The romance itself actually had more depth then anything else. Actually felt organic and more real then most romance in shows.Personally, I don't mind if people find it jarring. If it challenges the audience to rethink their assumptions, then I think that's a good thing.
I've only ever been in romantic relationships with men. But if you were to assume that I was heterosexual, you would be dead wrong.
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(12-20-2014, 12:09 AM)
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(12-20-2014, 12:09 AM)
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(12-20-2014, 12:10 AM)
Aang: straight
Korra: bisexual
Should there be another Avatar series featuring the next earthbending avatar, he/she should be gay. Cover the whole Kinsey Scale.
Korra: bisexual
Should there be another Avatar series featuring the next earthbending avatar, he/she should be gay. Cover the whole Kinsey Scale.
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(12-20-2014, 12:10 AM)
lol I think the interpretation that they're just friends is even worse. Then it's just Korra and Asami being like "Eh, fuck all our other friends and Team Avatar, lets get out of here"Is it wrong that I just interpreted the ending as two very close friends going on a vacation/adventure together? I didn't see anything about sexuality until I went online and apparently Korra and Asami are together. I'm not against it, I just didn't see it.
I don't see sexual intent in human expression on a day to day basis anyway.
It also makes Korra look like a turbo bitch since Mako pretty much pledges his loyalty to her like "I'll follow you into battle no matter what and always have your back," and Korra's just like "lel okie, imma go hang out with my bff who didn't just get mutilated helping me, loser. CYA"
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(12-20-2014, 12:11 AM)
Lol sounds like my last love interest.Originally Posted by Mr Fahrenheit
lol I think the interpretation that they're just friends is even worse. Then it's just Korra and Asami being like "Eh, fuck all our other friends and Team Avatar, lets get out of here"
It also makes Korra look like a turbo bitch since Mako pretty much pledges his loyalty to her like "I'll follow you into battle no matter what and always have your back," and Korra's just like "lel okie, imma go hang out with my bff who didn't just get mutilated helping me, loser. CYA"
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(12-20-2014, 12:12 AM)
Mako really is George Constanza of the avatar worldOriginally Posted by Mr Fahrenheit
lol I think the interpretation that they're just friends is even worse. Then it's just Korra and Asami being like "Eh, fuck all our other friends and Team Avatar, lets get out of here"
It also makes Korra look like a turbo bitch since Mako pretty much pledges his loyalty to her like "I'll follow you into battle no matter what and always have your back," and Korra's just like "lel okie, imma go hang out with my bff who didn't just get mutilated helping me, loser. CYA"
Master Cancer Bender
(12-20-2014, 12:14 AM)
Just nvm. lol honestly.Now you lost me.
Fact is: Korra + Asami was the second best relationship on the show. It had the more depth and felt more natural than most romances. I think because Bryke prob had to tip toe around it, they did the best they could. But a result of them tip toeing around, actually made the romance more realistic and organic.
If you as a viewer, aren't accepting of people being fluid, and are only informed by the plot we are shown, then maybe you found it jarring. But if you step back and look at the bigger picture, and are accepting of the fact that I. people can be Bi. II. People can discover their preference later. III. All along both characters knew they were bi.
Then it does make sense. No question.
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(12-20-2014, 12:14 AM)
Are you guys still arguing about Korrasami? The entire overall plot of this show is nonsense. You guys are arguing about nonsense.
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(12-20-2014, 12:14 AM)
Oh I'm not arguing that it was done waaaaaay fucking better. Because it totally was. I'm just saying, they also put a lot of emphasis on her feelings for Xander and Oz beforehand. I mean, Seasons 1&2 had a huge focus on her being attracted to Xander, and then dealing with the rejection. Seasons 2&3 were solely about her getting with Oz and over Xander. Even going so far as to have her and Xander have a short fling together. Season 4 finally focused just on her and Oz, and then getting with Tara.Originally Posted by JadedWriter
Willow skinned some dude for Tara and even flirted with Fred a bit on Angel. Her being gay is quite canon.
It was done shitloads better, but very similar to the MaKorrAsami love triangle, her sexuality towards males was very front and center. Done significantly better, but still central.
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(12-20-2014, 12:15 AM)
I just want them to make a show where the Avatar is the villain. Do it.
Master Cancer Bender
(12-20-2014, 12:16 AM)
You know, sometimes you get into random arguments over technical bullshit. At least this ended in a page and a half, as opposed to 4 pages with massive essays written on it.Are you guys still arguing about Korrasami? The entire overall plot of this show is nonsense. You guys are arguing about nonsense.
LolThe A:TLA/TLOK universe and all the people in it don't even exist.
What are we doing?
But thing is, I think people can really connect to these characters. They can really matter. I imagine, there are a lot of people that really cared about Korra. Who related to Korra. Who looked up to Korra. Conversely, so many gay people have to deal with shaming and no representation in media. I imagine that ending meant a lot to them.
