RealityCheque
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It's Kojima showing his regret. The unlockable costume is an apology from him for using a (admittedly very good) videogame to bring his fap fantasies to life.
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MGSV Mod Update: You can finally give Quiet proper clothing.
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It's Kojima showing his regret. The unlockable costume is an apology from him for using a (admittedly very good) videogame to bring his fap fantasies to life.
BibiMaghoo
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It's really quite heartening to see so many people opposed to this. Go back 10 years or more, and far less people would have had any comment. I think that shows a maturing of video games as a media, which I fully support. There can always be a place for this kind of stuff, but not thrown into everything else. If I buy a mature themed game, I don't want or expect immature ass shots thrown in my face, because it lowers the tone and subsequent quality of the game. Kojima has done such things before, but never to this extent. There is a world of difference between a cheeky locker poster Snake can 'kiss' by peeking out, and a mostly naked woman sticking her tits in the characters face constantly for it's own purpose.
To those that defend the orignal costume, you are not wrong to do so, I think you are just in the minority of what you want from such a game. It's like people that watch teen slasher flicks instead of turning on a porno. You want one thing, but you'll take it in others spread around your media. Try and understand why others do not want that spread.
To those that defend the orignal costume, you are not wrong to do so, I think you are just in the minority of what you want from such a game. It's like people that watch teen slasher flicks instead of turning on a porno. You want one thing, but you'll take it in others spread around your media. Try and understand why others do not want that spread.
Phoenix944
Member
Yeees! I won't be ashamed of myself when playing the game with Quiet. All my friend will stop treating me like some kind of sick pervert!
Best news ever.
Best news ever.
Finale Fireworker
Member
I thought so! But, like everything, it has a lot of fans who also take it 100% seriously. You can find them on Tumblr, of all places. It's not AoT, but there are absolutely people in droves who praise its progressive deconstruction of the social construction that is "wearing clothes."
Yes. I have been waiting years. My entire purpose for joining GAF was posting that Hark a Vagrant comic. I have grown old, and shrewd, and have had no pleasures or joys in my long waiting. Then, finally, after eleven pages, I determined this thread was the opportunity I was waiting for.
Now, I can die---[*fades*]
poodaddy
Member
Excellent, logical and concise. Couldn't of put it better myself. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the female body, but it's tasteless to inject smut into a game that deals with heavy war oriented themes.
captainpat
Member
Yeaaaaa sure dude. You probably found at most 12 people and now that's the entire fandom for you.
Finale Fireworker... had a hard life. He needs some time to rest.
Did you miss Policenauts, MGS1, 3, 4 and Peace Walker? If this was worse, we'd be able to zoom in the camera, snap photos and touch.
I can see people like her character and backstory, but her design really doesn't seem to be built on a story, but rather with the intent of sexualization.
If she really wasn't meant to be a character to oogled at, the game wouldn't put so much emphasis on her features in literally every cutscene she appears in where she isn't optionally there due to being the current buddy. And considering she has an interesting story attached to her, the core issue is the way the game treats her in cutscenes and such. It seems odd, out of place compared to the rest of the game, and speaks pages on why she was designed to look like that.
Sure this mod wouldn't work canon wise, just as much as any of her other alternative costumes, but at least it'll help by removing the design and giving people a better chance to appreciate what's good about Quiet with the game having a harder time sexualizing her.
If she really wasn't meant to be a character to oogled at, the game wouldn't put so much emphasis on her features in literally every cutscene she appears in where she isn't optionally there due to being the current buddy. And considering she has an interesting story attached to her, the core issue is the way the game treats her in cutscenes and such. It seems odd, out of place compared to the rest of the game, and speaks pages on why she was designed to look like that.
Sure this mod wouldn't work canon wise, just as much as any of her other alternative costumes, but at least it'll help by removing the design and giving people a better chance to appreciate what's good about Quiet with the game having a harder time sexualizing her.
