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Why not let the Southern US be its own country?
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Admiral Woofington
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but his gut says yes. You gotta trust your gut
PantherLotus
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Wait someone rescue me from FL before you do this. The south technically stops near Orlando so I'm not a lost soul and I deserve to be saved.
Whoah, the antiquated low population counties are red counties
Pinko Marx
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This thread is almost almost as bad as that "Why don't we just nuke the middle east?" thread.
benjipwns
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You raise a good point, why don't we just nuke all the states south of the Mason-Dixon line into glass?
Admiral Woofington
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PantherLotus
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punchline to the map: it ain't just the South, fellas.
we didn't start the fire, but we sure didn't keep the rest of the country from burning either.
Wait,wait, wait, I'm still south of the Mason-Dixon. i didn't agree to this.
ramuh
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Breaking up the union in today's age and even this past 100 years doesn't make an sense. If this was an article right post Civil War, then ya there could be conversations. But I don't think even then that anyone wanted to go through the whole secede thing again.
But going back to current times it doesn't make economic sense at all. We (all Amercians) would suffer from it. It's not as simple as hey lets do our own country or hey let separate who cares? We are all dependent on each other and that's what makes our economy and country resilient and strong.
But going back to current times it doesn't make economic sense at all. We (all Amercians) would suffer from it. It's not as simple as hey lets do our own country or hey let separate who cares? We are all dependent on each other and that's what makes our economy and country resilient and strong.
benjipwns
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Admiral Woofington
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Be over quick? You're god damn right. Somebody get me the stats of how many civilians own guns in the south vs the north.
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smokeandmirrors
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more like a humorously piquant discussion thread with lots of sarcasm, irony, and passive aggression.
benjipwns
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Usually counties aren't changed after each census so it's hard to gerrymander them.
Ninja Scooter
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Aren't most of the southern states like...broke?
PantherLotus
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This is a fair and fantastic point. I think the overall point -- that "the south" is basically everywhere that is 15-20 miles from a metropolis is undeniable, though. So attempting some sort of allowed/encouraged secession could get really ugly for the north, too, when they realize half of what they still have -- everything between cities, basically -- is still an issue.
Except the Mississippi delta
Princess Viola
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can south florida stay in the union tho
pls we're northern down here
pls we're northern down here
Xyrmellon
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can south florida stay in the union tho
pls we're northern down here
Miami ain't all south Florida my friend, you ever been to Punta Gorda or Lake Placid?
nah, just 13%.
dr3upmushroom
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Sure why not, seems to be working well with the Pakistan/India relationship.
We can call the North Commie Land, and the south Wally World!
We can call the North Commie Land, and the south Wally World!
Hahaha, for reals? Got a link to this?
AnathemicOne
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Uhhh no? California has the largest number of bases out of any other state, not to mention the largest base in the country IE Camp Pendleton.
Yeah, this is pretty much what I took away from this thread too.
Y'all bunch of morons. Please feel bad about yourselves and open up a book sometime =\
Is that by population or actual area?
It IS quite ironic that the OP talks about secessionists and then advocates states to secede.
ErasureAcer
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While the South does contribute to the economy they're also the ones sucking money from the North. They hate Government wealth redistribution(the Republicans) but the numbers I've seen show many Southern states get a shit ton more money back from the Feds than they give into the system. Please, correct me if I'm wrong though..maybe things have changed since that one chart I saw(on GAF I believe). The South would disintegrate without the support of the strong Federal Government from an economic point of view...then there's all the social factors as well. It'd be a nightmare. Can you imagine The South writing up some new Bill of Rights for their new country? Good: God, Guns. Bad: Gays. The end.
Several northern states are doing the same slick.
benjipwns
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No, I'm pretty sure it just goes to churches, Waffle Houses and Krystals. And like, racist NRA art or something.
Not to mention oil and agricultural subsidies.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I don't understand why it's frowned upon to be upfront about uncertainty. Maybe that statement was interpreted as "facts be damned, I believe what I want" but that's not at all what I'm saying.
I doubt that. I haven't even mentioned slavery in this thread. (Until now, anyway)
Angelus Errare
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Getting? It was ridiculous upon creation.
Laieon
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I for one feel like we could put our money to better use by investing in Bluebell and Whataburger.
Owed T'Alex
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That's a pretty dismissive response. My quick phone research tells me that Virginia is nothing to shake a stick at in terms of military concentration. I couldn't quickly find a "South/Non-South" military comparison, so I don't really know.
Anyway, I agree with people who've pointed more to an urban/non-urban divide.
Are you just oblivious that just about every reply to this thread has called you on how silly this sounds?
I would have at least admitted it if it were my thread.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Yes, it sounds silly. No doubt about it. Obviously it's an extreme and unrealistic idea. I wish more replies would've given serious responses like africanus and a couple others did for the sake of discussion, but I guess a lot of folks felt the premise wasn't worth taking seriously, which is fine. *shrug*
Because he is being dismissive. The amount of military bases in Florida and Texas is staggering.
PantherLotus
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The issue is that you don't quite understand the stated issue (cultural feet-dragging) isn't really a Mason-Dixon Line issue, at least not anymore thanks to the homogenization of conservatism post-Reagan. And by offering a potential solution -- letting the confederate states secede -- you show that you neither understand the current political culture nor the very real and devastating impact their removal from the union would have on basically every phase of American life. It's not just "ok bye we don't have to listen to you anymore," it's everything from the economic powerhouses of Georgia, Texas, and Florida, to the importance of Gulf access, control of the Atlantic, spheres of influence in central and South America, and endless other issues that come from splitting up the most powerful superpower in the history of the world.
No, you can't offer to split that superpower up because a bunch of conservatives are holding back social change. That anyone responded with a reasonable explanation why it couldn't work is a credit to them.
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