So I mean, while they aren't real people, it can have a big impact (not that you weren't saying that). I'm just kind of talking out loud.
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(12-20-2014, 12:17 AM)
Yeah, no I think its pretty easy to miss those hints.They weren't a big part of the plot like Mako's relationship was. The fun thing imo about shipping is looking for little hints and dragging them out into bigger things. The relationship could've also been looked at as Korra finding a girl friend which she never had before. Which makes the more romance like ending seem much more jarring since what you consider hints are so easily missed.But we saw hints before the last episode, it was pretty difficult to miss it, since the Korrasami fans jumped at every single one of them. It was made for me, when Korra informed us that she only could really talk with Asami over the course of her healing days, combined with the other hints we had about the two of them. And the blush killed if of course.It's not wrong. I think it made on purpose that way, that both explanations are valid. Like the spinning top in Inception.
Also to this day that spinning top drives me bonkers.
But your a person and its often bad to make assumptions about people. Not so much about fictional characters where the creators should be consistent or have plot to establish things etc.Personally, I don't mind if people find it jarring. If it challenges the audience to rethink their assumptions, then I think that's a good thing.
I've only ever been in romantic relationships with men. But if you were to assume that I was heterosexual, you would be dead wrong.
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(12-20-2014, 12:17 AM)
Yeah true it transitioned way better and felt less jarring on Buffy. Several episodes were dedicated to Willow and her evevolving sexuality. Korra just seemed like wham now I'm bi.Originally Posted by BKatastrophe
Oh I'm not arguing that it was done waaaaaay fucking better. Because it totally was. I'm just saying, they also put a lot of emphasis on her feelings for Xander and Oz beforehand. I mean, Seasons 1&2 had a huge focus on her being attracted to Xander, and then dealing with the rejection. Seasons 2&3 were solely about her getting with Oz and over Xander. Even going so far as to have her and Xander have a short fling together. Season 4 finally focused just on her and Oz, and then getting with Tara.
It was done shitloads better, but very similar to the MaKorrAsami love triangle, her sexuality towards males was very front and center. Done significantly better, but still central.
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(12-20-2014, 12:18 AM)
If people were not discussion about nonsense and fictional things, the world would be very silent.Are you guys still arguing about Korrasami? The entire overall plot of this show is nonsense. You guys are arguing about nonsense.
Yeah, as I said, I think it was supposed be relatively easy be missed and be able to be interpreted two ways. They still have a scared network to please. So it could be easily be both ways, just friends or lovers. And that works pretty well. It's something for everyone and it works well both ways.Yeah, no I think its pretty easy to miss those hints.They weren't a big part of the plot like Mako's relationship was. The fun thing imo about shipping is looking for little hints and dragging them out into bigger things. The relationship could've also been looked at as Korra finding a girl friend which she never had before. Which makes the more romance like ending seem much more jarring since what you consider hints are so easily missed.
Also to this day that spinning top drives me bonkers.
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(12-20-2014, 12:18 AM)
Have you never felt the need to just get the hell out of wherever you are? That's what I related to, the desperate necessity of getting away. Maybe Mako wouldn't have gone? Maybe he would have asked for a couple of days to get ready? Korra saw an opportunity to go on a random road trip with someone very dear to her and took it. To me that isn't weird at all.Originally Posted by Mr Fahrenheit
lol I think the interpretation that they're just friends is even worse. Then it's just Korra and Asami being like "Eh, fuck all our other friends and Team Avatar, lets get out of here"
It also makes Korra look like a turbo bitch since Mako pretty much pledges his loyalty to her like "I'll follow you into battle no matter what and always have your back," and Korra's just like "lel okie, imma go hang out with my bff who didn't just get mutilated helping me, loser. CYA"
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(12-20-2014, 12:18 AM)
Kuvira lost. Time to move on.Kuvira wasn't nonsense.
Korra is in its own category of "fiction". The one where you ignore anything resembling a plot and enjoy people throwing rocks at each other.If people were not discussion about nonsense and fictional things, the world would be very silent.
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(12-20-2014, 12:19 AM)
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(12-20-2014, 12:20 AM)
Everyone is just super hot right now. The finale did just come put awhile ago.Nooooo.
Honestly, it wasn't even worth arguing over. Like legit, I agree with people. I was just trying to say I understand where some were coming from. But it just turned into a bunch of BS. Never again.
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(12-20-2014, 12:21 AM)
Sounds like my kind of argument.Nooooo.
Honestly, it wasn't even worth arguing over. Like legit, I agree with people. I was just trying to say I understand where some were coming from. But it just turned into a bunch of BS. Never again.
I agree with where you were coming from and what you were trying to say