This will be difficult to convey without sounding like an ass, but I think that in a vacuum, free of social context, Quiet has an excellent design. The shape design is wonderful (and I mean "shape" in purely aesthetic terms without sexual implications), the way she stands out from all other characters emphasizes that she is mysterious, and being so exposed shows how confident and skillful she is (in the same way that she uses a laser sight even though she doesn't need it).
Of course, we don't live in a vacuum, and it's not really an acceptable design by today's social standards. The story excuse for it is not legitimate - her
was blatantly written as nothing more than an excuse to strip her down.
Of course, we don't live in a vacuum, and it's not really an acceptable design by today's social standards. The story excuse for it is not legitimate - her
needing to breathe through her skin
BibiMaghoo
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I have never played Policenauts. I have played MGS 1- 4 and about half of peacewalker. There is nothing in MGS 1-4 that compares to this, but certainly there are things that are a step down, and are generally minor things, secret things or in jest.
Quiet is not in jest. Nor is she a 2 minute joke, nor is she a poster, nor is she a spy seducing a character for major plot reasons. I am to understand that the end of PW had a half naked child in it, and even going back to the start of the game, people took issue with the xray underwear shot of a little girl, and rightly so. The more it occurs and the higher level it reaches, the more it becomes unquestionably wank fodder, and from everything so far, that is all quiet is. It damages the game, and that is not good for anyone, fans of it or not.
Even GZ had immensely questionable content, that was as shockingly out of place as it was perverse, and still none of these things excuse each other, or justify the latter, and I think that is what people saying such things miss. Just because there were some pervy things in older games, does not justify stepping that up each time a new game comes out. Did anyone buy PW thinking "great I can get panty shots in xray of a little girl?" did anyone buy Mgs 4 thinking "cool, I can whip a camera out to get model shots of bosses?" The answer for the vast majority would be no. I would like to say that the games would have not just been of equal quality, but better without their inclusion at all.
If I play a game with a woman character with a bit of cleaveage and am reasonably ok with that design, then play the sequal and she has less clothes, then play the third game and she has no clothes at all, that doesn't make the latter acceptible because of the first step on that ladder. It tarnishes them all. It tarnishes the medium, and it tarnishes you as a gamer, because this is what you are being told you want in your games, like it or not.
Juxo
Member
Crappy IQ ,but you get the picture.
This is infinitely better than her joke of an "outfit".
But how will she breathe?? This also makes all the lingering breast closeups completely unnecessary now! Kojima will be turning in his gravure...
Zombegoast
Member
I'm might be the only one who doesn't care about Quiet's design. Compared to the previous games, she is tamed compared to the Beauty and the Beast.
All she does is show her butt. If you look at her.
All she does is show her butt. If you look at her.
John Caboose
Member
Excellent post. Especially bolded.
MGS4 is full of this kind of shit. Including Snake dropping a pen to look up the skirt of a female character having a "serious" monologue. As previously mentioned, it's as if this crap was taken straight from the mind of an immature 12-year old boy.
A few minutes worth of Quiet cutscenes vs all that footage of the camera jumping up Naomis tits, touching in Policenauts, zooming in 3 and dating in Peace Walker. Maybe you should play them again.
eh.
"This is stupid, it goes completely against her character. She needs her skin to be uncovered to breathe!"
It's really something that her uniform icon is her tits.
Zombegoast
Member
"Gaming has changed."
SuperAngelo64
Banned
Great, 'acceptable and modern' or whatever.
Now can someone just please mod her Sniper Wolf outfit to have brown hair? It's a cool outfit but Quiet looks weird as a blonde with green lips.
Now can someone just please mod her Sniper Wolf outfit to have brown hair? It's a cool outfit but Quiet looks weird as a blonde with green lips.
Her husband should totally tell her how she should feel and think. Don't listen to her thoughts and feelings. That kind of thing always makes for a great relationship.
All those random ass and boob shoots. They represent a thematic post-modern allegorical juxtaposition of the ironic duality of her character maaaannnnn. Any woman should understand that.
