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Falk · Jun 8, 2015

dark10x said:
Yeah, when you put it like that, it's super depressing. These types of things are just too lucrative for companies to pass up.

This is also how preservation dies. This is not a game that will last. 20 years from now will it even be possible to play? Not that any companies actually care about that.

I would want to think that in 20 years time, some form of emulation and community enabled servers for the current gen/crop of mobile games would have taken form and critical mass reached for some titles.

If you're thinking about official servers for particular games, however, the demise of online infrastructure locking out a gaming experience is neither new nor specific to the mobile platform. Many PC and console games have pretty much been lost to the ether with server plugs being pulled.

(On PC less so, since if there's a dedicated community, someone inadvertently will figure it out - open platform and all that)

dark10x · Jun 8, 2015

Falk said:
I would want to think that in 20 years time, some form of emulation and community enabled servers for the current gen/crop of mobile games would have taken form and critical mass reached for some titles.

If you're thinking about official servers for particular games, however, the demise of online infrastructure locking out a gaming experience is neither new nor specific to the mobile platform. Many PC and console games have pretty much been lost to the ether with server plugs being pulled.

(On PC less so, since if there's a dedicated community, someone inadvertently will figure it out - open platform and all that)

The games lost to time are almost entirely of the MMO variety. I could imagine a scenario when it becomes very difficult to access older mobile titles whether they're single or multiplayer.

Kitoro · Jun 8, 2015

Does it have a satisfying gacha system, friends list, co-op, and many other social elements and leaderboard events with prizes? If not, it won't stay up there for long.

Pennywise83 · Jun 12, 2015

Two things:

The game has apparently exceeded 1 million downloads - I read the news somewhere but now I cannot find it anymore. As we know, downloads are meaningless as long as the game is free and what matters is how people spend on micro-transactions.
After a few days almost at the top of the grossing chart, Mobius has been steadily decreasing; now it's 15th on iPhone, and 8th on iPad (where it kept grossing better).

Falk · Jun 12, 2015

Dat dip. Completely makes sense that it'd do better on iPad.

Wonder where it's gonna settle.

Pennywise83 · Jun 12, 2015

We'll see. Sure it's worrying.

Arzehn · Jun 12, 2015

Steep drop to 23rd... better update that thread title.

Jk... there's an event happening starting tomorrow (today) which should help out.

June 13th-19th - login for bonus item
June 15th-28th - some dungeon campaign

http://www.jp.square-enix.com/company/ja/news/2015/html/01e92017e9be99c4bd4f2aa15d24f024.html

But still, this might not be the "hit" SE was hoping for.

Pennywise83 · Jun 13, 2015

Wow, what a steep drop indeed. It seems that being a more traditional jRPG, it had early adopters akin to day-one purchasers and now it is slowly fading. Let's how it's performing in a month or so.

duckroll · Jun 13, 2015

I think the biggest problem is that they launched with just a single story chapter, and most players who are likely to be spending money on the game would have powered through it in a day or two. They'll need to keep pace with players if they don't want people losing interest quickly.

Pennywise83 · Jun 13, 2015

Weird, because the top in-app purchases are those values 1200 and 2300 yen.

Relaxed Muscle · Jun 13, 2015

duckroll said:
I think the biggest problem is that they launched with just a single story chapter, and most players who are likely to be spending money on the game would have powered through it in a day or two. They'll need to keep pace with players if they don't want people losing interest quickly.

I guess it's an inherent problem with the higher production values. You can't churn out content as fast as...Terra Battle and similar games.

duckroll · Jun 13, 2015

Relaxed Muscle said:
I guess it's an inherent problem with the higher production values. You can't churn out content as fast as...Terra Battle and similar games.

I don't think that's a good comparison. Terra Battle is super duper slow at churning out new content. The difference is that they launched the game with 30 full chapters and an ending.

Deleted member 17706 · Jun 13, 2015

I've been playing it for a few minutes a day since launch. Haven't spent any money, of course.

It's got a really slick presentation and the battle system is pretty fun.

With that said, I think F2P stuff just isn't for me. All of the associated elements like stamina bars that recover on a timer, needing to spend stamina to access a level, daily login bonuses, cards and the gambling element associated with them, crafting cards together, social hooks with renting cards from other players, etc. It all comes together to be a pretty major turn off. You can't help but feel that they spent more time coming up with ways to addict the player than actually making a compelling gaming experience.

Pennywise83 · Jun 13, 2015

Zefah said:
I've been playing it for a few minutes a day since launch. Haven't spent any money, of course.

It's got a really slick presentation and the battle system is pretty fun.

With that said, I think F2P stuff just isn't for me. All of the associated elements like stamina bars that recover on a timer, needing to spend stamina to access a level, daily login bonuses, cards and the gambling element associated with them, crafting cards together, social hooks with renting cards from other players, etc. It all comes together to be a pretty major turn off. You can't help but feel that they spent more time coming up with ways to addict the player than actually making a compelling gaming experience.

That's how it is when you give a game for free and you are not already an established reality in the market (e.g. some MOBAs).

Relaxed Muscle · Jun 13, 2015

duckroll said:
I don't think that's a good comparison. Terra Battle is super duper slow at churning out new content. The difference is that they launched the game with 30 full chapters and an ending.

Well, I see is not a good comparison, but I was referring to games with considerably lower production values, change Terra Battle to any F2P RPG that can slap a few new drawings, maybe some sptrites, some text, release it and call it a day.

PixyJunket · Jun 13, 2015

So what's the F2P hook in this one? More gacha/capsule?

saher · Jun 13, 2015

Well deserved,i think its a better game than XIII-2 and LR. Had to stop because it was japanese.