/s
It's really about the contexts in which this stuff appears imho and the frequency (and gender imbalance) when it does
Patrick S.
Banned
Nice. So, where's the nude mod?
You have to be a full on perv game like Senran Kagura or its unacceptable?
Stallion Dan
Member
But we, the players are fullfilling the title of Big Boss
, wasn't that the point of the story, that anyone could fill his shoes?
/justified.
BibiMaghoo
Member
No, you buy and be happy with the things you want in your games, but equally be happy for those that do not share such things, and understand that it's pervasion throughout games, even when irrelevant, is not a good thing in general.
As an example, I have no problem with Bayo existing, but have an issue with characters shooting lasers from their vag as a gaming mechanic, should it be shared across the industry. I think it's telling also that people who do not like the costume have an understanding for those that do, but this is lesser the other way around. Those who want gratituous nudity in their unrelated games have a greater issue with those that do not.
Why is that I wonder?
Mr Fahrenheit
Member
It's just an unlockable costume man, do you not understand how they work? You can also paint snake solid silver and have him ride a charred zombie unicorn thing, they don't have have much to do with the story.
agreed. I am glad you added the qualification though, because we would not be affected by one or two
superseohyun
Member
no nude mod yet?
lol as if it even need one
BibiMaghoo
Member
Of course, it's making it the norm that is an issue, as I said there is always place for such things, but putting it in everything denies that choice to the user. It normalises something which is not acceptable to be normalised, and this is something games have been struggling with for some time. This very thread is evidence of progression, and people should be pleased with that view I think, even if not sharing it in this example. Who here does not want gaming to be taken more seriously as a medium? I hope the answer is no one.
Those that want it should absolutely be able to have it, but catering all games to match that is a costly mistake.
Honestly, I think even in MGSV there's nothing inherently wrong with quiet per say as a pure design element. It's stuff like kojima saying we would be ashamed of our words and deeds but failing to deliver that more irks me, or the fact that she's pretty much the only woman in the entire game, or that she does the seat stuff for no apparent reason, etc
I don't have a huge problem with Quiet's outfit in general. The camera is the real issue, because it makes me do things I wouldn't do, and that Snake wouldn't do. If I was playing as a sleazy MC, sure linger the camera, that makes sense. But in this game it does not work at all and is purely the creator of the game allowing his personal indulgences to taint his work.
Finale Fireworker
Member
I never said that! (Unless you're being sarcastic?)
You misunderstand me. I said, like all things, there are fans who take it too seriously. Do I know how many? Of course not.
I'm merely acknowledging instances I have seen in my internetly travels. There are plenty of people, in every fandom, who seek ways to elevate the things they love into things they are not. Especially teenagers on the cusp of youthful enthusiasm and a more matured sense scrutiny.
I, in no way, meant to make any blanket statements about the entire audience. Just because I said "a lot" doesn't mean I mean "most," you know?
Spazznid
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FranXico
Member
That tweet was not wise on his part at all. He should have just owned up to his design choices and openly admitted that Quiet was half naked because he likes that, period.
As if the excessive vulgar camera angles and animations the game features weren't juvenile enough, he painted an even poorer image of himself with that BS. There really was nothing to gain with either. Controversy for the sake of controversy serves no purpose.
Gratuitous nudity aside, Quiet actually is an interesting character. I also wish more people would care more about that than her nudity, to be honest. At this point, I get the feeling that the disproportionate outrage some people express over this is just feeding his ego.
Spring-Loaded
Member
If people are so vocal about the poor outfit design & camera, it's probably because they do care about her character. If it was just a throwaway character with nothing interesting about them, fewer people would care.
They care less about the character and more about the fact that they have to look at her when on missions
This mod is way more important than anything else thats ever happened on this site, so I don't see why it wouldn't deserve its own thread.
Snake's uniform is represented by his chest, as well
poodaddy
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Retromelon
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Congratulations neogaf nerdHey sweet they quoted me! I made it
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