Felessan · Jun 13, 2015

Slowdown is expected as initial rush (in both players and in-app purchases) already done, game itself does not really required constant investments. Now it's all down to number of active players - whether they will be able expand userbase (and thus drive revenue up) or not.

duckroll said:
I don't think that's a good comparison. Terra Battle is super duper slow at churning out new content. The difference is that they launched the game with 30 full chapters and an ending.

Mobius have extra big dungeon (in two difficulties) that itself will take quite a lot of time to finish. Terra Battle on other hand have major drawback - there no "extra hard" content and thus difficulty ceiling is rather low and as a result not much to do after storyline was completed.

Zefah said:
With that said, I think F2P stuff just isn't for me. All of the associated elements like stamina bars that recover on a timer, needing to spend stamina to access a level, daily login bonuses, cards and the gambling element associated with them, crafting cards together, social hooks with renting cards from other players, etc. It all comes together to be a pretty major turn off. You can't help but feel that they spent more time coming up with ways to addict the player than actually making a compelling gaming experience.

You are new to F2P?
Mobius invented nothing new, this stuff is in almost every other f2p game now. SE just copy-paste typical approach to monetization making it as standard as possible.

Deleted member 17706 · Jun 13, 2015

Felessan said:
You are new to F2P?
Mobius invented nothing new, this stuff is in almost every other f2p game now. SE just copy-paste typical approach to monetization making it as standard as possible.

Don't see how it being standard has anything to do with what I said.

I'm definitely not new to F2P, but this kind of crap bothers me in every game I try, so I never get very far. The constant push to get players to spend money is just tremendously off-putting.

Felessan · Jun 13, 2015

Zefah said:
Don't see how it being standard has anything to do with what I said.
I'm definitely not new to F2P, but this kind of crap bothers me in every game I try, so I never get very far. The constant push to get players to spend money is just tremendously off-putting.

It's related to the part -
You can't help but feel that they spent more time coming up with ways to addict the player than actually making a compelling gaming experience.
The way f2p stuff implemented - SE clearly doesn't bothered much to invent something or even put some extra efforts into thinking how-to monetize a game. They just reused standard stuff, they even used it before themselves (FFRK have very similar payment structure).

Mobius is quite friendly by F2P standards, you don't really need to constantly spend money, and game itself is not pushing you enough to have such incentive. You need somehow obtain a good initial setup and preferably non-starter class, but after that there no real reason to spend money.

Deleted member 17706 · Jun 14, 2015

Felessan said:
It's related to the part -
You can't help but feel that they spent more time coming up with ways to addict the player than actually making a compelling gaming experience.
The way f2p stuff implemented - SE clearly doesn't bothered much to invent something or even put some extra efforts into thinking how-to monetize a game. They just reused standard stuff, they even used it before themselves (FFRK have very similar payment structure).

Mobius is quite friendly by F2P standards, you don't really need to constantly spend money, and game itself is not pushing you enough to have such incentive. You need somehow obtain a good initial setup and preferably non-starter class, but after that there no real reason to spend money.

The fact that this is considered friendly by F2P standards really goes to show why there is such a stigma, as was discussed in that other thread.

Yes, the business model they use is more or less lifted from other games, but that doesn't change that it feels like they focused more on that end than the actual game. Yes, that's subjective, I know. Anyway, I didn't mean to imply that they tried to come up with a new business model or anything.

Canis lupus · Jul 1, 2015

Another dud. Not even 4 weeks and the soopa doopa title will be out of the top 100

Asd202 said:
Well now if XV will underperform we can say bye bye to home console FF.

Walpurgis · Jul 1, 2015

Canis lupus said:
Another dud. Not even 4 weeks and the soopa doopa title will be out of the top 100

zero shift · Jul 1, 2015

So does this game play similar to the console Final Fantasy or is it mobilized to hell like say Infinity Blade.

Falk · Jul 1, 2015

Canis lupus said:
Another dud. Not even 4 weeks and the soopa doopa title will be out of the top 100

Man, duckroll was right on the money. It needs more content for the whales to whale on.

wmlk · Jul 1, 2015

With more impressive technical games like these, it's probably more difficult and time consuming to make and release good content so that more people can come back to the game.

Edge_Maverick · Jul 1, 2015

It seems the 2nd chapter is available today. Plus a side story is coming on July 6th.

http://www.finalfantasy.jp/mobius/i...a99.html?_ga=1.44360420.1306517805.1434533602

duckroll · Jul 1, 2015

Falk said:
Man, duckroll was right on the money. It needs more content for the whales to whale on.

I decided to check if they had released new content yet, and wow, how timely, S-E has finally updated the game!

http://www.finalfantasy.jp/mobius/i...a99.html?_ga=1.94065373.1173233030.1427895843

Chapter 2 is out! They'll also be adding a new Sidestory next week. This big new update also includes new cards, new jobs, etc. We'll see if it helps at all. The game sure needs it.

Koozek · Jul 7, 2015

Here's the one month anniversary stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBlTE7ygKbo

So, anything new on its success so far? Do they say something about that in this video?

theMrCravens · Jul 31, 2015

Couldn't find another suitable Mobius thread, so bumping this.

Seems their second big content patch hits tomorrow.:
http://www.finalfantasy.jp/mobius/information/2015/07/24/4f66aa3476d15dcf6eadc6bdeb8a32894ebc5ac3.html

Hopefully this got enough content now to entice NA localization.

Koozek · Aug 18, 2015

New livestream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQ-RUvA_PNk

Does anybody know how it's doing, right now?

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